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Car Forum / Chrysler Cars / June 2005

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93 Sundance will not shift into any gear.

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Shaun Q - 28 Jun 2005 04:31 GMT
Can anyone help me with this?

My 93 Sundance was backing up today and after I tried to shift (it's a
manual trans) into first, I was unable to push it into gear.  I'm
unable to push it into any gear whatsoever -- 1 thru 5 or reverse.  It
starts to move that way but don't go past the point where it would
click into gear. It will move side to side, but won't go into the gear
position.

Any ideas on what's wrong?  How would I fix this?

Thanks! :)
Shaun
Daniel J. Stern - 28 Jun 2005 05:52 GMT
> Can anyone help me with this?
>
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> gear. It will move side to side, but won't go into the gear position.
> Any ideas on what's wrong?  How would I fix this?

You've probably got a bad (kinked) shifter cable or two. The failure point
is usually at the shifter end. If you'll slide the shifter boot down, you
can lift the tab that holds on the shift knob, then lift the knob off the
shift stick, then lift up the boot. Now you can see the shifter mechanism.
From there you can inspect for evidence of bent/binding cables. If you see
nothing, the damage is probably elsewhere in the cable(s). On the other
hand, you may find that something has gotten into the shifter mechanism
and is physically blocking it, though this is not as likely.
kmatheson@sisna.com - 28 Jun 2005 14:38 GMT
> Can anyone help me with this?
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Thanks! :)
> Shaun

Since it is a manual transmission, does the problem occur with the
engine off? If so, it is probably a shifter linkage problem, as Dan
suggests. If you can shift it with the engine off, your clutch may not
be disengaging. This can be caused by a fluid leak, or a bad master or
slave cylinder. I am not sure whether the clutch on this model is
hydraulic or mechanical.

-Kirk Matheson
Daniel J. Stern - 28 Jun 2005 16:33 GMT
> Since it is a manual transmission, does the problem occur with the
> engine off? If so, it is probably a shifter linkage problem, as Dan
> suggests. If you can shift it with the engine off, your clutch may not
> be disengaging. This can be caused by a fluid leak, or a bad master or
> slave cylinder. I am not sure whether the clutch on this model is
> hydraulic or mechanical.

The clutch on that car is cable-operated.
kmatheson@sisna.com - 28 Jun 2005 17:42 GMT
I didn't know that.

Just curious. Is the gear shifter also cable operated, or integrated
into the transmission?

I have not owned a manual transmission car for many years, so I haven't
kept up on it.

-Kirk Matheson
Daniel J. Stern - 28 Jun 2005 18:44 GMT
> Just curious. Is the gear shifter also cable operated, or integrated
> into the transmission?

Cable operated, completely independent of the trans. That's, er, why my
initial response to the question dealt in detail with the probability of a
faulty shifter cable causing the problem.
Shaun Q - 29 Jun 2005 06:03 GMT
I'm getting some feedback from people saying it's a adjustment that
needs to be made... yet I'm being told that it's impossible to adjust
on this model and that the entire clutch would need to be replaced....
Any thoughts?
Joe Pfeiffer - 29 Jun 2005 16:43 GMT
> I'm getting some feedback from people saying it's a adjustment that
> needs to be made... yet I'm being told that it's impossible to adjust
> on this model and that the entire clutch would need to be replaced....
> Any thoughts?

1) Get a FSM so you can get real information.

2) Did Dan's message on how to inspect (not adjust) the cables get
  through to your server?  If not, you can find it at
  http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.chrysler/msg/ffce162eed476e32

3) Clutch?  Why would the clutch be involved?  Or does the problem
  only arise when the engine is running (like Kirk asked earlier)?
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kmatheson@sisna.com - 29 Jun 2005 16:52 GMT
> I'm getting some feedback from people saying it's a adjustment that
> needs to be made... yet I'm being told that it's impossible to adjust
> on this model and that the entire clutch would need to be replaced....
> Any thoughts?

If the problem is with the clutch not fully disengaging, I cannot
imagine there not being a way to adjust it. Usually, the clutch needs
replacement because it gets worn, and starts slipping.

There is most likely a lever near the bell housing. Have someone
operate the clutch while you look around the bell housing (engine off,
of course). You should see a cable moving a lever. That is most likely
where the adjustment point would be. There may also be a clamp that
holds the cable in place. If the clamp is loose and has allowed the
cable to slip, that can cause the clutch to not fully disengage.

-Kirk Matheson
Daniel J. Stern - 29 Jun 2005 17:18 GMT
> If the problem is with the clutch not fully disengaging, I cannot
> imagine there not being a way to adjust it.

The clutch cable setup on this car is "self adjusting" via a ratchet-grab
mechanism at the top of the pedal arm, but:

1) Sometimes it needs a little help, which is achieved by repeatedly
pressing the clutch pedal all the way to the floor, then sliding your foot
off the pedal so it springs forcefully back up. Five or six times ought to
do it.

2) If the clutch cable has stretched significantly, it will need to be
replaced.

> There is most likely a lever near the bell housing. Have someone
> operate the clutch while you look around the bell housing (engine off,
> of course). You should see a cable moving a lever. That is most likely
> where the adjustment point would be.

There is no adjustment at that point on this car.

DS (when somebody asks for help, don't *guess*! Just don't post if you
don't know the answer.)
 
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