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Car Forum / Chrysler Cars / March 2005can anyone who knows chrysler SHUDDERING problems help?
I have an 89 lebaron conv. with the 2.5L turbo engine and 4-speed auto. transmission. I have nearly gone crazy trying to figure out WHY this car shudders so violently upon acceleration. So far BOTH motor mounts, THE SINGLE transmission mount, transmission fluid (changed once), BOTH front wheel bearings, and steering rack (assembly or whatever its called) have all either been replaced or checked as OK. I would VERY VERY GREATLY appreciate any help to solve this problem. THANK YOU. > I have an 89 lebaron conv. with the 2.5L turbo engine and 4-speed auto. > transmission. No, you don't. Either you have a 3.0L V6 with 4-speed auto transmission, or you have a 2.5L turbo with 3-speed auto transmission. > I have nearly gone crazy trying to figure out WHY this car shudders so > violently upon acceleration. So far BOTH motor mounts, THE SINGLE > transmission mount, transmission fluid (changed once), BOTH front wheel > bearings, and steering rack (assembly or whatever its called) have all > either been replaced or checked as OK. Cannot figure out what would cause someone to suspect the steering rack or wheel bearings for this problem, which is probably being caused either by one or more faulty inner CV joints or an internal transmission fault. > Cannot figure out what would cause someone to suspect the steering rack or > wheel bearings for this problem, which is probably being caused either by > one or more faulty inner CV joints or an internal transmission fault. Depending on what he mean's by "shuddering", my '87 (2.2 turbo) has had episodes of horrible misfire on acceleration cause by a neglected PCV valve and by failed spark plug wires.  SignatureJoseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605 Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002 New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer That's exactly what I was thinking. How about some plug wires? >> Cannot figure out what would cause someone to suspect the steering rack >> or [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > had episodes of horrible misfire on acceleration cause by a neglected > PCV valve and by failed spark plug wires. I have an 89 lebaron conv. with the 2.5L turbo engine and 4-speed auto. > transmission. No, you don't. Either you have a 3.0L V6 with 4-speed auto transmission, or you have a 2.5L turbo with 3-speed auto transmission. > I have nearly gone crazy trying to figure out WHY this car shudders so > violently upon acceleration. So far BOTH motor mounts, THE SINGLE > transmission mount, transmission fluid (changed once), BOTH front wheel > bearings, and steering rack (assembly or whatever its called) have all > either been replaced or checked as OK. Cannot figure out what would cause someone to suspect the steering rack or wheel bearings for this problem, which is probably being caused either by one or more faulty inner CV joints or an internal transmission fault. It's always interesting when someone else knows about my own things better than I do, and you're absolutely right about the car having a 3-speed transmission. Don't know what I was thinking (or maybe I wasn't). As far as the wheel bearings and steering rack are concerned, I acquired this tid-bit of info. from the chryslerlebaronclub. And to tell you the truth, after many hours of trying to trace the problem with no luck it's starting to look like I'll just have to accept the fact that chrysler didn't have their sh__ together back in 89 and deal with it until the tranny becomes part of the road. > Cannot figure out what would cause someone to suspect the steering rack > or wheel bearings for this problem, which is probably being caused > either by one or more faulty inner CV joints or an internal transmission > fault. > tell you the truth, after many hours of trying to trace the problem with > no luck it's starting to look like I'll just have to accept the fact > that chrysler didn't have their sh__ together back in 89 Horseshit. Your '89 LeBaron should not shudder. If it does, it's because something's wrong. Systematic and proper diagnosis -- and not simple shotgunning of new parts -- will track down and resolve the problem. DS <...I'll just have to accept the fact that chrysler didn't have > their sh__ together back in 89 and deal with it until the tranny becomes I had an 89 Plymouth Acclaim 2.5 with 3-spd that was solid as a rock. I also had a 92 Shadow 5-speed that is still running great with almost 300,000 km (sold it to a friend 5 years ago). In many ways the period late 80s to early 90s were some of Chrysler's best years, before the Stratus/Breeze, '96 generation vans and Neon came along to drag things down. Actually in 1989 their was no V6 or 4 speed auto available. The turbo came with either a 5 speed manual or 3 speed automatic. >>I have an 89 lebaron conv. with the 2.5L turbo engine and 4-speed auto. >>transmission. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > wheel bearings for this problem, which is probably being caused either by > one or more faulty inner CV joints or an internal transmission fault. > I have an 89 lebaron conv. with the 2.5L turbo engine and 4-speed auto. > transmission. I have nearly gone crazy trying to figure out WHY this car [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > all either been replaced or checked as OK. I would VERY VERY GREATLY > appreciate any help to solve this problem. THANK YOU. Assuming you isolated the front tires as not being the problem I would check the right inner cv joint for wear, The tripod and housing is more then likely worn out, This will cause a severe vibration on acceleration. Glenn Beasley Chrysler Tech my car had a shudder. software upgrade to the TCM solved it. the electronically controlled clutch was upshifting too slowly caused the torque convertor to start to self-destruct and i thought something was wrong with the tires or suspension. probably not your problem, but just throwing this out since you said "any help" also make sure correct fluid, ATF+3, yes? > I have an 89 lebaron conv. with the 2.5L turbo engine and 4-speed auto. > transmission. I have nearly gone crazy trying to figure out WHY this car [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > all either been replaced or checked as OK. I would VERY VERY GREATLY > appreciate any help to solve this problem. THANK YOU. > my car had a shudder. software upgrade to the TCM solved it. the > electronically controlled clutch was upshifting too slowly Not applicable to the OP's car, which has the 3-speed hydromechanical automatic transmission (no TCM), not the 4-speed electronic. NO! http://dodgeram.info/tsb/2004/21-004-04.htm SignatureHarryS My 2? | my car had a shudder. software upgrade to the TCM solved it. | the electronically controlled clutch was upshifting too slowly [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] | > all either been replaced or checked as OK. I would VERY VERY GREATLY | > appreciate any help to solve this problem. THANK YOU. well, if he really had the 4-speed electronic transmission, maybe someone just kind of dropped it in there if it fits... that's a good TSB you posted > NO! > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > | > all either been replaced or checked as OK. I would VERY VERY GREATLY > | > appreciate any help to solve this problem. THANK YOU. > well, if he really had the 4-speed electronic transmission, maybe > someone just kind of dropped it in there if it fits... It does not fit. There's no version of the 4-speed electronic that will mate to a 2.2 or 2.5 litre Chrysler 4-cylinder engine. Yeah, I used MOBILE ATF+3. Thirteen quarts to be exact because as of now I have changed the fluid three times just to make sure there wasn't any dexron left sneaking up in there somethere. The manuals fluid specs said it held four quarts. Read the manual, flushed and filled tranny three times. Fluid looks like a bright red cherry lolly-pop and yet, shhhuuuuddddeerrrrr. > Yeah, I used MOBILE ATF+3. Thirteen quarts to be exact because as of > now I have changed the fluid three times just to make sure there > wasn't any dexron left sneaking up in there somethere. The manuals > fluid specs said it held four quarts. Read the manual, flushed and > filled tranny three times. Fluid looks like a bright red cherry > lolly-pop and yet, shhhuuuuddddeerrrrr. That's because the shudder IS NOT IN YOUR TRANSMISSION. How many people have to tell you this, and how much money do you have to waste, before this gets through your skull? Willfully-ignorant people like you are too stupid to deserve cars that work correctly. > NO! > > http://dodgeram.info/tsb/2004/21-004-04.htm That TSB says not to use ATF+4 in the '89 LeBaron. So what is your point? Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my adddress with the letter 'x') >> NO! >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my > adddress with the letter 'x') Oops - disregard my previous. Poorly writeen TSB. Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my adddress with the letter 'x') Does this shuddering appear to be sideways in motion and only during moderate acceleration or did it start out that way and progressively got worse? In that case suspect inner cv joints. This was my problem in a 93 Voyager and it took some time before i realised this. Including changing engine mounts. I am by no means an expert. Torgeir >>> NO! >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my > adddress with the letter 'x') It shudders the most when the tranny shifts from 1st to 2nd gear, although it will shudder in the INITIAL 10 feet or so from a dead stop if I put my foot down hard enough. It's pretty frustrating. Walking can be even worse. > It shudders the most when the tranny shifts from 1st to 2nd gear, although > it will shudder in the INITIAL 10 feet or so from a dead stop if I put my > foot down hard enough. It's pretty frustrating. Almost as frustrating as being one of several people who tell someone like you exactly where your problem is, only to have you pretend not to hear it. > > It shudders the most when the tranny shifts from 1st to 2nd gear, although > > it will shudder in the INITIAL 10 feet or so from a dead stop if I put my [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > you exactly where your problem is, only to have you pretend not to hear > it. Sometimes the solution will present itself so that even a casual passer-by will say, AHA! I had a clicking problem caused by a bad CV joint. Figured out that when I drove over an unseen branch, it punctured the CV boot. Damn. It was a dark and stormy night that blew down the branch. When I heard that surprising crunch, I just knew it was not simple in the pit of my tummy. To replace the CV boot cost as much in just labor as replacing the entire axle. As the CV joint deteriorated, the clicking on turning became at times perhaps the cause for a shudder on the highway. This was for a minivan where I was told the CV boot is difficult to replace by itself. Might as well buy a new axle which includes the CV boot. I went over a small speed bump about nine months later. The axle fell out and down. And a very kind supermarket worker picked up one of the bearings that had fallen out and pushed me to a parking spot. I was surprised at how large the ball bearing was. I went over that bump at probably 2 or 3 mph. Yes, I know, I was very, very lucky that sunny day. It's hoped that this fellow will check out his suspension. If a wheel falls off or an axle breaks, at highway speeds, this can be a considerable danger to himself and to others also on the road. |
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