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Car Forum / Chrysler Cars / April 2005Oil leaking on my Neon
Hi all, My neon was leaking oil so I took it to the mechanics and they fixed it to a certain degree but it's still leaking a few drops a day. They said that to fix the problem completely I'd have to change the head gasket which would cost me a lot of money (>$1000). My question is what sort of risk am I putting myself and my car into by allowing for a few drops of oil leakage per day? What year Neon? > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > My question is what sort of risk am I putting myself and my car into by > allowing for a few drops of oil leakage per day? > What year Neon? Sorry, it's a 97 Neon. Thanks. > > What year Neon? > > Sorry, it's a 97 Neon. Thanks. I've had the same problem on my '95 neon. First head gasket blew before they had figured out the MLS gasket, so I'm on my second "bad" gasket. The car dripped a couple drips a day for over four years, now just recently it has developed a more significant leak and an appetite for coolant, although with no evidence in the engine oil, thankfully. It's sitting in the garage waiting for me to get off my duff, track down a FSM for the car, pick up a six pack, and get to work. The head gaskets on these cars usually failed with an external leak just like yours due to a bad design. An oil passage in the EGR area on the rear of the block by the brake booster is too close the outside of the block and the gasket is too thin. You may want to have the tech put some oil dye in the engine and make SURE that it's the head gasket. These cars are also known to leak oil from the cam cover and the cam position sensor. The latter is often confused with a head gasket leak due to its close proximity. Short answer - as long as you're not mixing oil and coolant and the leak is manageable, you're fine. Jeff Falkiner 95 neon - currently waiting for open-heart surgery to fix a coolant breach 99 Intrepid - the Green Monster 04 Sebring - the Silver Bullet > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > My question is what sort of risk am I putting myself and my car into by > allowing for a few drops of oil leakage per day? A FIRE! >> Hi all, >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >A FIRE! With motor oil? I could see that if it was leaking gas. -- Christian Save Darfur -- http://www.savedarfur.org/ World Vision (Darfur) -- http://donate.wvus.org/OA_HTML/xxwvibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?section=10025&item=1072182 ICC (Sudan) -- http://www.persecution.org/Countries/sudan.html > >> Hi all, > >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > With motor oil? I could see that if it was leaking gas. Guess again, oil leaking on the exhaust is highly flamable, Acually im surprised this wasnt a recall. the 4 cyl 2.5 had a recall e few years ago with the valve cover gasket/cover that leaked oil and caused fires....Oil is flamable I got news for you > -- Christian > > Save Darfur -- http://www.savedarfur.org/ > World Vision (Darfur) -- http://donate.wvus.org/OA_HTML/xxwvibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?section=10025&item=1072182 > ICC (Sudan) -- http://www.persecution.org/Countries/sudan.html >> >> Hi all, >> >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >with the valve cover gasket/cover that leaked oil and caused fires....Oil is >flamable I got news for you Hmmm. Okay. I'll have to try to set some on fire when I get home and see how easily it's done. I've got to tell you I've seen some engines with more oil on the outside than on the inside that still don't roast. -- Christian Save Darfur -- http://www.savedarfur.org/ World Vision (Darfur) -- http://donate.wvus.org/OA_HTML/xxwvibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?section=10025&item=1072182 ICC (Sudan) -- http://www.persecution.org/Countries/sudan.html >>> >> Hi all, >>> >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > with more oil on the outside than on the inside that still don't > roast. Try pouring some on a hot exhaust manifold. Much hotter than the rest of the engine. > >>> >> Hi all, > >>> >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Try pouring some on a hot exhaust manifold. Much hotter than the rest of the > engine. NO BILL DONT SAY THAT!!!!! I THINK HE WILL DO THAT, damn call the fire department now!! >> >>> >> Hi all, >> >>> >> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >NO BILL DONT SAY THAT!!!!! I THINK HE WILL DO THAT, damn call the fire >department now!! Only if I can borrow your car. Oil can be messy. -- Christian Save Darfur -- http://www.savedarfur.org/ World Vision (Darfur) -- http://donate.wvus.org/OA_HTML/xxwvibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?section=10025&item=1072182 ICC (Sudan) -- http://www.persecution.org/Countries/sudan.html You bozos do know that oil doesn't burn, don't you? Ask any fireman, the evaporated fumes ARE flammable, but not the oil itself. >>> >>> On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 04:12:27 -0400, "maxpower" >>> >>> <damnnickname@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > http://donate.wvus.org/OA_HTML/xxwvibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?section=10025&item=1072182 > ICC (Sudan) -- http://www.persecution.org/Countries/sudan.html if you pour enough of it on there, it will burn. especially ATF. nate > You bozos do know that oil doesn't burn, don't you? Ask any fireman, the > evaporated fumes ARE flammable, but not the oil itself. [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] >>http://donate.wvus.org/OA_HTML/xxwvibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?section=10025&item=1072182 >>ICC (Sudan) -- http://www.persecution.org/Countries/sudan.html  Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel Doesn't matter how much oil there is, only the evaporated fumes will burn, ATF? well, I wouldn't know, but we were'nt talking ATF were we? When I was in training for a fire dept. I was taken to a county training facility. They used oil pit fires to show trainees line handling. The "pit" was a small pool of water that they opened a valve and let a layer of oil onto. It was explained to us that since oil won't burn, only the oil VAPOR, it took a while for the instructor to get the pit burning. But once started, the heat from the burning vapor created more vapor, which burned making the fire hotter which created more vapor.....etc....etc. Considering all the leaking valve cover gaskets and head gaskets on all the engines of all brands of cars (Chrysler isn't the only car maker with oil leak problems) you could imagine how bad it would be if oil was flammable like gasoline. Don't take my word for it, ask a professional fireman, chemistry teacher, etc. > if you pour enough of it on there, it will burn. especially ATF. > [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] >>>http://donate.wvus.org/OA_HTML/xxwvibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?section=10025&item=1072182 >>>ICC (Sudan) -- http://www.persecution.org/Countries/sudan.html The same thing is true of gasoline as well, does that mean I should ignore fuel leaks? nate > Doesn't matter how much oil there is, only the evaporated fumes will burn, > ATF? well, I wouldn't know, but we were'nt talking ATF were we? [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] >>>>http://donate.wvus.org/OA_HTML/xxwvibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?section=10025&item=1072182 >>>>ICC (Sudan) -- http://www.persecution.org/Countries/sudan.html Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel Yeah ok, have it your way, whatever you say...... > The same thing is true of gasoline as well, does that mean I should ignore > fuel leaks? [quoted text clipped - 110 lines] >>>>>http://donate.wvus.org/OA_HTML/xxwvibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?section=10025&item=1072182 >>>>>ICC (Sudan) -- http://www.persecution.org/Countries/sudan.html My point to start with is that it is very difficult to start motor oil on fire. I've never heard of a car catching on fire because of an oil leak (not saying it's impossible, just extremely unlikely). Even aircooled VW's (which run very hot) torch due to gas leaks (not oil). -- Christian >Doesn't matter how much oil there is, only the evaporated fumes will burn, >ATF? well, I wouldn't know, but we were'nt talking ATF were we? [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] >>>> >>>>-- Christian Save Darfur -- http://www.savedarfur.org/ World Vision (Darfur) -- http://donate.wvus.org/OA_HTML/xxwvibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?section=10025&item=1072182 ICC (Sudan) -- http://www.persecution.org/Countries/sudan.html > My point to start with is that it is very difficult to start motor oil > on fire. I've never heard of a car catching on fire because of an oil > leak (not saying it's impossible, just extremely unlikely). Even > aircooled VW's (which run very hot) torch due to gas leaks (not oil). > > -- Christian And that's well taken. *My* point was that I have personally had a car catch on fire from a (massive, sudden) ATF leak while driving, and ATF is not that different from motor oil. Just because something is difficult does not mean that it's impossible. Whether or not to address the oil leak in the OP's car is something only the OP can decide. Personally, if any leak has the potential to be sudden and massive, I'd fix it. If it looks like it will be a trickle until the end of time, it might be OK to ignore it (obviously not true for fuel however.) nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel > > My point to start with is that it is very difficult to start motor oil > > on fire. I've never heard of a car catching on fire because of an oil [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > nate AGREED BUT>>>>>> that engine has a reputation of not having a trickle leak, but a massive one, and without seeing the leak.....based on what I see in the field I would say it could be a fire hazard. oil burns, especially if it puddles and boils on hot metal because now it is causing a ignitable fume My opinion Glenn Beasley Chrysler Tech >> My point to start with is that it is very difficult to start motor oil >> on fire. I've never heard of a car catching on fire because of an oil [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >nate Personally, fire risk or no fire risk, I'm all for fixing whatever might be leaking under the hood-- be it gas, oil, ATF, coolant, or even vacuum. I figure it makes for a cleaner, better running motor and a cleaner environment. But, for the most part, we don't need to strand our vehicles beside the road or in our driveways because of an oil drip. -- Christian Save Darfur -- http://www.savedarfur.org/ World Vision (Darfur) -- http://donate.wvus.org/OA_HTML/xxwvibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?section=10025&item=1072182 ICC (Sudan) -- http://www.persecution.org/Countries/sudan.html > Doesn't matter how much oil there is, only the evaporated fumes will burn, > ATF? well, I wouldn't know, but we were'nt talking ATF were we? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > engines of all brands of cars (Chrysler isn't the only car maker with oil > leak problems) you could imagine how bad it would be if oil was flammable > like gasoline. Hey bozo, the fumes from gasoline burns too just like the fumes from oil, Where were you at when the instrutor was telling you that too? > Don't take my word for it, ask a professional fireman, chemistry teacher, > etc. [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] >>>http://donate.wvus.org/OA_HTML/xxwvibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?section=10025&item=1072182 > >>>ICC (Sudan) -- http://www.persecution.org/Countries/sudan.html > Hey bozo, the fumes from gasoline burns too just like the fumes from oil, > Where were you at when the instrutor was telling you that too? Actually, unlike you, I didn't have to be told that, I already knew it. So, if you guys are so afraid of oil fires in your car, I suggest you give up on driving altogether and walk. Make sure you avoid parking lots, as all those highly flammable oil spots (left by parked cars leaking oil)are probably going to ignite at any second, leaving the whole parking lot a raging inferno!! Max, I wish you had more of your "Maxpower" applied to your brain.... >>>>>>Hi all, >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > Try pouring some on a hot exhaust manifold. Much hotter than the rest of the > engine. I had an 87 Plymouth Van with the 3.0 L engine. A seal failed in the Valve cover and dumped oil on the exhaust manifold. Made lots of smoke but no fire. As another poster stated lots of engines get covered with oil and have no issues. Chance of fire is about same as using Cell phone causing explosion when getting gas. Slim to none. >>>>>>>Hi all, >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >Chance of fire is about same as using Cell phone causing explosion when getting >gas. Slim to none. Actually, hot oil fires are not uncommon. Not terribly common on automobile engines, but industrial hydraulics have their share. Is industrial hydraulic fluid the same as motor oil? >>>>>>>>Hi all, >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > Actually, hot oil fires are not uncommon. Not terribly common on > automobile engines, but industrial hydraulics have their share. >Is industrial hydraulic fluid the same as motor oil? Very, very close. White hydraulic/transmission oil is something like 10 grade oil, burns with the same smell, feels the same, has less and different additives, but almost identical properties as far as boiling point, flash point, calorific value, viscosity, etc. >>>>>>>>>Hi all, >>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >> Actually, hot oil fires are not uncommon. Not terribly common on >> automobile engines, but industrial hydraulics have their share. |
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