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Car Forum / Chrysler Cars / April 2006Build Coal-to-Oil Conversion Plant Now!
We'll be riding bicycles before long unless the Government invests in the world's largest coal-to-oil conversion plant. Also on the list, oil shale and tar sands conversion plants. I did not say alcohol production plants...that's a political charade pocked full of false promise. Only hydrocarbon based fuel production yields positive yields of input vs output energy. Alcohol, hydrogen, and every other scheme must be put to rest and buried so we can focus on the real solution for the next 200 years. Beyond 200 years, fusion power hopefully will result in liquid and gas fuel for vehicles (air, land, sea). We can best wage war on the terrorists and their backer nations by building these plants and becoming 100% self-sufficient on oil. War making in Iraq is not an effective war on terrorists. For those of you who like the Iraq war, you will love the upcoming Iran war and North Korea war. Stay tuned for more wars unless our Government gets some sense and puts the money into conversion plants instead of killing "insurgents" which half the time are ordinary civilian fathers, mothers, and boy and girl children, totally innocent people. Our President should spend less time in church and more time repenting for what misery he has wrought upon innocents in his foolhardy desire to liberate them from dictators and install systems of freedom and liberty... Bless him if only he could perform this miracle right here in the States. (Martha Stewart is a prime example--She shrugged her shoulders and got 2 years in the penitentiary for it because LYING is all it takes for a federal felony--and I bet you thought you had to draw blood or do a stickup to earn prison stripes.) There is a reason why Congress has not declared this Iraq war. They would not have, will not, and will not ever declare it in the formal way WWII (the last righteous war) was declared. Sure, the Congress voted for the money to wage this President's war -- its to "support the troops". But why would Congress declare a war when the war might go bad as it has; why, because they would have to take the blame. This way, by allowing the President to wage his own personal war, he will get to take all the blame because nobody in Congress will admit to supporting the war as such, only patrioticly supporting the troops by voting for the money. Its perfect political sense and the best way to wage war if it wasn't for all the aluminum boxes coming home filled with other people's dead children. There is zero chance that the President's daughters or any Congressmen's children will come back in a box. Always remember, if a war is not declared, it is illegal under the Constitution as well as international law. Any captured combatent of a nation which wages an illegal war can be treated as "common criminals", just as Vietnam did to our captured soldiers. Its not worth it. Its wrong and immoral. And its expensive. We can either get our jollies by lashing out at the world and wantonly killing everything that moves, or we can invest the zillion dollars these wars are going to cost us. Invest in conversion plants. Leave the gear in Iraq for the Iraqis to wage their own civil war and it wouldn't suprise me if those murderous savages killed each other off down to the last man and that man will pick up a pistol and blow his own brains out. Bring home the troops tomorrow to save their lives, their health, and the people's money so we can invest it wisely in our future. Agree with me. That would be real patriotism in action not the phoney kind Washington wreaks of. Still in doubt? Then answer this question: Why don't terrorists bomb Switzerland? Its because their leaders stay out of wars and mind their own business. We are bombed because our Leader noses into wars and wreaks world-wide havoc. The President says we should always be in one war or another and that is contrary to what peace-loving Switzerland thinks. Somebody has got to be wrong and its either Switzerland or the President. Since Switzerland has no terrorist problem, logic tells me Switzerland's in the right and President Bush is in the wrong. The fix is simple. Get rid of Bush and we can get the United States doing like Switzerland does (or more accurately, doesn't). Our terrorist problem will be history (and the oil problem too). Why do terrorists focus on the USA???? You mean, really, you don't have a clue? Well, then you could be president, because he doesn't either. Actually international radical Islamic terrorists have been attacking western interest around the world since the fifties. Several Presidents Republican and Democrat did little or nothing about it and over the years emboldened them to do even more by striking us in our own country. Osama Ben Laden even taught his followers that we were weak and would not fight the long fight. President Clinton proved him right when they struck the WTC the first time. We can thank goodness that we finally have a President that understands we must fight them now, and were they are, before they hit us in our own county again. President Bush pledged in his speech about 9/11 that he would seek out and kill those that attacked us there, wherever they are, whoever they are AND more importantly ALL those that support terrorist or harbor terrorist, wherever they are and whoever they are, and that is exactly what he has been doing ever since. Unfortunately the democrats, for political reasons, have done a good job of convincing a lot of misinformed, uninformed Americans that the war on Islamic terrorists is somewhere other than Iraq so they could attack the President in a time of war, without looking unpatriotic or political. The fact the war on Islamic terrorist is in a dozen countries in the world including Iraq, and getting worse as people in this country show that Ben Laden was right, that many Americans are not willing to fight the long war even for their own survival. We can only hope that whoever is President, when the radical Islamic terrorists hit us in this country again and they will, he will be like President Bush and Winston Churchill and do what is right for the county and to hell with those that want to appease or cut and run, as so many did before WWII in the US and England What the President said in part: Our war on terror begins with Al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated. Americans are asking "Why do they hate us?" They hate what they see right here in this chamber: a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms: our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other. They want to overthrow existing governments in many Muslim countries such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan. They want to drive Israel out of the Middle East. They want to drive Christians and Jews out of vast regions of Asia and Africa. These terrorists kill not merely to end lives, but to disrupt and end a way of life. With every atrocity, they hope that America grows fearful, retreating from the world and forsaking our friends. They stand against us because we stand in their way. We're not deceived by their pretenses to piety. We have seen their kind before. They're the heirs of all the murderous ideologies of the 20th century. By sacrificing human life to serve their radical visions, by abandoning every value except the will to power, they follow in the path of fascism, Nazism and totalitarianism. And they will follow that path all the way to where it ends in history's unmarked grave of discarded lies. Americans are asking, "How will we fight and win this war?" We will direct every resource at our command - every means of diplomacy, every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law enforcement, every financial influence, and every necessary weapon of war - to the destruction and to the defeat of the global terror network. Now, this war will not be like the war against Iraq a decade ago, with a decisive liberation of territory and a swift conclusion. It will not look like the air war above Kosovo two years ago, where no ground troops were used and not a single American was lost in combat. Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated strikes. Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign unlike any other we have ever seen. It may include dramatic strikes visible on TV and covert operations secret even in success. We will starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive them from place to place until there is no refuge or no rest. And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation in every region now has a decision to make: Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime. Our nation has been put on notice, we're not immune from attack. We will take defensive measures against terrorism to protect Americans. mike hunt > Why do terrorists focus on the USA???? > > You mean, really, you don't have a clue? Well, then you could be > president, because he doesn't either. "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message news:COGcndSzU- > From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support > terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime. Our > nation has been put on notice, we're not immune from attack. We will take > defensive measures against terrorism to protect Americans. > > mike hunt If Iran is seriously on the path of nuclear weapons (and I think they are, no matter what they say), then somebody is going to have to either be the best damn diplomat ever, or somebody is going to have to pull the fangs of this beast. If we do it, we further raise the hatred level against the USA. And this is largely our conflict because we shouldered ourself into it, long long ago. Maybe we should suggest to Israel that we don't really have a dog in this fight....Israel has the weapons to lay waste to everything in Iran, and all those countries already hate them...Let them protect their own backyard. Just a hunch, but if the USA minded their own business and didn't try to put their nose in everybody else's business, it might be a good start. Get rid of Dubya. Get out of IRAK (where are those WMD's), and get out of Afghanistan too.  Signature(\_ _/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your (")_(") signature to help him gain world domination. > Why do terrorists focus on the USA???? > > You mean, really, you don't have a clue? Well, then you could be > president, because he doesn't either. > ...where are those WMD's... Good question - probably Syria. You do understand that: (1) They did exist without question (2) The law of the conservation of mass is real But a true liberal never lets reality stand in the way of their politics. So be honest - do you believe in the law of the conservation of mass? Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x') >> ...where are those WMD's... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > politics. So be honest - do you believe in the law of the conservation > of mass? Bill, never, I repeat, never, try to inject logic, especially physics, into politics. :-) It just won't work as politics isn't about what is real and true, it is about what illusions you can create to support your position and accomplish whatever goal you have for whatever reasons you have it. Two completely different worlds. Matt > > ...where are those WMD's... > > Good question - probably Syria. You do understand that: > (1) They did exist without question > (2) The law of the conservation of mass is real There are several possibilities... (a) Might be in Syria, as you surmise (b) Might even be in Iran...Iraq fought Iran for a long time, but when the US attacked Iraq, they sent many of their fighter planes to Iran. ???? (c) They may still be there in well hidden underground facilities... (d) They may have actually destroyed the mass of the chemical and biological weapons. They were nowhere close to nuclear weapons of their own craft, but it would not have been out of the question that they could have purchased a couple. Camels don't make the best delivery systems, but ??? Hans Blix could have been correct. While I might not agree with everything the US does, I have to think of that weed patch in my back yard..... with outside (my) intervention, it remains a small weed patch.... I hate it and I deal with it as I can, but it remains..... If I didn't try anything at all, that small weed patch would soon own my whole yard (which ain't the prettiest yard to begin with). SOMEBODY has to stick their nose in somewhere and somehow.... To the extremists, the US is todays target... simply because they are trying to put the lid back on Pandora's box.... To the extremists, we are all "infidel dogs" and their interpretation of the Koran has marked every Christian, every Buddhist, every Jew.... and even every Scientologist as "expendable". Still pissed that the Liberals lost, are you? > Just a hunch, but if the USA minded their own business and didn't try to > put their nose in everybody else's business, it might be a good start. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> You mean, really, you don't have a clue? Well, then you could be >> president, because he doesn't either. > While I might not agree with everything the US does, I have to think of that > weed patch in my back yard..... with outside (my) intervention, it remains a > small weed patch.... I hate it and I deal with it as I can, but it > remains..... Choices are sometimes hard...Had we all dealt with Nazi Germany earlier, maybe a lot of the death and destruction that Hitler authored could have been avoided. In Vietnam, we were there to fight a war the politicians construed, where we were not considered saviors but rather the enemy, and where we were not at threat. We have lost ground in our own hemisphere, with Cuba, Venezuela, Chile, Peru, Bolivia, and others leaning to the left. We can't fight everybody. And our form of democracy is not everybody's cup of tea. YA that's a good idea, we need Dimocrats in charge.. You think gas is expensive now, I guess you don't remember Carters effort to control the distribution to cut demand that led to the long gas lines, or Clintons 50C gas tax and his 10% 'carbon tax' proposals designed to save the planet? Obviously you forgot about 9/11 mike hunt > Just a hunch, but if the USA minded their own business and didn't try to > put their nose in everybody else's business, it might be a good start. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> You mean, really, you don't have a clue? Well, then you could be >> president, because he doesn't either. > YA that's a good idea, we need Dimocrats in charge.. You think gas is > expensive now, I guess you don't remember Carters effort to control the > distribution to cut demand that led to the long gas lines, or Clintons 50C > gas tax and his 10% 'carbon tax' proposals designed to save the planet? > Obviously you forgot about 9/11 The gas prices went up beginning in 1973 under Nixon's watch. Nixon, like Bush, was a Republican. The prices went up again at the end of Carter's watch as a result, in part, of the Iran-Iraq war. I am not suggesting that Carter's energy policy was good at all. Only that gas prices went up under Republicans. I did not know that 9/11 had anything to do with gas prices. That occurred under a Republican President, following many security mistakes under both Democrats and Republicans. Jeff > mike hunt > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >>> You mean, really, you don't have a clue? Well, then you could be >>> president, because he doesn't either. You are free to believe what ever you chose, no matter how convoluted your logic. mike hunt >> YA that's a good idea, we need Dimocrats in charge.. You think gas is >> expensive now, I guess you don't remember Carters effort to control the [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >>>> You mean, really, you don't have a clue? Well, then you could be >>>> president, because he doesn't either. > You are free to believe what ever you chose, no matter how convoluted your > logic. > > mike hunt So....what did he say that wasn't true? > You are free to believe what ever you chose, no matter how convoluted your > logic. How how true it is that the first gas crisis came under Nixon or the prices went up under Bush. Jeff > mike hunt > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >>>>> You mean, really, you don't have a clue? Well, then you could be >>>>> president, because he doesn't either. >> YA that's a good idea, we need Dimocrats in charge.. You think gas is >> expensive now, I guess you don't remember Carters effort to control the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Jeff Found this, gas prices per year. http://www.urlbee.com?2719 tom >> mike hunt >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >>>> You mean, really, you don't have a clue? Well, then you could be >>>> president, because he doesn't either. Is that you Neville Chamberlain???? I thought you died in 1949. Who was it said if we do not learn from history we are destine to repeat it? Thank goodness we have a President today that is more like Winston Churchill than Jimmy Carter. LOL mike hunt > We'll be riding bicycles before long unless the Government invests in the > world's largest coal-to-oil conversion plant. Also on the list, oil shale [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > freedom and liberty... Bless him if only he could perform this miracle > right here in the States. > Is that you Neville Chamberlain???? I thought you died in 1949. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > mike hunt Dontcha know... They flew those planes into buildings because we weren't paying enough for their oil.. I would love to get old Nomen sat down and make him read the Bin Laden fatwa's and tell me how that's OUR fault. SignatureYeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price you pay..DEAL with it! "Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in message > Dontcha know... They flew those planes into buildings because we weren't > paying enough for their oil.. > > I would love to get old Nomen sat down and make him read the Bin Laden > fatwa's and tell me how that's OUR fault. Well, do YOU know why they attacked us here on our home turf, and haven't come after most of the western bloc countries? You don't really think this is about oil, do you? > "Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in message >> Dontcha know... They flew those planes into buildings because we [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You don't really think this is about oil, do you? I thought you knew something, I didnt.. guess it's the other way round. Why should they bother attacking England? More than the token subway attack, I mean... It's already verboten to have caricature pigs on desks in governemnt offices. And they have... the only difference is in the scale. Have attacked Germany (Night Club) Spain England Foiled in France Germany England But that's just off top of my head... And of course it's not about oil... that's just a ruse used by the Left to get all the DEEP THINKING US social activists riled. And by Bin Laden & Co to give the poor Arab kid another excuse if he doesnt think Israel/Palestine is enough. SignatureYeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price you pay..DEAL with it! * taken from some Mickey Rooney, Judy Garland movie of the thirties { poorly thought out garbage as usual} SignatureYeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price you pay..DEAL with it! :smokin: Very interesting how the initial premise of this alternative fuel post immediately turned into a political statement. I quote Colonel Klink from the old TV series "Hogan's Heroes"............... "Veerrrrrrrrryyyy interesting,,,,,,,,,, But Stupid!!!!":smokin: SignatureKnifeblade_03 http://www.automotiveforums.com NIMBY???? Forget the environmentalists. Who would argue about putting 10 of these plants in the barren deserts of Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico! Nobody is going to see it in the middle of the desert. Parts of Nevada were used to test nuclear bombs. So why should it be such a big deal to set up "coal -> Oil -> diesel -> gasoline" plants there? That would actually be a very clever, very wise move by the American public to accept such a proposal. On the other hand gas can climb up to $6 for regular and people can naturaly give up their gas guzzlers for turbo diesel Jettas, Hybrids, mass transit and motorcycles. O2 Aren't some of these areas located close to aboriginal lands??? I'm grown up and responsible enough to realize that the flip side of NIMBY is NITBY (not in their back yard)... Zero pollution was a mid 70s pipe dream.... all we can hope for is the cleanest possible environment... and we will all have to "sign the checque"... > NIMBY???? > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > O2 |
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