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Car Forum / Chrysler Cars / December 2004Chrysler/GM to team up on hybrids
http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/13/pf/autos/chrysler_gm.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes By 2007, it may be too late. Should have licensed Toyota technology like Ford to get in the game faster. > http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/13/pf/autos/chrysler_gm.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes > > By 2007, it may be too late. Should have licensed Toyota technology like > Ford to get in the game faster. Sounds like they're planning on jumping in with a significantly more advanced technology. That might mean they wind up trumping Toyota pretty soundly, depending on how fast Toyota can roll out their own new tech. Right now, hybrids are only a little better than a novelty because there are gasoline and diesel compacts that get significantly better mileage than the hybrids. And where have all the first-gen Priuses and Insights gone? I almost never see one anymore. | > http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/13/pf/autos/chrysler_gm.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes | > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] | mileage than the hybrids. And where have all the first-gen Priuses and | Insights gone? I almost never see one anymore. You see them all over the place here...especially the Prius. You even see an occasional Civic hybrid. On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, James C. Reeves wrote (with improper quote characters yet again...) > | mileage than the hybrids. And where have all the first-gen Priuses and > | Insights gone? I almost never see one anymore. > You see them all over the place here...especially the Prius. You even > see an occasional Civic hybrid. The Civic hybrid is a *current* model. Steve was asking about the *FIRST* generation Prius and Insight. | On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, James C. Reeves wrote (with improper quote characters | yet again...) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | The Civic hybrid is a *current* model. Steve was asking about the *FIRST* | generation Prius and Insight. I missed that point. :-( I never did see many of the first generation models, even when they first came out. There is one Insight parked at the office building next door. The Insight sold poorly. I've only seen a few. There is tremendous demand for used Prius's around here in central NC. People are paying more for used models than what they originally sold for new. > | On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, James C. Reeves wrote (with improper quote > characters [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > models, even when they first came out. There is one Insight parked at the > office building next door. James: Fix your quote character, dammit! You've got it set to | It should be > > | On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, James C. Reeves wrote (with improper quote characters > | yet again...) [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > models, even when they first came out. There is one Insight parked at the > office building next door. I don't remember setting it for anything. But will check the settings. | James: Fix your quote character, dammit! | [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] | > models, even when they first came out. There is one Insight parked at the | > office building next door. Better? ;-) > James: Fix your quote character, dammit! > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> the >> office building next door. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaalelujah! Haaaaaaaaaaaaaalelujah! Halelujah! Halelujah! HaLAY-LOO-YAAAAAAH! > Better? ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >> the > >> office building next door. Glad to have made your day in such a Devine way! :-) What was the character doing to your news reader? Just curious. On the surface it *seemed* benign enough. > Haaaaaaaaaaaaaalelujah! > Haaaaaaaaaaaaaalelujah! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >> Better? ;-) > Glad to have made your day in such a Devine way! :-) Can't talk. Basking in divine beatitude. > What was the character doing to your news reader? Foozling its ability to rejustify paragraphs that included (anywhere in the quote-character string) anything other than >. > Better? ;-) Much. Thanks.  SignatureJoseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605 Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002 New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer Back when I worked for General Electric Semiconductor division, we were always reminded that by the time we perfected our new breakthru technology the old technology might be improved and just as good. >> http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/13/pf/autos/chrysler_gm.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > than the hybrids. And where have all the first-gen Priuses and Insights > gone? I almost never see one anymore. > And where have all the first-gen Priuses and > Insights gone? I almost never see one anymore. I rarely saw them when they were new. I hear some of the hybrids are herky-jerky when they shift from battery to engine. In any case, the enthusiasm will wear off after the warranties expire. How're you going to sell that hybrid when its out of warranty, 10 years old and needs a $3000 battery? Every dollar you ever save will go into battery replacement AFTER WARRANTY. Your're not going to save gas on the open highway; in fact, the mileage will be worse since you have to drag around about 350 pounds of dead weight in battery, motor and controls. Look, folks, what the world needs is more diesel engines, not gas-electrics. Your're not going to get diesels unless you go into the showrooms and ask for one. When the salesman says they don't come that way, walk out. A few tens of thousands of you doing that might get those lard a.s detroit managers talking to their Nazi counterparts in Stuttgart and get the diesel engine line moving again. tedm@toybox.placo.com wrote: >Yes, we all want to pay $2.29 a gallon for Diesel instead of $1.84 a >gallon for >gasoline Diesel should cost less than gasoline because its less costly to refine. I suspect the higher prices are due to the tax structure designed to gouge users and possibly social engineering to discourage its use. Even at its higher pump cost, there is still substantial savings in city driving, otherwise Peterbuilt would install spark ignition engines in their truck tractors. There is a way to fuel your diesel car on the cheap. If you live in an area of the Country that is supplied by home heating oil, you can divert that into your auto fuel tank and save at least $1 a gallon. No, it won't ruin the injectors. Some might tell you its against the law to bypass road taxes. Nothing could be further from the truth. Here's the logic. Suppose you could run your engine on tap water. Do you suppose the Government would forbid you from filling up with your garden hose? Of course not. You can put anything you want in your tank. Its your tank. |
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