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Car Forum / Chrysler Cars / December 2004Jeep VS others
I'm on a quest to find other like minded people who race their Jeeps. I have a 1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.9l with some mods, (intake, PCM, headers) but no major power adders like NOS or a supercharger. The Jeep with the 360 and awd makes for a great vehicle in an 1/8 mile race. After quite a bit of Drag strip experience here are some interesting results Jeep VS Chevy Silverado SS Jeep Wins Jeep VS Dodge RAM 1500 Hemi Jeep Wins Jeep VS Ford F150 Harley Davidson Jeep Wins Jeep VS Ford Mustang GT 4.6 Jeep Wins (if mustang is mostly stock) Jeep VS Chevy Camaro LS1 LS1 always wins (unless it is a bad driver) Jeep VS Nissan 350z Jeep Wins Jeep VS Corvette Corvette wins Jeep VS BMW Z3 2.8 Jeep Wins Jeep VS WRX WRX Wins Jeep VS Acura RSX Jeep Wins Jeep VS Toyota Celica Jeep Wins Jeep VS Ford Lightning Lightning Wins Jeep VS Pontiac GTP Jeep Wins So that is just a quick list of actual Jeep VS results from my experience at the track. I have some Jeep VS experiences on the street but street racings aren't as quantifiable as Jeep VS races on a drag strip. I run a 9.2 in the 1/8 with a 60ft time around 2.01. 0-60 is under 6 seconds. Does anyone else have any good Jeep VS experiences or know of a good place to discuss Jeep VS experiences? The driver of that 350z sucks a.s. Kinda surprised you couldn't beat a stock WRX but took the Celica. I've seen quite a few Celica/WRX races and never seen the WRX win (unless it's the STi)? Altho one of the fastest cars in my city is a souped up '01 Imprezza ...insanely fast. Still ...those are some impressive wins. How do you fare in the 1/4 mile tho?  Signaturegriffin '85 Jeep CJ-7 '97 Toyota Corolla SD > I'm on a quest to find other like minded people who race their Jeeps. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > seconds. Does anyone else have any good Jeep VS experiences or know > of a good place to discuss Jeep VS experiences? In an answer to the 1/4 run. I run a decent 14.4. A lot of the Jeep vs experiences would be different at a longer track. If anyone wants to have my Jeep VS their car on a road course. I would agree to it as long as they would then agree to an offroad course and maybe a towing segment. The list of vehicles that could beat a jeep in all those categorys is very small. Jeep VS Porsche Cayenne Turbo (probably, but $90,000?) Jeep VS ML55 AMG (maybe) Jeep VS BMW 4.8is (maybe) > The driver of that 350z sucks a.s. Kinda surprised you couldn't beat a stock > WRX but took the Celica. I've seen quite a few Celica/WRX races and never [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > seconds. Does anyone else have any good Jeep VS experiences or know > > of a good place to discuss Jeep VS experiences? On the road, I'd like to see you race a stock BMW M3 or M5. Those M5's are like lightning. What about an Escalade? No idea how fast they are stock, but they sure have alot of power. Then again ...that's a lot of vehicle to get moving. Signaturegriffin '85 Jeep CJ-7 '97 Toyota Corolla SD > In an answer to the 1/4 run. I run a decent 14.4. A lot of the Jeep > vs experiences would be different at a longer track. [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > > seconds. Does anyone else have any good Jeep VS experiences or know > > > of a good place to discuss Jeep VS experiences? I have had a couple of street runs against a new BMW M3, a friend has one. All The Jeep was able to do vs a M3 is jump in front until about 30mph and then the M3 starts to pass and then just pull away. It is in a different league. The M5 is very similar, if not faster. As far as an Escalade. I'm putting out more torque than the Caddy and weigh about 2000 lbs less. So Jeep beats the Escalade in any flavor. > On the road, I'd like to see you race a stock BMW M3 or M5. Those M5's are > like lightning. [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > > > seconds. Does anyone else have any good Jeep VS experiences or know > > > > of a good place to discuss Jeep VS experiences? Yup, I got absolutely killed by a modified M3. I had about an 1/8 mile headstart around a hairpin turn and lost so bad I still can't believe it. The most amazing aspect of that automobile is despite the fact the road was terrible, at like 80mph he had no problem staying completely on the inside lane. Simply an amazing automobile and definitely my dream car. And ya ...the M5 has alot more balls. Saw the first one in my city today, actually. Wow! Signaturegriffin '85 Jeep CJ-7 '97 Toyota Corolla SD > I have had a couple of street runs against a new BMW M3, a friend has > one. All The Jeep was able to do vs a M3 is jump in front until about [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] > know > > > > > of a good place to discuss Jeep VS experiences? Jeep Vs is fun > I have had a couple of street runs against a new BMW M3, a friend has > one. All The Jeep was able to do vs a M3 is jump in front until about [quoted text clipped - 107 lines] > know > > > > > of a good place to discuss Jeep VS experiences? > On the road, I'd like to see you race a stock BMW M3 or M5. Those M5's are > like lightning. Make it an endurance race- the krautmobiles will fall to pieces before the Jeep :-p > What about an Escalade? No idea how fast they are stock, but they sure have > alot of power. Then again ...that's a lot of vehicle to get moving. Escalade = big fat pig. And the 5.9 Magnum with the mods mentioned has "alot" (sic) of power too. griffin proclaimed: > On the road, I'd like to see you race a stock BMW M3 or M5. Those M5's are > like lightning. More like dry lightning. Smokable by a Grand Cherokee without even working up a sweat. Plus you can always tow 'em home with the Grand after they crap out. > What about an Escalade? No idea how fast they are stock, but they sure have > alot of power. Then again ...that's a lot of vehicle to get moving. Lotsa power !=fast. Lotsa power + low weight + gearing = fast Can't see it remotely. Both cars weigh almost exactly 4000lb. The GC has puts out 245hp from its 5.9 litre V8, and 335 lb/ft torque. It does 0-60 in 7.3 seconds. That's 41 bhp / litre. It has a 4 speed auto. The M5 puts out 507 hp from its V10 engine, and 383 lb/ft torque. It does 0-62 in 4.7 seconds. That's 100 bhp / litre. It has a 7 speed auto. De-retricted, it will reputedly do almost 205 mph Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > griffin proclaimed: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Lotsa power !=fast. Lotsa power + low weight + gearing = fast Dave Milne proclaimed: > Can't see it remotely. > > Both cars weigh almost exactly 4000lb. > > The GC has puts out 245hp from its 5.9 litre V8, > and 335 lb/ft torque. It does 0-60 in 7.3 seconds. Or 335 hp with 375 lb/ft from 5.7 litre, which if not enough can be also had with a blueprinted 6.01 hemi of 425 hp. And that is without getting into the crate engine upgrades possible. > That's 41 bhp / litre. It has a 4 speed auto. Could swear even the older grand has a 5 speed with the V8. Even the hemi versions are restricted to about 115, to help keep alive the doofii unable to tell the difference between an SUV and a Porsche. As for 0-60 times, they don't always map that well to the 0-30 times where low end torque, gearing, and traction count. > Can't see it remotely. > > Both cars weigh almost exactly 4000lb. > > The GC has puts out 245hp from its 5.9 litre V8, Horsepower is irrelevant in a short acceleration contest > and 335 lb/ft torque. At what RPM? (hint: LOW, where it counts, and where the 4-wheel drive can apply it to the asphalt) >It does 0-60 in 7.3 seconds. > That's 41 bhp / litre. Who cares- HP/liter makes good ad copy, but doesn't mean sh.t in the real world. Otherwise, the Viper wouldn't kick a Ferrari's a.s. > The M5 puts out 507 hp from its V10 engine, irrelevant- see above. > and 383 lb/ft torque. At what RPM? (hint: a hell of a lot higher than the 5.9 hits its torque peak). Stupid high-revving squirrel motors.... > De-retricted, it will reputedly do almost 205 mph Who cares? The race was over at 1/8 mile and well under 70 mph. Of course the Jeep can pull the M5 off the tree that the idiot driving it 200 mph wrapped it around, too. Steve proclaimed: >> Can't see it remotely. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > At what RPM? (hint: LOW, where it counts, and where the 4-wheel drive > can apply it to the asphalt) The hemi puts out that same 335 hp at about 2300-2400 rpm...and that is just the standard hemi. The only figures I can find for the 1/8 mile for the BMW M5 are 8.227 seconds 87.360 mph. Anyhow, I'm bored of this now.. believe what you will. Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > De-retricted, it will reputedly do almost 205 mph > Who cares? The race was over at 1/8 mile and well under 70 mph. Of > course the Jeep can pull the M5 off the tree that the idiot driving it > 200 mph wrapped it around, too. A pissing contest... DAS SignatureFor direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- > The only figures I can find for the 1/8 mile for the BMW M5 are 8.227 > seconds 87.360 mph. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> course the Jeep can pull the M5 off the tree that the idiot driving it >> 200 mph wrapped it around, too. yes, but sometimes they are fun. Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > A pissing contest... > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >> course the Jeep can pull the M5 off the tree that the idiot driving it > >> 200 mph wrapped it around, too. jeeps are made to run in the roughstuff, so who cares how fast they get there. old john > The only figures I can find for the 1/8 mile for the BMW M5 are 8.227 > seconds 87.360 mph. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > course the Jeep can pull the M5 off the tree that the idiot driving it > > 200 mph wrapped it around, too. > griffin proclaimed: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > working up a sweat. Plus you can always tow 'em home with the Grand > after they crap out. I'd honestly still have to put my money on the M5 ...even the 1/8 mile. I've seen the M-series first hand and have rarely seen any stock vehicle take them except for musclecars. They shift incredibly quickly and stick to the ground very well. See if you can arrange a race with an M5 and lemme know how it goes. I'm really curious! Signaturegriffin '85 Jeep CJ-7 '97 Toyota Corolla SD griffin did pass the time by typing: >> griffin proclaimed: >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > ground very well. See if you can arrange a race with an M5 and lemme know > how it goes. I'm really curious! Some of the benefits of where I work is a collection of non cash-strapped motorheads and a mile of fenced off dead-end road. :) I've pitted the ZJ against an M5 and lost. While not as quick as the 240ZX Twin Turbo which smoked my a.s even after a five car length head start, the M5 hauls. Honestly I'd love to fit the ZJ with a more current 4 or 5 speed auto. Of course I challenged my friend to a race over the parking blocks but he forfeited that one. So we called it even. ;) Signature-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.cox.net/wilsond HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge! griffin proclaimed: > I'd honestly still have to put my money on the M5 ...even the 1/8 mile. I've > seen the M-series first hand and have rarely seen any stock vehicle take > them except for musclecars. They shift incredibly quickly and stick to the > ground very well. See if you can arrange a race with an M5 and lemme know > how it goes. I'm really curious! OK, all kidding about the impossible task of beating an M5 with anything other than a heavily modified Jeep, sure--if I get to pick the road--or lack thereof. A Grand is surprisingly quick off the line, but still wondering how to get a truly fast launch without wheel slip. Lon did pass the time by typing: > A Grand is surprisingly quick off the line, but still wondering > how to get a truly fast launch without wheel slip. .practice. :) Sticky tires help too. Apart from breaking them loose in a turn or adding a bit of bleach, I could never get the Pirelli Scorpions to smoke. SignatureDougW Any car can beat my 2.5 93 yj, but when the road ends, and the car also....I can keep on going. :) Nick -- http://members.cox.net/nnote/ > griffin proclaimed: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > A Grand is surprisingly quick off the line, but still wondering > how to get a truly fast launch without wheel slip. > > griffin proclaimed: > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > ground very well. See if you can arrange a race with an M5 and lemme know > how it goes. I'm really curious! Unless you're racing on ice, it wouldn't even be a contest. The M5 would be LONG gone, even in a 1/8 mile race. KokomoKid proclaimed: > Unless you're racing on ice, it wouldn't even be a contest. The M5 would be > LONG gone, even in a 1/8 mile race. Feh. Ice not needed. Good old fashioned snow, sand, wet alkali, or speed bumps are good enough. I'd take all of the listed vehicles against my 4.0l Wrangler. I guarantee I would win the 1/8 mile everytime. I get to choose where that 1/8 mile is, though.... > I'm on a quest to find other like minded people who race their Jeeps. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > seconds. Does anyone else have any good Jeep VS experiences or know > of a good place to discuss Jeep VS experiences? In all of my Jeep races, simply getting to the other end of the track was the goal. By that measure, there isn't a LS1 out there that can beat me. I would gladly put my pink slip up against the fool with the LS, but I m not sure I would want his LS at the end. I suppose I could set the course where he gets toasted right off the line, then his LS would be salvagable later. > I'm on a quest to find other like minded people who race their Jeeps. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > seconds. Does anyone else have any good Jeep VS experiences or know > of a good place to discuss Jeep VS experiences? The funniest incident I've ever had racing was when I went up against a 318 Duster. I was given a 6-8 second headstart on a 1 mile strip in my '88 YJ before he even hit the gas pedal. Needless to say I got a good view of his taillights by the end of the race. Man are those things quick. Signaturegriffin '85 Jeep CJ-7 '97 Toyota Corolla SD > In all of my Jeep races, simply getting to the other end of the track was > the goal. By that measure, there isn't a LS1 out there that can beat me. I > would gladly put my pink slip up against the fool with the LS, but I m not > sure I would want his LS at the end. I suppose I could set the course where > he gets toasted right off the line, then his LS would be salvagable later. Sure, but can he CRWL? > The funniest incident I've ever had racing was when I went up against a > 318 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> he gets toasted right off the line, then his LS would be salvagable >> later. I'm with you. Even a VW bug can go too fast, my problem is going slow enough. > Sure, but can he CRWL? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >> he gets toasted right off the line, then his LS would be salvagable > >> later. SignatureWill Honea Not only, can it CRWL in, can it CRWL out again? > I'm with you. Even a VW bug can go too fast, my problem is going slow > enough. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > >> he gets toasted right off the line, then his LS would be salvagable > > >> later. Right! To CRWL out again is the real measure of a 4x4. This is my second Jeep. And unfortunately, at times, I've turned into more of a street Jeep. I've removed the underbody armor for a weight reduction and don't take my sleeper speedy Jeep offroad too much any more. I miss those days. Maybe I just need to get a CJ and spend some quality time doing the other thing Jeeps are good at. I raced a big assed puddle one time in my 4cyl TJ..... the puddle won.... > I'm on a quest to find other like minded people who race their Jeeps. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > seconds. Does anyone else have any good Jeep VS experiences or know > of a good place to discuss Jeep VS experiences? For 1/8 mile drags, that AWD is definitely a good thing. Most of the results are what I might expect, but the 350z should beat the Jeep--probably lit up the tires too much, and I suspect the WRX guy bogged and didn't get the turbo spooled up very well. In all, you have an interesting list of runs. > I'm on a quest to find other like minded people who race their Jeeps. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > seconds. Does anyone else have any good Jeep VS experiences or know > of a good place to discuss Jeep VS experiences? What? A fast Jeep? Are Jeeps really that fast? This sounds like BS. BS alert! BS alert! Maybe a Jeep vs another suv but sports cars? Give me a break. > For 1/8 mile drags, that AWD is definitely a good thing. Most of the > results are what I might expect, but the 350z should beat the [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >> seconds. Does anyone else have any good Jeep VS experiences or know >> of a good place to discuss Jeep VS experiences? > Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:34:24 GMT > From: Gary Powers <gepowers@comcast.net> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Maybe a Jeep vs another suv but sports cars? > Give me a break. I suppose you've never taken on a V8-powered Grand Cherokee in a local stoplight Grand Prix? Let me assure you that I've found through hard experience they can hold their own in 1/8 mile races, especially a 5.9L version. --Geoff Really? I guess hadn't thought much about them. Is that 5.9 similar to the Dakota 5.9 R/T engine? >> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:34:24 GMT >> From: Gary Powers <gepowers@comcast.net> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > --Geoff > Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:02:49 GMT > From: Gary Powers <gepowers@comcast.net> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > > > --Geoff Yep, they're very similar. More than enough to induce fairly rapid Jeep accel. I believe the 0 to 60 times were in the low seven seconds range. --Geoff > Really? > I guess hadn't thought much about them. Is that 5.9 similar to the > Dakota > 5.9 R/T engine? same engine. 5.9 liters 360 cubic inches bob z. Geoff proclaimed: >>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:34:24 GMT >>From: Gary Powers <gepowers@comcast.net> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > stoplight Grand Prix? Let me assure you that I've found through hard > experience they can hold their own in 1/8 mile races, especially a 5.9L version. A lot of this is due to the startle factor...plus really really good low end torque, typically more than a smaller buzzier motor can generate in that first critical few feet or so. Gary Powers proclaimed: > What? A fast Jeep? Are Jeeps really that fast? This sounds like BS. > BS alert! > BS alert! > Maybe a Jeep vs another suv but sports cars? > Give me a break. With a suitably modified engine, it isn't that overly heavy. However, I would expect the 4 wheel drive to be a disadvantage since a good launch for drag racing typically involves wheels leaving a bit of expensive rubber behind. Perhaps am wrong, but on a 2wd always got best street starts with a bit of cop alarm squeal. Or perhaps he has a Grand Cherokee SRT-8, where even the non-SRT version is a bit quicker than a midline Bimmer. > What? A fast Jeep? Are Jeeps really that fast? This sounds like BS. > BS alert! > BS alert! > Maybe a Jeep vs another suv but sports cars? > Give me a break. Heh heh heh... here's another sucker for you guys... :-) Don't forget the setting: 1/8 mile drags. Torque rules, "sports cars" drool. Wise up, guys. Jeeps are great for tooling around REAL SLOW in mud or snow around the farm or leasurely rides into town. For highway use, just buy a f.cking car. Jeeps are tipsy sons'of bitches so stay clear of me. I don't want to pile into your twisted heap when you roll it over in my path. While I couldn't care less about your Redneck skins, I do think your kids ought to have a go at life. So, for their sake, tool around in your beloved Jeep all by yourself and leave the old bag and the brats at home. |
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