> I recently took my 1996 Plymouth Grand Voyager in to Canadian Tire (Had to
> use them as my mother was using her Canadian tire card to pay for the
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> belt has never come off before at all. Kind of strange why it is now coming
> off...?
My opinion. I would be very suspicious of the technician working on the
vehicle. But it sounds like it is to late to get your car out of there.
I have seen serpentine belts come apart and get tangled up into the crank
seal and power steering pump seal as well and cause major oil leaks.
Normally when I deal with oil leaks whether its P/S, Oil, Trans or whatever,
I use a dye and black lite to locate the leaks before anything, and that
includes before degreasing the engine.
>My question is this what could have caused the seal to blow in the rack and
> pinion.
Is this what was leaking all the time and was misdiagnosed? And is the
reason why the belt came apart due to a bad belt tensioner that wasnt caught
in the repair?
I dont think I would want that tire company working on my Bicycle.
Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech (my opinion only)
Tom B - 27 Jan 2005 20:09 GMT
> > I recently took my 1996 Plymouth Grand Voyager in to Canadian Tire (Had to
> > use them as my mother was using her Canadian tire card to pay for the
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> Glenn Beasley
> Chrysler Tech (my opinion only)
The belt tensioner was checked and found to be in good working condition.
The seal was not leaking at all on the rack and the only leak was found at
the power steering pump. He did not check for leaks with a dye and
blacklight either. I was standing beside him when he did the inspection so I
know for a fact that the only leak was coming from the power steering
pump.Thanks for your input...and yeah it is to late to take it someplace
else.....
David - 27 Jan 2005 21:44 GMT
How do you know if that was the only leak. Sounds to me like you never took
care of the thing and are now surprised at the problems that developed. If
the engine was totally covered with p.s. fluid, there couldn't have been
much in the rack, or reservoir. So guess what! your seals will fail.
>> > I recently took my 1996 Plymouth Grand Voyager in to Canadian Tire (Had
> to
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> pump.Thanks for your input...and yeah it is to late to take it someplace
> else.....
Joe - 28 Jan 2005 04:57 GMT
I had that experience - If it threw two belts off, I think you will need to
replace the tensioner bearing. If you look you may find the tensioner will
be riding a little out of alignment. If it's not that, then look at
everything else that the belt rides on and past. It's fairly simple
geometry. If it continues to throw the belt off then you should be very much
assured that one of the pullies somewhere is out of alignment or some object
is pushing it off.
Some times folks get mystified by cars, when they could probably reason
their way through a simple problem instead.
Tom B - 28 Jan 2005 06:29 GMT
Thanks Joe for the input. The tensioner was checked out during the initial
check and was found to be in proper working order and alignment. The first
belt did not come off but had a stand fray off the belt and got caught up on
the shaft of the power steering pump.This was the original belt so I was not
surprised that it finally failed. As far as it taking out the pump that was
due to just plain bad old luck I guess....The main concern I have is why did
the rack and pinion fail. Was it because the pump was defective and caused
an over pressure situation because they had to even replace the pump they
had just installed because the pump had blown out its own seals as well.
Tom.
> I had that experience - If it threw two belts off, I think you will need to
> replace the tensioner bearing. If you look you may find the tensioner will
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> Some times folks get mystified by cars, when they could probably reason
> their way through a simple problem instead.
David - 28 Jan 2005 12:52 GMT
> Thanks Joe for the input. The tensioner was checked out during the initial
> check and was found to be in proper working order and alignment. The first
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>> Some times folks get mystified by cars, when they could probably reason
>> their way through a simple problem instead.
Exactly! As you state it was the original belt, and you waited till it
failed! that is not proper maintenance. And now you wonder you it is leking!
Lets wait until the belt frays before changing! great job!
pawn, loathesome, credible - 29 Jan 2005 15:35 GMT
> Exactly! As you state it was the original belt, and you waited till it
> failed! that is not proper maintenance. And now you wonder you it is leking!
Are you even reading what he's saying?
Tom B - 29 Jan 2005 16:52 GMT
> > Exactly! As you state it was the original belt, and you waited till it
> > failed! that is not proper maintenance. And now you wonder you it is leking!
>
> Are you even reading what he's saying?
Thank you David...I guess some people just can't read and only want to hear
themselves bitch off and complain about other people and what they do.I
thought this was a group where you could ask questions and get help on some
technical issues that a person has no knowledge of.
Again, Thanks alot
Tom
SNIP
". I needed my van and said
> to go ahead under protest that they should be covering the cost as they
> caused the rack to fail. When I went in to the shop the next day the
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>
> Tom.
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Rack an pinion steering units fail due to the wear of the o-ring seals and
not changing the fluid every 30K miles and the o-ring seals fail due to not
changing the fluid every 30K miles. Back in the early 80s GM had real
problems with their units because the seals were harder than the aluminium
causing premature failure.
Many people expect just to put the key in their auto turn it and go. You
either pay me now or pay me later so to speak. It sounds like your later
has come.
HarryS
Tom B - 28 Jan 2005 04:45 GMT
Sorry to say folks but I take great care in maintenance of my vehicle. If
all you want to do is put smart remarks then please don't respond. I came
here asking some questions about the possible causes for the failure of the
rack and pinion.I don't need or want to hear from the likes of people like
you.. If you can not help out with the technical advice I am seeking then
just sit back and don't open your mouths.
Snip
How do you know if that was the only leak. Sounds to me like you never took
care of the thing and are now surprised at the problems that developed. If
the engine was totally covered with p.s. fluid, there couldn't have been
much in the rack, or reservoir. So guess what! your seals will fail.
I have changed all the fluids in my van on a regularly scheduled period. So
" No " it was not because of neglect on my part for not maintaining my van.I
keep up with all the regular scheduled maintenance when it comes due.
SNIP
> ". I needed my van and said
> > to go ahead under protest that they should be covering the cost as they
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> HarryS
HarryS - 28 Jan 2005 12:50 GMT
I am glad you are not an air craft mechanic if your idea of maintenance is
what you have previous described. I think you need to look up the word in
the dictionary for clarity.
HarryS
> Sorry to say folks but I take great care in maintenance of my vehicle. If
> all you want to do is put smart remarks then please don't respond. I came
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>> HarryS