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Car Forum / Chrysler Cars / December 2004manufacturer rebuilt vs indy rebuilt transmission
I have a '98 Dodge Caravan v.6 3 speed automatic transmission. Transmission is dead; service shop at Chrysler dealership recommends installing tranny rebuilt by Chrysler: cost $4000 Canadian (3350 US) inc. labour, three year warranty. Local transmission shop would do the job for $1700 (Cdn.) inc. labour, 2 year warranty. Is the Chrysler rebuilt part worth the additional $2300? Thanks, Frank >I have a '98 Dodge Caravan v.6 3 speed automatic transmission. > Transmission is dead; service shop at Chrysler dealership recommends [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thanks, No. Richard. > I have a '98 Dodge Caravan v.6 3 speed automatic transmission. > Transmission is dead; service shop at Chrysler dealership recommends > installing tranny rebuilt by Chrysler NO! > Local transmission shop would do the job for $1700 (Cdn.) inc. labour, 2 > year warranty. YES! Go to Amco transmission, get a replacement and purchase the life time warranty >I have a '98 Dodge Caravan v.6 3 speed automatic transmission. > Transmission is dead; service shop at Chrysler dealership recommends [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Frank Nope. > Go to Amco transmission, get a replacement and purchase the life time > warranty [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >> Frank > Go to Amco transmission, get a replacement and purchase the life time > warranty Go to SCAAMCO transmission, get a "spray paint rebuild", a triple overcharge, and a worthless lifetime warranty at extra cost. >>Go to Amco transmission, get a replacement and purchase the life time >>warranty > > Go to SCAAMCO transmission, get a "spray paint rebuild", a triple > overcharge, and a worthless lifetime warranty at extra cost. hey, don't knock the rattle can rebuild. I've done many a generator, alternator, and starter with just new brushes, bearings if it needs them, and a little grease and a fresh coat of Krylon semi-gloss black :) Of course, when you're talking about things a little more difficult to R&R in one's driveway like transmissions, I tend to agree with you... nate  Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel > > Go to SCAAMCO transmission, get a "spray paint rebuild", a triple > > overcharge, and a worthless lifetime warranty at extra cost. > hey, don't knock the rattle can rebuild. I've done many a generator, > alternator, and starter with just new brushes, bearings if it needs > them, and a little grease and a fresh coat of Krylon semi-gloss black :) That's not a rattle can rebuild. A rattle can rebuild is "Fix whatever minor problem exists with the transmission, temporarily or permanently, clean and paint the housing, and charge for a full overhaul". SCAAMCO has been caught at it numerous times over the years and has always managed to slime its way out of it with "We didn't do it, yer awner, but we promise never to do it again." > I have a '98 Dodge Caravan v.6 3 speed automatic transmission. > Transmission is dead; service shop at Chrysler dealership recommends > installing tranny rebuilt by Chrysler: cost $4000 Canadian (3350 US) There's no such thing. Chrysler is not in the rebuilding business. Their dealer network buys rebuilt transmissions from whatever mass-rebuilder had the lowest bid for the current contract interval. Just like "Mopar" oil filters have been variously made by Fram, Wix/Dana, and who-knows-else over the years. The same is true for ALL automakers, by the way. You're much better off with a local rebuild by a competent shop. >I have a '98 Dodge Caravan v.6 3 speed automatic transmission. >Transmission is dead; service shop at Chrysler dealership recommends [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Is the Chrysler rebuilt part worth the additional $2300? Wow - you really have substantial mark-up of parts up there, don't you? I went with the Chrysler rebuilt tranny in my '96 T&C when the original destructed at 117,778 miles and the price I paid, including labor and sales tax, was $2,199.00 which breaks down as follows: Trans $2,000, Core return -$500, 4 qts. ATF $50, Labor $525, Tax $124. I went with the Chrysler rebuilt because of the 3year/36,000mile warranty. That was in August 2001. The tranny did start acting up at 156,408 miles in June 2003 and it turned out to be the input and output sensors. Had them replaced and the tranny has been working great since. Mileage is now 185,370. > Wow - you really have substantial mark-up of parts up there, don't you? ><snip> > 4 qts. ATF $50 I'm hoping you goofed here or I read it wrong. If not, you've been had with more then just "substantial mark-up". "me-not-you" wrote: >> Wow - you really have substantial mark-up of parts up there, don't you? >><snip> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >If not, you've been had with more then just "substantial mark-up". Thanks for the correction. I only "assumed" quarts as that is how I always buy tranny fluid. In actuality, since the capacity of the tranny is 9.1 quarts with an overhaul, and my billl states 4 - 5010125-AA - - Fluid ATF 1081018 @$12.50 each, for a total of $50, each one of these must be 2.5 quarts???? Is that better? > "me-not-you" wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > each, for a total of $50, each one of these must be 2.5 quarts???? Is that > better? That P/N is a gallon of ATF+3 - and it does list for about $13/gallon. Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my adddress with the letter 'x') >I have a '98 Dodge Caravan v.6 3 speed automatic transmission. > Transmission is dead; service shop at Chrysler dealership recommends > installing tranny rebuilt by Chrysler: cost $4000 Canadian (3350 US) > inc. labour, three year warranty. Local transmission shop would do the > job for $1700 (Cdn.) inc. labour, 2 year warranty. If you trust your local shop, go there. That dealer price is absurd. >I have a '98 Dodge Caravan v.6 3 speed automatic transmission. >Transmission is dead; service shop at Chrysler dealership recommends [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Frank Never. The independent shop, if a good one, will do every bit as good a job. Here in Ontario, Mr Transmission will do it for about 2300 with a full warranty. Chrysler you get 20,000km or one year, if you are lucky. "nospam.clare" wrote: >The independent shop, if a good one, will do every bit as good a job. >Here in Ontario, Mr Transmission will do it for about 2300 with a full >warranty. > >Chrysler you get 20,000km or one year, if you are lucky. Why would Chrysler offer less of a warranty in Canada than they do in the U.S.(3 yrs/36,000miles)................and just what is the "full warranty" from Mr. Transmission??????????????/ >>I have a '98 Dodge Caravan v.6 3 speed automatic transmission. >>Transmission is dead; service shop at Chrysler dealership recommends [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Chrysler you get 20,000km or one year, if you are lucky. The hard part is finding a good independent shop. Matt >>> I have a '98 Dodge Caravan v.6 3 speed automatic transmission. >>> Transmission is dead; service shop at Chrysler dealership recommends [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Matt Yabbut, a) nothing worth doing is ever the easiest option, and b) its not THAT hard. :-) >Yabbut, > >a) nothing worth doing is ever the easiest option, and >b) its not THAT hard. But many of us use the easiest option because: 1) We value our time more than to spend it searching locally; 2) We use that time to work or spend it with our family; 3) We can't wait for the repair when we are told, "I'm really backed-up with work and can get to it next week"; 4) We need the repair done NOW!!!!!!!!!!! >>Yabbut, >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > But many of us use the easiest option because: > 1) We value our time more than to spend it searching locally; What do you DO with that whole hour that's so valuable? > 2) We use that time to work or spend it with our family; What percentage of your time do you think it REALLY takes? An hour or two of phone calls every 10 years or so is too invasive for you? That's all it took me. > 3) We can't wait for the repair when we are told, "I'm really backed-up with > work and can get to it next week"; If you REALLY only own 1 car, then I suppose thats a valid excuse, although (potentially) a whole lot more expensive in the long run than calling Enterprise and renting a car for a couple of days in order to have the job done right. > 4) We need the repair done NOW!!!!!!!!!!! Translation: "I can't be bothered with thinking long-term." >> But many of us use the easiest option because: >> 1) We value our time more than to spend it searching locally; > >What do you DO with that whole hour that's so valuable? If YOU only spend one hour searching locally you have spent NO TIME whatsoever trying to find a shop that meets all of the criteria you have been advocating. and continued: >What percentage of your time do you think it REALLY takes? An hour or >two of phone calls every 10 years or so is too invasive for you? That's >all it took me. Sorry, Charley, I mean Stevie-boy, an hour or two on the phone is no reasearch and AWS! If I am going to do research I am going to visit each shop on my list to see, personally, what makes them the one I am going to choose. and further stated: >If you REALLY only own 1 car, then I suppose thats a valid excuse, >although (potentially) a whole lot more expensive in the long run than >calling Enterprise and renting a car for a couple of days in order to >have the job done right. I have a car, my wife has a car. We BOTH are fund-raising professionals. We BOTH need our vehicles every day. I am NOT going to shell out money to Enterprise for a couple of days - usually more - to make the repair even MORE costly...and now you are stating that the course of action I took for the replacement of the transmission resulted in the job not being done right????????? Yup, over 68,000 miles and more than three years since it was done and you say I chose the wrong way. and finished: > 4) We need the repair done NOW!!!!!!!!!!! > >Translation: "I can't be bothered with thinking long-term." I DID think long-term and my choice was the correct choice - "YCITPM - ICTPB"!!! >>>But many of us use the easiest option because: >>>1) We value our time more than to spend it searching locally; [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If YOU only spend one hour searching locally you have spent NO TIME whatsoever > trying to find a shop that meets all of the criteria you have been advocating. If you take longer than an hour you don't know how to use the phone. Or don't know how to ask, "Do you do your own in-house rebuilds on Chrysler 41TE transmissions? Yeah? OK, we all know they had some problems, what kind of failures do you usually see? Yeah, what's the fix? (wait for right answers)... Do you see a lot of come-backs? No- OK. What fluid do you use? ATF+4 OK, thanks, mind if I come by and talk to you about my car?" Then you go visit the shop, have a look around, talk to the manager and confirm the phone conversation. The 5th shop I called gave me a lengthy, detailed description of exactly what upgrades they've found to be the best, and what assembly procedures give the lowest come-backs. Not a lentghy process at all. The first 3 said, "No, that transmission is 'too complicated,' we buy them from the dealer" and got an immediate hang-up from me. The other one couldn't (or wouldn't) tell me what fixes they apply to the known probems. "Stevie-boy" wrote: >If you take longer than an hour you don't know how to use the phone. Or >don't know how to ask, "Do you do your own in-house rebuilds on Chrysler >41TE transmissions? Yeah? OK, we all know they had some problems, what >kind of failures do you usually see? Yeah, what's the fix? (wait for >right answers)... Do you see a lot of come-backs? No- OK. What fluid do >you use? ATF+4 OK, thanks, mind if I come by and talk to you about my car?" >Then you go visit the shop, have a look around, talk to the manager and >confirm the phone conversation. The 5th shop I called gave me a lengthy, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >from me. The other one couldn't (or wouldn't) tell me what fixes they >apply to the known probems. ....and wants to continue this pissing contest. Stevie-boy, you AWS and I see no need to continue. You feel you know all of the answers and your way is the only way. Guess what? YOU'RE WRONG!!!!!!!!! Bye! > ....and wants to continue this pissing contest. Stevie-boy, you AWS ?? Again, in English this time? > and I see > no need to continue. You feel you know all of the answers and your way is the > only way. Pot, Kettle, Black. > Guess what? YOU'RE WRONG!!!!!!!!! Bye! Suit yerself. Its not my money you're spending. >> ....and wants to continue this pissing contest. Stevie-boy, you AWS > >?? Again, in English this time? Okay - "and wants to continue this pissing contest. Stevie-boy, you AWS" - Ain't Worth sh.t! and continued: >> and I see >> no need to continue. You feel you know all of the answers and your way is >the >> only way. > >Pot, Kettle, Black. Far, far from it. > > Guess what? YOU'RE WRONG!!!!!!!!! Bye! > >Suit yerself. Its not my money you're spending. Money was spent - over three years ago, for a quality, rebuilt unit from a Dodge dealer. The warranty was longer, it is continuing to stand the test of time, it was done in one day, and I paid less than you did for yours. You and Danile can continue to generalize all you want to with your "mass-produced, sweat-shop produced" diatribe. I have merely pointed out that you are wrong to generalize but never once have I said "my way is the only way". > Money was spent - over three years ago, for a quality, rebuilt unit from a > Dodge dealer. The warranty was longer, it is continuing to stand the test of > time, it was done in one day, and I paid less than you did for yours. You and > Danile can continue to generalize all you want to with your "mass-produced, > sweat-shop produced" diatribe. I have merely pointed out that you are wrong to > generalize but never once have I said "my way is the only way". Two points, and I'm done with this: 1) I never told you what I paid, and I don't know (or care) what you paid. 2) Every post I've made has used words like "odds" and "probability." If you don't recognise that those words absolutely explain why the genralization can be true despite the fact that you got a good transmission, then its obvious why we can't have a rational discussion. >If you take longer than an hour you don't know how to use the phone. Or >don't know how to ask, "Do you do your own in-house rebuilds on Chrysler >41TE transmissions? Yeah? OK, we all know they had some problems, what >kind of failures do you usually see? Yeah, what's the fix? (wait for >right answers)... Do you see a lot of come-backs? No- OK. What fluid do >you use? ATF+4 OK, thanks, mind if I come by and talk to you about my car?" The only problem with this is that I as a consumer probably don't know the answers to the questions or even what parts are in a transmission so they could make up anything to tell me and I wouldn't have a clue if I was getting the run around or being told the truth. Even if the rebuild from Chrysler turned out to be junk its easier to spend those kind of bucks knowing you have the dealer network and financial resources of Chrysler staning behind it. Probably all of us here have had to give up on a mechanic or dealer and take a car somewhere else to be repaired at some point in time and not many of us can stand to take the financial hit of a bad rebuild from a bad shop. All in all I agree that the independant can do a better job for a better price but being in the average consumers shoes of not knowing a good transmission person and not knowing how a transmission works I would probably also go back to the security of Ma Mopar. This is another case where building a good relationship with an independant mechanic can help out. If I don't know beans about a transmission but my mechanic Joe does and he says XYZ company is the best place in town to go then I am ahead of the game. Steve B. >>If you take longer than an hour you don't know how to use the phone. Or >>don't know how to ask, "Do you do your own in-house rebuilds on Chrysler [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > so they could make up anything to tell me and I wouldn't have a clue > if I was getting the run around or being told the truth. And you see no need to educate yourself a little to protect yourself? To quote another poster on this thread, "Do you choose a surgeon" without learning a little bit about the disease you've got? >And you see no need to educate yourself a little to protect yourself? To >quote another poster on this thread, "Do you choose a surgeon" without >learning a little bit about the disease you've got? If you are having a heart attack are you going to stop and spend a day learning about heart disease or call 911? If you break your leg are you going to rent a walker and go to different hospitals to see how they would fix it or are you going to go to an emergency room? I agree with you that it would be better if people knew enough to make informed decisions. I was recently facing the same issue on my '59 and decided to rebuild the transmission myself... Who know how its going to turn out but so far so good. The realistic side of this though is that people just dont have time to go learn what they need to know and if they do have time things mechanical are so foreign to them that they wont learn enough to make sense of it. Steve B. > >And you see no need to educate yourself a little to protect yourself? To > >quote another poster on this thread, "Do you choose a surgeon" without > >learning a little bit about the disease you've got? > If you are having a heart attack are you going to stop and spend a day > learning about heart disease or call 911? Having a vehicle break down is a nuisance, but it's hardly life-threatening. > I agree with you that it would be better if people knew enough to make > informed decisions. Right. > people just dont have time to go learn what they need > to know Certainly they do. Many of them choose to waste that time smokin' cigarettes and watchin' Captain Kangaroo, but that's their own stupid choice. DS > Certainly they do. Many of them choose to waste that time smokin' > cigarettes and watchin' Captain Kangaroo, but that's their own stupid > choice. Hey! Don't knock the captain! Captain Kangaroo was a terrific, educational show -- for six year olds. SignatureJoseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605 Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002 New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer >Certainly they do. Many of them choose to waste that time smokin' >cigarettes and watchin' Captain Kangaroo, but that's their own stupid >choice. It is actually: "smokin' cigarettes and watchin' Captain Kang-Kangaroo. Long live the Statler Bros.!!! >>And you see no need to educate yourself a little to protect yourself? To >>quote another poster on this thread, "Do you choose a surgeon" without >>learning a little bit about the disease you've got? > > If you are having a heart attack are you going to stop and spend a day > learning about heart disease No, but if I just have some chest pain and a doctor wants to do a quad bypass, I'd be well-advised to read about angioplasty, stents, and other alternative methods. And if the doctor wants to throw me on blood thinners, I might do well to learn about the risks and side effects before I risk a massive stroke. > I agree with you that it would be better if people knew enough to make > informed decisions. I was recently facing the same issue on my '59 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to know and if they do have time things mechanical are so foreign to > them that they wont learn enough to make sense of it. I just can't imagine that its that hard. Its just a silly little minivan transmission, not an Joint Strike Figher lift-fan gearbox and clutch! And the web gives a huge amount of resources to tell you the common problems, symptoms, and the right questions to ask to boot. But I'll allow that maybe I'm just such a dyed-in-the-wool gearhead that I can't see it from any other perspective. I started reading up on the transmission about 100,000 miles before I *HAD* a problem with the one in my wife's car. >But I'll >allow that maybe I'm just such a dyed-in-the-wool gearhead that I can't >see it from any other perspective. I started reading up on the >transmission about 100,000 miles before I *HAD* a problem with the one >in my wife's car. ...........substitute the word "allow" with "admit", and remove the word "maybe" in that first sentence and your remark will be right on the money. > >If you take longer than an hour you don't know how to use the phone. Or > >don't know how to ask, "Do you do your own in-house rebuilds on [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >OK. What fluid do you use? ATF+4 OK, thanks, mind if I come by and talk > >to you about my car?" > The only problem with this is that I as a consumer probably don't know > the answers to the questions or even what parts are in a transmission > so they could make up anything to tell me and I wouldn't have a clue > if I was getting the run around or being told the truth. It's up to you to educate yourself. If you choose not to do so, then the consequences (in terms of money and/or hassle) you suffer later are your own fault. >>> Yabbut, >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > two of phone calls every 10 years or so is too invasive for you? That's > all it took me. You must be clairvoyant if you can determine the competence of a transmimssion shop via a phone call. Do you select your surgeon that same way? Matt >>>> Yabbut, >>>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Matt Nope, just gotta know the right questions to ask. That narrows it down to the point that visiting no more than 1-2 shops is necessary. My car and my family's safety is worth it to me. A "lifetime warranty" doesn't do my wife any good if the POS assembly-line rebuild has a meltdown 100 miles from the nearest dealer, or in a bad part of town late at night, or during a winter storm.... >>>>> Yabbut, >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Nope, just gotta know the right questions to ask. That narrows it down > to the point that visiting no more than 1-2 shops is necessary. And you believe that the unscrupulous shops will tell you the truth about what they do. Give me a call, I've got some real estate to sell you. The biggest fiasco I ever had with a vehicle was a private shop that I hired to make a ring & pinion swap in my Chevy pickup. I asked around and got a good recommendation from a friend who is a auto enthusiast. I called the guy and asked him questions about r&p setup, how many he'd changed and set up, etc. He certainly sounded like he knew what he was doing. Well, 30 days later, at a cost of twice what he quoted me, I had a truck with a very noisy rear r&p that ran very hot. The guy told me that he had it apart "several times" and that was the best he could get it, even with no shims on the pinion. I took it to the local GM dealer who fixed it in a morning. Turns out what the "independent" mechanic had missed is that GM went to a "machined to fit" shim a few years back rather than using standard shim packs. This guy mistook the "shim" for a spacer and was adding shims to the spacer that was already the right size for the original setup and too large for the new pinion. So even when he used no shims, he was using a very thick shim. Unless you were an expert on GM rear ends, you'd have never know to ask him a question like this. So, Einstein, tell me how you would have detected this missing piece of key data during a phone screen ... or even a visit to the shop? Matt >>>>>> Yabbut, >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > And you believe that the unscrupulous shops will tell you the truth > about what they do. Of course not, which is why you ask questions and VISIT the shop to see what's going on. You think all dealers that slap in shoddy mass-reman units are truthful either? We all already know that holding dealer service departments accountable on behalf of the customer is one of Chrysler's biggest problems in the marketplace, you actually think it would be WORSE out among the mom-and-pop shops? >>>>>>> Yabbut, >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > problems in the marketplace, you actually think it would be WORSE out > among the mom-and-pop shops? Actually, my experience is that it is worse among mom and pop shops as compared to my local Chrysler dealer. Matt >>>>>>>> Yabbut, >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > >Matt Then you have a very good dealer (or some very poor "mom and pop" shops.) Yes - there ARE some good dealerships around, where you will get a fair shake, and a good job - without a hassle if and when something does go bad - because it WILL. It will go bad because of the quality controll issues in the parts supply train. Doesn't matter WHO you buy from. Then again, there are some VERY respectable "mom and pops" out there who will consistently do a better job, for the same or better price, without the hassle. And things won't go sour any more with them than with the dealer. The independent has the "luxury" of being able to source parts from whoever he pleases - unlike the dealer who is more or less tied to his own parts department, and the dealership parts chain. They can, and some do, buy some aftermarket parts, particularly when they know they have a problem and someone else has the answer. The independent can pick and chose - they know, for instance, that XYZ Starter and Alternator Service over on the state line provides the best auto electrical rebuilds in the area, at any price, and has good stock and a fast turnaround when problems arize - so they get all their starters and alternators etc repaired, rebuilt, or replaced there. They have had very good results, with good fit, long life, and decent price with exhaust parts from (Bosal, Walker,you fill in the blank) and A&Z Auto over on the east side almost always has stock, delivers within the half hour, and beats everybody else's exhaust price by 5% - so they buy their exhausts from A&Z whenever possible. If they run into a fit problem, their complaints carry some weight and A&Z goes to bat for them with the manufacturer because their business is worth something to A&Z. You get the picture. You get the picture. > Then you have a very good dealer (or some very poor "mom and pop" > shops.) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > controll issues in the parts supply train. Doesn't matter WHO you buy > from. I'm still trying to figure out what happened with a local shop in town here -- when they were a dealer, they were one of the rare outstanding dealers. I never came away feeling like I'd been taken for the proverbial ride; their work was good. Though they were a Chrysler dealer, I got to where I was taking my off-brand truck to them. They sold the dealership, and remained in business as a used car store plus repair shop. The old service manager became a partner in the revised enterprise. And... it all went to hell. Exactly the same people I'd worked with for years and years were suddenly telling me the on-off-on-off-on key sequence didn't work on a '95 Neon (and the long list of codes it reported to me didn't actually mean anything); that you couldn't adjust the clutch pedal on a '90 Toyota truck (not only is the procedure quite prominent in the manual, but the same people had mentioned it on an earlier trip), and they botched an R134a conversion to the point that I was getting an annual free A/C compressor from them for several years. I still don't understand it, but I haven't been there in quite a while. SignatureJoseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605 Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002 New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer >> You think all dealers that slap in shoddy mass-reman units are >> truthful either? We all already know that holding dealer service [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Matt All I can say is "wow, that's not my experience!" We have *ONE* dealer locally (out of about 7 that sell Chrysler products) that I would let work on my car, and that dealer is only good because the service department invested in everything it takes to become a Viper specialist shop (complete with dyno) and staffed up accordingly with talented techs. The mom-and-pops(*) LIVE by not screwing people over, on the other hand. Every repeat customer they alienate cuts down their chance of seeing another year in business. (*) "mom-and-pop" does NOT include Ammco, Brake Check, Cottmans, Jiffy Lube, etc. etc. etc. >>> You think all dealers that slap in shoddy mass-reman units are >>> truthful either? We all already know that holding dealer service [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > other hand. Every repeat customer they alienate cuts down their chance > of seeing another year in business. Why is this any different for a dealer? Matt >>>> You think all dealers that slap in shoddy mass-reman units are >>>> truthful either? We all already know that holding dealer service [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Matt Dealers are pretty much guaranteed a fair volume of warranty work at book rates from Chrysler, plus parts sales and new car sales can "prop up" a mediocre service department. No such safety nets with the mom-and-pop shops. >>>>> You think all dealers that slap in shoddy mass-reman units are >>>>> truthful either? We all already know that holding dealer service [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > up" a mediocre service department. No such safety nets with the > mom-and-pop shops. Except that I don't buy new cars from dealers who don't properly repair my existing cars. Losing the new car business is a big deal for most dealers and a lousy service department is the fastest way to do this. Matt If it is a Chrysler rebuilt it should have a 3/36 warranty > I have a '98 Dodge Caravan v.6 3 speed automatic transmission. > Transmission is dead; service shop at Chrysler dealership recommends [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Frank > If it is a Chrysler rebuilt it should have a 3/36 warranty I will pick a properly-done rebuild with a 90-day warranty over a thrown together piece of "remanufactured" trash with a 3/36 warranty in a hot second, every time. > I will pick a properly-done rebuild < problem is finding someone that can do it, and performing the reflashes that go with it > > If it is a Chrysler rebuilt it should have a 3/36 warranty > > I will pick a properly-done rebuild with a 90-day warranty over a thrown > together piece of "remanufactured" trash with a 3/36 warranty in a hot > second, every time. > > I will pick a properly-done rebuild > problem is finding someone that can do it, and performing the reflashes > that go with it Aren't you the one who was claiming not so long ago that it's no longer possible to reflash the TCM? Or was that "Mic Canic"? I sometimes have trouble telling the two of you apart. You can now flash BCM's PCM's and TSM's and im sure there are others that I havent had to do yet, Mic Canic and I both work as auto techs at the dealer, i think he has 30 yrs to my 25, but working on these every day and dealing with the problems and the people at chrysler you get to know whats out there and what can be done, not like doing a google search on some of the posts and copying and pasting in the group, you no what i mean dont you Daniel? > > > I will pick a properly-done rebuild > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > possible to reflash the TCM? Or was that "Mic Canic"? I sometimes have > trouble telling the two of you apart. >> If it is a Chrysler rebuilt it should have a 3/36 warranty > >I will pick a properly-done rebuild with a 90-day warranty over a thrown >together piece of "remanufactured" trash with a 3/36 warranty in a hot >second, every time. ....and that is why you are YOU, Daniel, and the rest of us are glad we aren't. FYI - my unit isn't remanufactured trash..............but nothing will convince you of that because you are YOU, and the rest of us are glad we aren't. >>>If it is a Chrysler rebuilt it should have a 3/36 warranty >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > ....and that is why you are YOU, Daniel, and the rest of us are glad we aren't. So you LIKE throwing money away and repeatedly dropping your car off for major work, even if its free? I agree with Dan, and my locally-rebuilt 3-month warranteed 42LE rebuild is going strong with 80k miles on it, and by the clock its lasted well over 4 years now without a single visit back to the trans shop. You just NEVER hear people that have a transmission rebuilt locally by a competent shop say "my car is on its third transmission." It JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN. >So you LIKE throwing money away and repeatedly dropping your car off for >major work, even if its free? I agree with Dan, and my locally-rebuilt [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >transmission rebuilt locally by a competent shop say "my car is on its >third transmission." It JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN. Stevie-boy, where in the hell have I ever said I am on my third transmission? Stop responding with conjecture and get some facts before you spew out your blathering drivel. Fact: my T&C has almost 186,000 miles on it. I had to replace the tranny at 117,700 miles as it wore out. Mind you this was after daily Los Angeles freeway commuter traffic, towing a large (loaded) Coleman camping trailer (as well as a fully loaded van with a family of four and four bicycles) to Yosemite and back twice (each time in August, when it isn't really cool) and back, as well as to Yellowstone and back (in August), plus an overloaded 6x12 U Haul trailer (it was so loaded that the leveling system was unable to keep the van level) from Dayton, OH to Indianapolis (and then back to Dayton) and then on home to Los Angeles (again in August). When the tranny crapped out it didn't surprise me one bit. That was over 68,000 miles and three years ago. The van has NOT been repeatedly dropped off for major work on the tranny since but it did go in for a bad fuel sending unit a year ago. How have I repeatedly thrown money away???????? How much did you pay for your "locally-rebuilt 3-month warranteed 42LE rebuild is going strong with 80k miles on it" (direct quote) and how long was it in the shop? I paid $2,199 OTD and had the van back in one day. Care to enlighten us with anything else??????? > Stevie-boy, Jerk. >where in the hell have I ever said I am on my third transmission? > Stop responding with conjecture and get some facts before you spew out your > blathering drivel. A sample set of one doesn't build a good statistical argument. I never said that you CANNOT get a good unit from from the dealer's mass-rebuilding sweatshops. But the ODDS are against it- just read this newsgroup for a few years. Just like the odds are always in favor of the house winning at a Vegas casino. >> Stevie-boy, > >Jerk. .........and now you resort to name-calling!!! Hmmmmm, seems as though you are guilty of calling me what you have proven is a title better suited for you. No, on second thought, that word is to mild, clean and respectful for what you really are. and further stated: >A sample set of one doesn't build a good statistical argument. I never >said that you CANNOT get a good unit from from the dealer's >mass-rebuilding sweatshops. But the ODDS are against it- just read this >newsgroup for a few years. I have been here for many, many years and I don't bother with statistics from here - as those who don't complain very rarely visit here - let alone even know this newsgroup exists. and finished: >Just like the odds are always in favor of the >house winning at a Vegas casino. I don't bother with Vegas - but if you give me the name of a good, local transmission shop located there I will keep that in mind if I I need one. hmmmmm still going and going and going......... > If it is a Chrysler rebuilt it should have a 3/36 warranty > > I have a '98 Dodge Caravan v.6 3 speed automatic transmission. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > > Frank The question should be, is a Chrysler RE-Manufactured Transmission better than a RE-Built one and the answer is yes. When any of the auto makers sell a transmission it is re-manufactured meaning it is repaired to OEM specifications and if there any up grades over the years they are also done especially in the valve body assembly. A re-build is just replacing worn out parts and every thing else stays. Is it worth the extra money that is up to you. Would I pay the extra money hell yes you are getting a far superior product than a re-build. HarryS >I have a '98 Dodge Caravan v.6 3 speed automatic transmission. > Transmission is dead; service shop at Chrysler dealership recommends [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Frank > The question should be, is a Chrysler RE-Manufactured Transmission better > than a RE-Built one and the answer is yes. The answer is NO. > When any of the auto makers sell a transmission it is re-manufactured When any of the automakers sell a transmission it is farmed out to the lowest-bidding factory full of semi-skilled trained apes. Failure rate on "remanufactured" Chrysler automatics is very high. > it is repaired to OEM specifications and if there any up grades over the > years they are also done especially in the valve body assembly. There is no "valve body assembly" in the transmission in question. It's an A604-derivative. And, when a transmission is overhauled by any decent trans tech, it is repaired to OEM specifications and all upgrades are retrofitted. > A re-build is just replacing worn out parts and every thing else stays. Maybe in your garage in Alabama, out back behind the outhouse and past the field full of old refrigerators and buried blue tickhounds. well from the ones that come into the shop that have been purchased from Jasper, and some of the name brand transbuilder shops around here, Alot of them dont even last the 1 yr warranty that comes with them. Go to a rebuilder and have something go wrong with it 300 miles from the shop it was done and see if you get it fixed, Now buy a Chrysler Rebuilt and have something go wrong with it and have it towed to the nearest dealer...... 3/36 covered, so my answer is YES > > The question should be, is a Chrysler RE-Manufactured Transmission better > > than a RE-Built one and the answer is yes. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Maybe in your garage in Alabama, out back behind the outhouse and past > the field full of old refrigerators and buried blue tickhounds. > well from the ones that come into the shop that have been purchased from > Jasper, and some of the name brand transbuilder shops around here, Alot of > them dont even last the 1 yr warranty that comes with them. Exactly. This proves my point. Jasper sells factory-reman junk, and what you are calling "name brand transbuilder shops" (e.g. SCAAMCO, Cottman, etc.) are the same. > Go to a rebuilder and have something go wrong with it 300 miles from the > shop it was done and see if you get it fixed, Now buy a Chrysler Rebuilt > and have something go wrong with it and have it towed to the nearest > dealer...... Find a good trans tech and don't have anything go wrong in the first place. Find a good trans tech and don't have anything go wrong in the first place<<<<< Thats the whole thing finding a good tech, its not like every year or 2 you have a trans that needs overhauled, if that were the case you could find a good trans tech, and im sure it would be process of illimination. So what Im saying is using a Chryrsler rebuilt puts all the problems back on Chrysler if there were a problem, better for the customer all around, Doesnt that make sense to you Daniel?? > > well from the ones that come into the shop that have been purchased from > > Jasper, and some of the name brand transbuilder shops around here, Alot of [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Find a good trans tech and don't have anything go wrong in the first > place. >> Find a good trans tech and don't have anything go wrong in the first >> place > Thats the whole thing finding a good tech, Not all that difficult, just involves some homework, time and effort. > its not like every year or 2 you have a trans that needs overhauled Unless you buy cruddy "remans". > So what Im saying is using a Chryrsler rebuilt puts all the problems > back on Chrysler if there were a problem, better for the customer all > around, Doesnt that make sense to you Daniel?? No. It doesn't. Picking the least-worst cleanup process for problems is decidedly less practical and sensible than preventing the problem in the first place. LOL ok Dan C > >> Find a good trans tech and don't have anything go wrong in the first > >> place [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > decidedly less practical and sensible than preventing the problem in the > first place. "Daniel J. Stern" replied: >> Thats the whole thing finding a good tech, > >Not all that difficult, just involves some homework, time and effort. Yah, sure, you betcha, Daniel!!?? When the tranny craps out and the vehicle will not move (as in my case three years ago) and I need it yesterday, I am going to take time, effort and homework to search through the mechanics in my town so that I can find a good one who will do the work and have it ready for me by the end of the day today so I don't miss another day of work. Get real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So shop around while your vehicle is not able to move for a good trans tech, some of your posts make no sense, Did you copy and paste this reply? Are you related to Dan C, I get the 2 of you mixed up > >> Find a good trans tech and don't have anything go wrong in the first > >> place [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > decidedly less practical and sensible than preventing the problem in the > first place. "Daniel J. Stern" wrote: >When any of the automakers sell a transmission it is farmed out to the >lowest-bidding factory full of semi-skilled trained apes. Failure rate on >"remanufactured" Chrysler automatics is very high. .....and just WHAT is that failure rate, Daniel, and when should it occur? I am approaching 68,000 miles and more than 3 years on my Chrysler rebuilt. I guess I should really satrt worrying, shouldn't I? NOT!!!!!!!!! >"Daniel J. Stern" wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >approaching 68,000 miles and more than 3 years on my Chrysler rebuilt. I guess >I should really satrt worrying, shouldn't I? NOT!!!!!!!!! My experience over the last several decades is you get a fairly high "infant mortality" rate out of so-called "factory" remans. If they go 90 days without ANY problems you are usually in pretty good shape. As Dan'l stated, the "reman" factory is usually an assembly line of untrained workers who know nothing about transmissions other than how to install a particular part or assemble a particular assembly. They are working for just over minimum wage. As many "used and inspected" parts as possible are used in the assembly, and the inspection is often done by inspectors with no more training than the assemblers - and as long as the part has a fighting chance of surviving the warranty period, it passes. If the warranty is not transferrable, even a 3 year warranty is not much of a risk, as the average owner keeps a car for less than the warranty period. I have had experience with "factory rebuilt" engines - old Chrysler 318s and Slant Six engines- where camshafts were pitted, and lifters were convex, causing valve noise right out of the crate. Others with virtually no oil pressure at idle when warm. Others with missing cam bearings, or crankshaft thrust bearings installed backwards. Others with oil gallery plugs not installed - or casting plugs left out. Never had those problems with a local rebuilder who "reconditioned" the engine I sent in for repair. With starters and alternators, I had TERRIBLE luck with "factory remans" - to the point I would usually repair them myself. And rebuilt carbs? They were a REAL crap-shoot. Much farther ahead to buy a Jiffy-kit and do it myself. I have never used a "factory reman" automatic as I have always had at least 2 reputable, experienced, qualified tranny shops to chose from locally. I've never had a problem with one of these"repaired" trannies - and sometimes we went cheep and just fixed what was wrong. In cases where we had a really "munched" one, I'd get a used one, have it dissassembled, inspected, and adjusted, and pop it in. Occaisionally I'd find one with next to no miles and pop it in "as is". On my own '88 New Yorker the tranny went sour somewhere north of 200,000 Km and a rebuild was looking like $2300. I found a tranny out of a Spirit (last year they were made, can't remember exactly) with less than 30,000Km for $350 Cnd. Exactly the same tranny, except for the speedo gear (mine had electronic dash). "nospam.clare" wrote: >My experience over the last several decades is you get a fairly high >"infant mortality" rate out of so-called "factory" remans. > >If they go 90 days without ANY problems you are usually in pretty good >shape. Well, as you and Daniel are both in Canada and I am not I guess i should be glad I am not. BTW - almost 68,000 miles and over three years on my rebuilt Chrysler tranny. I guess what he is saying is, start trying to find a good trans tech now???? > >>When any of the automakers sell a transmission it is farmed out to the > >>lowest-bidding factory full of semi-skilled trained apes. Failure rate on [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > less than 30,000Km for $350 Cnd. Exactly the same tranny, except for > the speedo gear (mine had electronic dash). >I guess what he is saying is, start trying to find a good trans tech now???? Who knows? But I can assure you it ain't gonna happen! >The question should be, is a Chrysler RE-Manufactured Transmission better >than a RE-Built one and the answer is yes. When any of the auto makers sell [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >HarryS Well, On my Pontiac, I had a complete rebuild done at Mr T for $2300 canadian - and that included several upgrades, including a governor modification. The "factory" rebuild was almost twice the price (from GM) >>I have a '98 Dodge Caravan v.6 3 speed automatic transmission. >> Transmission is dead; service shop at Chrysler dealership recommends [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> Frank "nospam.clare" wrote: >Well, On my Pontiac, I had a complete rebuild done at Mr T for $2300 >canadian - and that included several upgrades, including a governor >modification. >The "factory" rebuild was almost twice the price (from GM) The remanufactured unit put in my '96 T&C LXi over three years ago was $2199 U.S. out-the-door. |
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