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Car Forum / Chrysler Cars / January 200593 3.3 DRB II Scan tool
Where can I get a DRB II scan tool for this engine ? I see much relating to the ODB scan tool but not much about the DRB II. thanks, nick There were a few on line thru e bay not 2 long ago, or contact your local dealer > Where can I get a DRB II scan tool for this engine ? I see much relating to > the ODB scan tool but not much about the DRB II. > > thanks, > nick DRB means "Diagnostic Readout Box", and was Chrysler's name for its own OBD ("Onboard Diagnostics") scan tool. The DRB II was the 2nd version of the DRB, and the DRB III was the 3rd version. All of the DRBs were made by OTC (Something Tool Company), who also sold their own scanner called the Monitor (Monitor 2000, Monitor 4000, etc.). There are many scanners that will work with your '93. I use a Monitor 4000, which I bought on eBay. If I were going to do it again, I might get a Snap-On MT2500 instead. DS > Where can I get a DRB II scan tool for this engine ? I see much relating to > the ODB scan tool but not much about the DRB II. > > thanks, > nick May I post to this DS? It isnt the original post but the 3rd one on my screen. (OTC) Ottawanna Tool Company was the company that made em, you can buy the DBRIII from Chrysler which will let you do more and see more on the scanner then the snap on and all the other generics, it will cover up to some 2005 models > DRB means "Diagnostic Readout Box", and was Chrysler's name for its own > OBD ("Onboard Diagnostics") scan tool. The DRB II was the 2nd version of [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > thanks, > > nick > May I post to this DS? It isnt the original post but the 3rd one on my > screen. (OTC) Ottawanna Owatonna > Tool Company was the company that made em, you can > buy the DBRIII from Chrysler which will let you do more and see more on the > scanner then the snap on and all the other generics, it will cover up to > some 2005 models Except that the OP asked about a "DRBII" and he's looking to use it on a 93 MY vehicle in which case the Snap-On or OTC 4000 will suffice just fine. exactly, but my posts are for others to read to if they are interested, some may want info on the DRBIII and what it does. therefore i covered all > > May I post to this DS? It isnt the original post but the 3rd one on my > > screen. (OTC) Ottawanna [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > it on a 93 MY vehicle in which case the Snap-On or OTC 4000 will > suffice just fine. > exactly, but my posts are for others to read to if they are interested, some > may want info on the DRBIII and what it does. therefore i covered all All that does is confuse the issue. Perhaps a new post would be more appropriate? > > exactly, but my posts are for others to read to if they are > > interested, some may want info on the DRBIII and what it does. > > therefore i covered all > All that does is confuse the issue. Perhaps a new post would be > more appropriate? Maxpower's rather feeble in the brains department. The idea of a new thread for a new topic is probably rather beyond his grasp. Still having that hard time sleeping? > > > exactly, but my posts are for others to read to if they are > > > interested, some may want info on the DRBIII and what it does. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Maxpower's rather feeble in the brains department. The idea of a new > thread for a new topic is probably rather beyond his grasp. max you will find neil know's all and thinks with his ego instead of his intelligence but still a good man > exactly, but my posts are for others to read to if they are interested, some > may want info on the DRBIII and what it does. therefore i covered all [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > it on a 93 MY vehicle in which case the Snap-On or OTC 4000 will > > suffice just fine. > max you will find neil know's all and thinks with his ego instead of his > intelligence but still a good man Maybe you two should get together and have a good cry. sounds like a plan, are you hosting the meet? > > max you will find neil know's all and thinks with his ego instead of his > > intelligence but still a good man > > Maybe you two should get together and have a good cry. > sounds like a plan, are you hosting the meet? Those factory labor times are really cutting into your take-home pay, 'eh? not yet, the ink pen still works for me > > sounds like a plan, are you hosting the meet? > > Those factory labor times are really cutting into your take-home > pay, 'eh? naw warranty work is not a common thing anymore see the thing is, the common person can't work on their own vehicle anymore for the most part so we are making a ton of money then add to that america is generally getting lazier we techs are making more than we have before > > sounds like a plan, are you hosting the meet? > > Those factory labor times are really cutting into your take-home > pay, 'eh? > naw warranty work is not a common thing anymore Sure. > see the thing is, the common person can't work on their own vehicle > anymore for the most part No sh.t? Gee, when did this all start? > so we are making a ton of money then add to that > america is generally getting lazier we techs are making more than we > have before That's very profound Darryl, it's like saying "I'm older then I've ever been before." There are a few in here like that, It dont mater to me, I dont get into the political arguments in here with people, Hey are you guys staying busy at the shop? > max you will find neil know's all and thinks with his ego instead of his > intelligence but still a good man [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > it on a 93 MY vehicle in which case the Snap-On or OTC 4000 will > > > suffice just fine. > There are a few in here like that, It dont mater to me, I dont get into the > political arguments in here with people, Hey are you guys staying busy at > the shop? Which political argument was that Glen? man we are are getting overrun the hours are racking up > There are a few in here like that, It dont mater to me, I dont get into the > political arguments in here with people, Hey are you guys staying busy at [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > > > it on a 93 MY vehicle in which case the Snap-On or OTC 4000 will > > > > suffice just fine. > May I post to this DS? It isnt the original post but the 3rd one on my > screen. (OTC) Ottawanna Tool Company was the company that made em, you can > buy the DBRIII from Chrysler which will let you do more and see more on the > scanner then the snap on and all the other generics, it will cover up to > some 2005 models OK, for all you guys (and gals) that have an extra $6000 burning a hole in your pocket, here's a link so you can buy your very own new DRB !! :-) https://techauthority.gltghosting.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ScanToolFlye r But seriously, for a 1993 (pre-OBD2) all you need is an OTC Monitor 4000E, a cartridge 1993 or newer, and if you are the unfortunate owner of an A-604 4 speed electronic transmission too, then you need the Chrysler A-604 Transmission & Chassis (CCD) Adapter to go with it. You can readily pick up the scanner and cartridge on Ebay for roughly $75 or less. The CCD adapter is a little harder to find on Ebay, but they appear occasionally for anywhere from $20-$50. > > May I post to this DS? It isnt the original post but the 3rd one on my > > screen. (OTC) Ottawanna Tool Company was the company that made em, you [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > OK, for all you guys (and gals) that have an extra $6000 burning a hole in > your pocket, here's a link so you can buy your very own new DRB !! :-) https://techauthority.gltghosting.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ScanToolFlye > r > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > is a little harder to find on Ebay, but they appear occasionally for > anywhere from $20-$50. Unless of course you want to bleed your ABS brakes in which case only a DRB will work. I have a OTC Monitor 4000E with all the stuff mentioned above. Only problem is who was the bozo who decided the engine compartment was a good place for the engine diagnostic connector? Kind of makes road tests a bit impossible. Ted That would have been Chrysler and with our DRB, we have no problem with the connection, it wasnt designed for your OTC monitor.....just curious, how long is the cable on your tester?, > > > May I post to this DS? It isnt the original post but the 3rd one on my > > > screen. (OTC) Ottawanna Tool Company was the company that made em, you [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > OK, for all you guys (and gals) that have an extra $6000 burning a hole in > > your pocket, here's a link so you can buy your very own new DRB !! :-) https://techauthority.gltghosting.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ScanToolFlye > > r > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Ted > Unless of course you want to bleed your ABS brakes in which case only a DRB > will > work. If you're speaking of the infamous Bendix 10 ABS system that was used from 1990-1993, then a scanner isn't required to bleed the brakes (but is for diagnostics). I've never had to use one to bleed, and the FSM doesn't mention the need for one either. OTC did put out an ABS catridge for the 4000E but I have no idea if it covered Chrysler ABS. > I have a OTC Monitor 4000E with all the stuff mentioned above. Only problem > is who was the bozo who decided the engine compartment was a good place > for the engine diagnostic connector? Kind of makes road tests a bit > impossible. Not at all. You need an extension cable. OTC makes one and you can find them on Ebay. I don't have the part number handy. There is no option to bleed the brakes on the DRB but when you go into acuate/hydraulic and then open and close the solonoids it makes bleeding the system very easy and fast. alot of Techs dont know this because it wasnt written in any of the diagnostic books > > Unless of course you want to bleed your ABS brakes in which case only a > DRB [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > on Ebay. I don't have the part number > handy. > > Unless of course you want to bleed your ABS brakes in which case only a > DRB [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > OTC did put out an ABS catridge for the 4000E but I have no idea if it > covered Chrysler ABS. No it does not. I have an e-mail from OTC directly on this, Chrysler did not release ABS info for either the Bendix 10 or the Bendix 4 (which I have) OTC has no tool that will bleed them. You don't need a tool to bleed ABS unless the system gets air in it. Once the ABS unit gets air in it you can only bleed it properly by opening all the selonoids with a DRB. Presumably if your on top of the brakes, and catch leaks early, this won't happen. > > I have a OTC Monitor 4000E with all the stuff mentioned above. Only > problem [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > on Ebay. I don't have the part number > handy. No big deal, the cable uses a standard DIN, I wouldn't be much of a tech if I couldn't make an extension cable myself now, would I? It's just the moronic positioning of the engine connector in the compartment, instead of under the dash like everyone else. Ted You can buy a DRB scan tool from Chrysler. It's listed on the their Tech Pubs site. But I don't think you will want one when you see the price. It's over $6,000. Take Daniel Stern's advice and use an OTC scanner. A OTC2000 or OTC 4000 will do fine for a 93. You can find them very reasonable on eBay. Ebay had the complete kit, wires, DRB3 and cards for 2000.00. There are lots of the old DRB2 on there also In article <4d81fb0e390ab2f3143312ed37fad01b@localhost.talkaboutautos.com>, > Ebay had the complete kit, wires, DRB3 and cards for 2000.00. There are > lots of the old DRB2 on there also That's great if all you're ever likely to work on is ChryCo vehicles, the OTC and the Snap-On will work on a variety of domestics, Asian imports and European imports not to mention that the OTC and S-O often come with troubleshooting software that would be a great assistance for the DIYer who doesn't have ready access to specifications, sensor values or known insider fixes (silver bullets). I think once a DIYer invests in such a tool, he'd be anxious to amatorize out his investment using on friends and family vehicles also. The DRB3 is also a generic scan tool which will do all 96 models that are OBD2 ready > In article > <4d81fb0e390ab2f3143312ed37fad01b@localhost.talkaboutautos.com>, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > amatorize out his investment using on friends and family vehicles > also. actually if you were as smart as you are a smart a.s you would know that the drb3 works on all vehicles in the us market for pulling emission codes > In article > <4d81fb0e390ab2f3143312ed37fad01b@localhost.talkaboutautos.com>, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > amatorize out his investment using on friends and family vehicles > also. > actually if you were as smart as you are a smart a.s you would know that the > drb3 works on all vehicles in the us market for pulling emission codes Okay, Glen says that the DRBIII will do generic OBD2 on 96 and newer, you say that it will work on all vehicles in the U.S. market. Which one of you should we believe? When you say that it will pull "emissions codes," at best one might believe that it will pull generic OBD2 codes which means that it lacks manufacturer specific or enhanced code/data stream capability which in effect means that in the mode you cite, it's 1/4 to 1/3 of a scan tool on non ChryCo vehicles. When you get the chance, see how well it does on an OBD2 Ford at retrieving miss-fire data; current and historical. Since the NGS doesn't even do miss-fires and it's the factory tool for Fords, the DRB would be one hell of a tool. Hey Mic, I posted to you on the last one that was directed to your a.shole fan cuda, Damn eyes dont work the way they used to, But the DRB3 will work on any vehicle with the OBD2 connector, you just gotta make sure you set it up as a generic scan tool at the start. It does show values sensors and code, and can also use the dual trace lab scope with them also In article <3e18b4b80041fa21935f02edcefa8826@localhost.talkaboutautos.com>, > Hey Mic, I posted to you on the last one that was directed to your a.shole > fan cuda, Damn eyes dont work the way they used to, But the DRB3 will > work on any vehicle with the OBD2 connector, you just gotta make sure you > set it up as a generic scan tool at the start. "Generic scan tool", same as what an OTC or Snap-On will do, same as what a $99 Harbor Freight scan tool will do. He should spend six thousand dollars (read: wipe his a.s with $100 bills) for -what- reason again? > It does show values sensors But not ALL sensor values, and he'd be limited to the generic OBD2 stuff, excluding any use on ABS, body computer, transmission computer on non ChryCo stuff since none of it is part of the OBD2 protocol. > and code, Generic OBD2 codes, no manufacture specific or enhanced codes, no ABS codes, not transmission codes on non ChryCo vehicles. And Mode 6, is that displayed as hexidecimal? Does he get to stay chained to his PC so he can do the conversions, if so, he might just as well buy scan tool software for $200-$500. > and can also use the dual trace lab scope with them also WOW, dual trace lab scope. The rest of us have graduated to 4 trace and 8 trace lab scopes. And in the end, the DIYer OP still doesn't receive the benefit of Pathfinder or Troubleshooter software. Sorry Glen, your recommendations for a phallic extension totally miss the mark. yea i know i used it to show a misifre on a ford with a bad coil pac > Hey Mic, I posted to you on the last one that was directed to your a.shole > fan cuda, Damn eyes dont work the way they used to, But the DRB3 will > work on any vehicle with the OBD2 connector, you just gotta make sure you > set it up as a generic scan tool at the start. It does show values sensors > and code, and can also use the dual trace lab scope with them also > yea i know i used it to show a misifre on a ford with a bad coil pac Really Darryl? What model and year was it? full size van with a 5.4 2001 > > yea i know i used it to show a misifre on a ford with a bad coil pac > > Really Darryl? > > What model and year was it? > full size van with a 5.4 2001 > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > What model and year was it? Sorry, no coil "pac" on that vehicle. Try again. it was a while ago so i might have the year wrong but it was there on a van with a 5.4 i also got 8.0 for replacing plugs removal of intake a help but not nessary is the same neil of Wisconsin that has numinous complaints against his certs??? just wondering > > full size van with a 5.4 2001 > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Try again. > it was a while ago so i might have the year wrong but it was there on a van > with a 5.4 I will state it again; The Ford 5.4 liter engine doesn't use and has never used "coil packs." > i also got 8.0 for replacing plugs removal of intake a help but not nessary Do we even want to know who financed that rip off? > is the same neil of Wisconsin that has numinous complaints against his > certs??? What "certs?" There is no such thing as "certs' in Wisconsin. > just wondering Yeah, me too. I'm wondering if both of these stories are a figment of your imagination or if they're the bald faced lies they appear to be. i was also wondering when i gods name were you going to stop picking fights and start offering some real advice here seems to me only fools quarrel and you seem to do that the most > > full size van with a 5.4 2001 > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Try again. > i was also wondering when i gods name were you going to stop picking fights > and start offering some real advice here > seems to me only fools quarrel and you seem to do that the most What's the matter, am I making you uncomfortable every time I catch you in a lie? No "coil packs" on a Ford 5.4 liter V-8, never has been. Ya know Darryl, if you're going to tell tall tales, you should research the subject a little better. As for offering advice, I do. Contrary to your buddy Glen who totally choked on that 96 LHS that barely ran, hell, he was selling them cam and crank sensors that they didn't need. You dealership guys crack me up, if there isn't a trouble code or a TSB, you're LOST! There you go again ramping and going on . Im not going to look for the post but im familiar with what I say,, If this is the one you are refering to, im sure if you look it asks what are the fault codes? Depending on what post you are refering to it may say due to extreme mileage I would at least replace the cam and crank, If you are refering to the one with the cold exhaust I dont believe it says replace the cam and crank sensor, it may say plug misfiring or something like that because the way I read the post was, it was still driveable, But by the way a.shole, I dont have the car in my garage here, im simply giving advise on the info I get, I dont wait for the fix to come out and then post how everyone is wrong as you do.but im sure you will locate it and twist it around as you do with all posts in here, must be hard living a life as an a.shole like yourself, Poor kid must of had his mommy and daddy beat him as a kid, you can still get help for this you know?? > > i was also wondering when i gods name were you going to stop picking fights > > and start offering some real advice here [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > You dealership guys crack me up, if there isn't a trouble code or > a TSB, you're LOST! > There you go again ramping and going on . "Ramping?" > Im not going to look for the post > but im familiar with what I say,, If this is the one you are refering to, im [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > plug misfiring or something like that because the way I read the post was, > it was still driveable, It was the one with the cold exhaust, here is your second (nonsensical) reply; ------------------------------------------------------------------ > In article <VZGdnUVRTfZt4kXcRVn-hQ@comcast.com>, > "maxpower" <damnnickname@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > to the problem. When was the last time this car had plugs and wires > > installed?. ------------------------------------------------------------------ All you managed to come up with was to throw some un-needed parts at the problem. > But by the way a.shole, I dont have the car in my > garage here, im simply giving advise on the info I get, Neither do I. But the clues the OP was giving made it pretty obvious. > I dont wait for the > fix to come out and then post how everyone is wrong as you do. I didn't post that "everyone" was wrong, just you hotshot. > but im sure > you will locate it and twist it around as you do with all posts in here, Not "all" the posts, just yours hotshot. > must be hard living a life as an a.shole like yourself, Poor kid must of had > his mommy and daddy beat him as a kid, you can still get help for this you > know?? You're not much better as a Psychiatrist... OK threatened little boy . If the check engine lite was going off and on as you were driving it, that indicates a cylinder misfire( IS THIS TRUE LITTLE BOY CUDA?? You say it was pinging, that may be a faulty crank or cam sensor causing that and the misfire at the same time(((.NOTICE THE WORD "MAY" LITTLE BOY? )) I would have the PCM scanned for all fault codes. With that many miles on the vehicle......and if they were never replaced.......I would replace both cam and crank sensors even if the codes are not related( OK FOR THE LAME AGAIN))) SEE WHERE IT SAYS IF THEY WERE NEVER REPLACED I WOULD REPLACE THEM EVEN IF IT ISNT RELATED TO THE PROBLEM?? sorta like a maintenance thing, remember when we replaced the condensor and points on vehicles for maintenance to prevent break downs on the road, well once again, for the lame, thats why I said that, but then again, you may not be old enough to remember those vehicles When was the last time this car had plugs and wires installed?. AND THE LAST QUESTION TO NARROW IT DOWN WAS NEVER ANSWERED LITTLE BOY All you managed to come up with was to throw some un-needed parts at the problem?? WHERE? THE QUESTIONS WERE NEVER ANSWERED THREATENED LITTLE BOY? . I didn't post that "everyone" was wrong, just you hotshot. Not "all" the posts, just yours hotshot.( AND ONCE AGAIN THREATENED BY THE DEALER TECHNICIANS) what a tough life you live, WHATS THE MATTER THE WIFE ISNT GOING TO GIVE YOU THE ARGUMENT SO YOU HAVE TO GET IT IN HERE, LIKE I SAID YOU CAN GET HELP FOR THIS PROBLEM OF YOURS > > There you go again ramping and going on . > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > You're not much better as a Psychiatrist... > OK threatened little boy It is you who appears threatened... > If the check engine lite was > going off and on as you were driving it, that indicates a cylinder > misfire( IS THIS TRUE LITTLE BOY CUDA?? Might be true, but I wasn't there to see it. But a misfire indication does not automatically point to any of the components that you would have shotgunned onto that car. > You say it was pinging, that may be a faulty crank or cam sensor > causing that and the misfire at the same time(((.NOTICE THE WORD "MAY" > LITTLE BOY? )) I don't recall ever claiming that the engine was pinging, how would I know if it was pinging such that I could/would make such a claim? > I would have the PCM scanned for all fault codes. Okay, what is the fault code for the right side camshaft being out of synch with the crankshaft? > With that many miles on the vehicle......and if they were never replaced.......I > would replace both cam and crank sensors even if the codes are not [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > again, for the lame, thats why I said that, but then again, you may not be > old enough to remember those vehicles I've looked and looked at the maintenance schedule for a 96 Lh car with 3.5 litter engine, I don't see any recommendation from the factory for periodic replacement of either the cam position sensor -or- the crankshaft position sensor. So tell us, after you've spent a bunch of the customers money and the damn thing still doesn't run, what excuses do you give the customer for failing to complete the requested task? You're a parts changer. A week ago you were bragging about the labscope functions that your pretty little DRB3 has, yet you still haven't made mention of using it -before- replacing known good parts with someone else's money. > When was the last time this car had plugs and wires installed?. AND THE LAST > QUESTION TO NARROW IT DOWN WAS NEVER ANSWERED LITTLE BOY The problem was pretty much narrowed down when the OP described that there was a VACUUM on the right side exhaust pipe. Do explain for us how that can happen because of a bad spark plug, bad plug wire, bad crank sensor, bad cam sensor or anything else besides incorrect cam timing. > All you managed to come up with was to throw some un-needed parts at the > problem?? WHERE? THE QUESTIONS WERE NEVER ANSWERED THREATENED LITTLE BOY? YOU totally blew the clues jackass. > . > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ISNT GOING TO GIVE YOU THE ARGUMENT SO YOU HAVE TO GET IT IN HERE, LIKE I > SAID YOU CAN GET HELP FOR THIS PROBLEM OF YOURS I should feel threatened by a bunch of parts changers that can't put two and two together? Har! You're a joke. Things are a little different when Chrysler isn't paying the bills and you actually have to perform in order to receive a paycheck. You'd starve outside the dealership once a person with a brain started questioning the reasons for you replacing parts needlessly. IOWs, go tell it to your "I can't wait to get off this crappy job" zone rep. I've looked and looked at the maintenance schedule for a 96 Lh >car with 3.5 litter engine, I don't see any recommendation from >the factory for periodic replacement of either the cam position >sensor -or- the crankshaft position sensor. look and look for the maintenance schedule for a timing chain, on the 3.3, theres not one, but you still replace it when the mileage gets up there. use your head >I don't recall ever claiming that the engine was pinging, how >would I know if it was pinging such that I could/would make such >a claim?NO THE ORIGINAL POSTER DID, which led me to belive it was driving good except maybe a misfire So tell us, after you've spent a bunch of the customers money and >the damn thing still doesn't run, what excuses do you give the >customer for failing to complete the requested task? LMAO I WOULD TELL HIM TO BRING IT IN THE SHOP SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND TELL HIM EXACTLY WHAT THE PROBLEM IS INSTEAD OF HELPING HIM OUT ON HERE, DUDE YOU NEED SERIOUS HELP I WILL END THIS THREAD ON THAT NOTE, YOU ARE REALLY MAKING THE INDEPENDENTS LOOK GOOD NOW aarcuda69062 wrote in message ... >> OK threatened little boy > [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] >IOWs, go tell it to your "I can't wait to get off this crappy >job" zone rep. > I've looked and looked at the maintenance schedule for a 96 Lh > >car with 3.5 litter engine, I don't see any recommendation from [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > theres not one, but you still replace it when the mileage gets up there. > use your head Really? That's odd since I have customers who's 3.3 minivans are approaching 300K miles on the original timing chains and sprockets. Do tell, at what mileage are you shotgunning timing chains at on the poor bozos who are dumb enough to fall for your ploy? > >I don't recall ever claiming that the engine was pinging, how > >would I know if it was pinging such that I could/would make such > >a claim?NO THE ORIGINAL POSTER DID, which led me to belive it was driving > good except maybe a misfire So why did you claim that I had said that? And FWIW, the OP clearly stated that his sisters LHS had no power and barely ran. You REALLY need to pay attention a little bit better. > So tell us, after you've spent a bunch of the customers money and > >the damn thing still doesn't run, what excuses do you give the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > HELP I WILL END THIS THREAD ON THAT NOTE, YOU ARE REALLY MAKING THE > INDEPENDENTS LOOK GOOD NOW So, you're saying that you'd have to have it in the shop in front of your eyes before it would occur to you to check the cam timing. <rolls eyes> On a first generation LH car. <rolls eyes> You've been working as a mechanic how long again? <snort, chuckle, guffaw> Why do you post to usenet if you can't think past the end of your nose Glen? nice try but u are wrong you still drivng the slug of a cuda > > i was also wondering when i gods name were you going to stop picking fights > > and start offering some real advice here [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > You dealership guys crack me up, if there isn't a trouble code or > a TSB, you're LOST! > nice try but u are wrong Sorry Bozo, there are no "coil pacs" on a Ford 5.4 V-8 engine. Think up better lies next time. > you still drivng the slug of a cuda No dip sh.t, it's put away for the winter. Did you ever find a set of Dart cylinder heads for a small block Chrysler? -That- one was a real knee slapper. I work on Chryslers, I just know it will pull codes and certain things, that is why it is generic > > actually if you were as smart as you are a smart a.s you would know that the > > drb3 works on all vehicles in the us market for pulling emission codes [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > doesn't even do miss-fires and it's the factory tool for Fords, > the DRB would be one hell of a tool. > I work on Chryslers, I just know it will pull codes and certain things, that > is why it is generic Obviously you don't know the definition of "generic" as applied to OBD2 diagnostics. In this case, it means that the user will get some very basic rudimentary information, i.e., a few codes and a few sensors. The OP could have so much more in the way of versatility for much less money. Cost versus benefit, it isn't -that- hard to figure out. Yes I no that is what that means, If you read I said it reads faults and values, I do know it wont do everything because its GENERIC, and I understand that for someone who wants to use it for a certain car would be better off with an after market tester,I dont work on fords, chevy or anything else therefore i dont know what it can do except read values and codes. You and a number of your idiot friends such as Daniel Stern try to analyze everything and turn it into bullshit debates.....<<you just gotta make sure you set it up as a generic scan tool at the start. It does show values sensors and code, and can also use the dual trace lab scope with them also>>>> In this case, it means that the user will get some very basic > rudimentary information, i.e., a few codes and a few sensors. VERY GOOD 937DF2.14360407012005@newsclstr01.news.prodigy.com... > > I work on Chryslers, I just know it will pull codes and certain things, that > > is why it is generic [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Cost versus benefit, it isn't -that- hard to figure out. > Yes I no that is what that means, If you read I said it reads faults and > values, I do know it wont do everything because its GENERIC, But your buddy Darryl claimed that it would. Now, with both of you being the pride <chuckle> of Dodge and Chrysler dealerships world wide, don't you think that there should be some agreement in the claims that the two of you make? >and I understand that for someone who wants to use it for a >certain car would be better off with an after market tester, No, you don't understand that. if you did, you wouldn't have been insisting otherwise, which is exactly what you've been doing all though this discussion contrary to the fact that the OP was inquiring about a DRB 2* not a DRB 3* (* 2* and 3* used because ol' Glen is having eyeball problems.) > I dont work on fords, chevy or > anything else therefore i dont know what it can do except read values and > codes. It reads a very abbreviated list of values and codes, a minor point that would certainly leave the OP dissatisfied should he wish to expand his usage even a little bit. > You and a number of your idiot friends such as Daniel Stern try to > analyze everything and turn it into bullshit debates..... No Glen, it's called providing information. Since all you work on is Chrysler, your advice WRT a capitol piece of equipment is based upon very limited knowledge. The bullshit happens when guys like you with tunnel vision start insisting that what YOU are familiar with is better than what someone else who DOES work on all makes knows, and that is on top of the fact that I used to sell about one million dollars worth of this stuff every year. <<you just gotta > make sure you > set it up as a generic scan tool at the start. Which pretty much makes it as useful as tits on a fish. > It does show values sensors > and code, and can also use the dual trace lab scope with them also>> >> In this case, it means that the user will get some very basic > > rudimentary information, i.e., a few codes and a few sensors. >VERY GOOD Is that supposed to mean something? "maxpower" <damnnickname@yahoo.com> wrote: > Daniel Stern try to analyze everything and turn it into bullshit > debates..... Visualize using your brain. yea it means alot, grow up > > Yes I no that is what that means, If you read I said it reads faults and > > values, I do know it wont do everything because its GENERIC, [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Is that supposed to mean something? > yea it means alot, grow up Sucks being the shop dunce, eh? Let me spell it out, You independent guys were always threatened by the dealer, you always thought you were being unfair, left out and you felt unwanted. Now that someone comes in the news group that knows what they are doing, you guys feel threatened again, like little children having your lolly pop taken away.. I have read so many replys that make no sense whats so ever, but noticed the independents dont worry about them because they arent threatened, Mr voltmeter, or Daniel complains of my typing and punctuation and anyhting that he see's. It really is ashame that you guys feel so threatened. i wont take any work away from you guys, or try to take away your SAE standards. I know we cant give you all everything that we have in our testers, and we are trying to make all the values and sensors the same. We are trying to make all the books the same. You just relax, I know the cars are getting harder and more complicated to work on for you all, But as they come out, we will still try and find the problems and put out the TSB's for you all to make it easy, In the mean time, if you dont want to feel threatened by me, Hey dont read my Posts, ask your kids, they can probably tell you that. Darn I forgot to capitalizean "I" now what ? > > yea it means alot, grow up > > Sucks being the shop dunce, eh? > Let me spell it out, Oooo, this ought to be good. > You independent guys were always threatened by the > dealer, Funny, every time the subject comes up in industry publications, it's the other way around. GM, Ford and Chrysler are spending millions of dollars trying to woo the customers back to the dealership service department. And honestly, why would anyone feel threatened by a situation where line mechanics have to give a manufacturer a 33% discount on their labors? Are all the Ford dealership mechanics in St. Louis still on strike over labor times Glen? Should I be threatened by that? > you always thought you were being unfair, left out and you felt > unwanted. We always thought we were being unfair? I always thought I were being unfair? Is the above statement of your supposed to make sense? > Now that someone comes in the news group that knows what they are > doing, you guys feel threatened again, Someone who knows what they are doing? Where? When? > like little children having your > lolly pop taken away.. You know, it's funny that you bring up lolly pops, because that exactly reminds me of your little DRB3 diatribe. Little Glen wants to show off his lolly pop. > I have read so many replys that make no sense whats > so ever, You know what, so have I? Like just within the last day or so, someone posted a reply to someone who is having engine trouble and the person having trouble remarked that the right side exhaust pipe is stone cold and that they had a vacuum on the right side exhaust pipe, but the person offering advice said that they doubted that it could be a cam timing problem. Maybe you missed that particular exchange... ... oh wait, you were part of it. Yup, no sense what so ever. especially since it takes all of 10 minutes to verify cam timing on a 3.5 liter LH car. > but noticed the independents dont worry about them because they > arent threatened, Mr voltmeter, or Daniel complains of my typing and > punctuation and anyhting that he see's. Is it any wonder, especially since you managed to make a contraction out of the word "see?" > It really is ashame that you guys > feel so threatened. Trust me, I don't feel threatened, I do feel embarrassed however. > i wont take any work away from you guys, You mean like the customer a few weeks ago? He went to the Dodge dealer with his 2001 Ram 1500 4X4 for a loose steering complaint three different times, they couldn't or wouldn't help him. Three different times he asked them to TAKE his money. He got my name from a co-worker, the truck needed new tie rod ends and a track bar. Nice fat juicy job that the dealership didn't get or didn't want. (why would they turn down gravy front end work?) Or how about the 97 Tahoe with the SES light on and failed emissions because of said light being on, dealership told her she needed two new cats and all four O2 sensors, damn near $2000 on the estimate. Luckily her father is a friend of mine and he sent her over, did some tests, hung a fuel filter on it, drove it until the monitors had run and ran it thru the test station for her, all for under $100. Yeah Glen, I feel -real- threatened. Please, keep using that ball point pen to fix cars 'cause I'm loving every minute of it. > or try to take > away your SAE standards. Our what? > I know we cant give you all everything that we have > in our testers, We? FWIW, I already have the testers. > and we are trying to make all the values and sensors the > same. Oh, good. I was worried because about twelve years ago, I turned down a job with the company Chrysler sub-contracts their training out to. Glad to see that it's being handled. > We are trying to make all the books the same. We? I remind you, you are just a dealership shlep, and you know full well that the service department is the a.shole of the dealership. > You just relax, I know > the cars are getting harder and more complicated to work on for you all, Actually, given the level of diagnostic capability, I think they're getting easier. Hell, the information I want from my AAR is a hell of a lot harder to come by when compared to plugging into the diagnostic port of my Intrepid or my Dakota. Of course, I can see how someone such as yourself with a comprehension problem might feel that way. > But as they come out, we will still try and find the problems and put out the > TSB's for you all to make it easy, Really, have you authored many TSBs Glen? Some how, I doubt it. > In the mean time, if you dont want to > feel threatened by me, Hey dont read my Posts, ask your kids, they can > probably tell you that. Darn I forgot to capitalizean "I" now what ? " Capitalizean?" Folks, this is the man who [didn't] fix your car while it was under warranty, are there any questions? Ahh, that Chrysler could only see the efforts you go to to make bad PR. An intelligent person would have picked this up easy when you asked about Chrysler warranty pay and my comment was that my ink pen still works for me. You use you ink pen (and for those lame people that dont undertsand) that means documenting the RO for Chrysler to pay you, if you dont write it up , you dont get paid.Perfect example of analyzing what I post to degrade > Folks, this is the man who [didn't] fix your car while it was > under warranty, are there any questions? AND HERE AGAIN PERFECT EXAMPLE<< Now that someone comes in the news group that knows what they are doing, you guys feel threatened again, like little children having your lolly pop taken away.. Trying to get other to help with you degrade, Im sure you will find a few to help out, but if I could only cut and paste some of the e mails that I get from other posters in here about you and a few others,,,,,,,,,,,it would really wake you up and let you see what people think of you And once again another example<<< > > probably tell you that. Darn I forgot to capitalizean "I" now what ? >> " Capitalizean?" theres a space missing between capitalize (an) "I" now what? <<<<but then again, im starting to relizethngs anout you.. this is my last comment to you, I dont normally play your games this long, maybe when you grow up and dont feel so threatened you can try again. Have a good weekend, I hope I didnt ruin it for you > > Let me spell it out, > [quoted text clipped - 130 lines] > Ahh, that Chrysler could only see the efforts you go to to make > bad PR. > An intelligent person would have picked this up easy when you asked about > Chrysler warranty pay and my comment was that my ink pen still works for me. Yes, an intelligent person -would- have. You didn't, still haven't. Guess what that makes you? > You use you ink pen (and for those lame people that dont undertsand) that > means documenting the RO for Chrysler to pay you, if you dont write it up , > you dont get paid.Perfect example of analyzing what I post to degrade So, all one has to do is "write it up." Any questions folks? (you're doing fine Glen ;-) Here's a hint Glen; I've spent many years working in dealerships right next to mechanics exactly like you, guys who's number one tool is the pen, they fix nothing but they sure have the system locked down pat. They're not even considered to be a one trick pony, they're more like a zero trick pony. > > Folks, this is the man who [didn't] fix your car while it was > > under warranty, are there any questions? AND HERE AGAIN PERFECT EXAMPLE<< > Now that someone comes in the news group that knows what they are > doing, you guys feel threatened again, like little children having your > lolly pop taken away.. Again, what is it exactly that you are taking away? > Trying to get other to help with you degrade, Im > sure you will find a few to help out, You comprehend so poorly... I am merely showing people (with your help) how things work on the dealership end of auto repair. > but if I could only cut and paste some > of the e mails that I get from other posters in here about you and a few > others,,,,,,,,,,,it would really wake you up and let you see what people > think of you Yeah, if only you could cut and paste. Complicated task, that. Any questions folks? > And once again another example<<< > > > probably tell you that. Darn I forgot to capitalizean "I" now what ? > >> " Capitalizean?" > theres a space missing between capitalize (an) "I" now what? Now I explain that such habits are a strong indicator of someone who is lazy, pays no attention to detail and can't be bothered to perform the job completely. I explain that someone who has yet to master skills taught in the third grade, is unlikely to be able to perform the necessary tasks to properly repair a modern vehicle. <<<<but then > again, im starting to relizethngs anout you.. this is my last comment to > you, I dont normally play your games this long, maybe when you grow up and > dont feel so threatened you can try again. Again, what exactly is it that I'm being threatened by? You? Hah. Darryl? Hah-hah! > Have a good weekend, I hope I didnt ruin it for you The only thing that could ruin my weekend would be the prospect of spending one more minute working in another dealership. That is not true either pal, it shows sensor values, its used as a dual trace lab scope,its a number of things, Hey dont take it so serious, learn to enjoy life, dont be an a.s hole forever In article <28edcf3f07829aa2518a9031797e45d9@localhost.talkaboutautos.com>, > That is not true either pal, it shows sensor values, its used as a dual > trace lab scope,its a number of things, Hey dont take it so serious, learn > to enjoy life, dont be an a.s hole forever Since this is a reply to Darryl's post, it would appear that you're disagreeing with him, and calling him an a.shole. well read on pal......Hey Mic, I posted to you on the last one that was directed to your a.shole fan cuda, Damn eyes dont work the way they used to, > In article > <28edcf3f07829aa2518a9031797e45d9@localhost.talkaboutautos.com>, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Since this is a reply to Darryl's post, it would appear that > you're disagreeing with him, and calling him an a.shole. > well read on pal...... I did, all I saw was more of your inane ramblings. > Hey Mic, I posted to you on the last one that was > directed to your a.shole Young love... ...how romantic. Honestly you two, we really don't need to know the specifics, especially when you name body parts. > > well read on pal...... > > I did, all I saw was more of your inane ramblings. You expected anything brighter/better from "maxpower"...? In article <Pine.GSO.4.58.0501071607290.11644@alumni.engin.umich.edu>, > > > well read on pal...... > > > > I did, all I saw was more of your inane ramblings. > > You expected anything brighter/better from "maxpower"...? I guess we'll have to wait until he's moved up from the wash rack to new car prep. O yea volt meter, you left out the "S' in insane, you may want to retype it, that may cause your buddies on to freak out > > > well read on pal...... > > > > I did, all I saw was more of your inane ramblings. > > You expected anything brighter/better from "maxpower"...? 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