Is the Cardonne only available by mail, or are they sold by any
retailers? Do you have any experience with water pumps sold by NAPA?
Just curious.

-KM

See alt.collecting.8-track-tapes for the skinny on this troll.  He's
trying to "trollshift," a trick he thinks that works, which he got off
of flayme.com.  His real name is Charles M. Nudo, Jr., of Drums, PA, a
well known eBay fraudster and crook as 66fourdoor.

Kill file?  YES!  But beware...he used to use at least 14 different
pseudonyms over the years, but thanks to having many accounts banned
for bad behavior, is now down to about 3 or 4.

ATT: "OldeChrysler" aka "DeserTBob" is a ricer, read his previous
pro-rice post below:

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One BIG reason?  Long term support.  I just ordered some miscellaneous
OEM gasket and small parts for my Accord, and Honda still provides
them, along with internet ordering!  Try THAT with GM or Ford!  This
car is 27 years old, and I can still get most all critical parts to
keep it running as it should.  Trim and interior parts are spotty, but
still available sometimes, and in the right color!  I remember my '70
Ford...after five years, you couldn't order dash pads for it
anymore...five years!  I put a new dash in that Accord in 1997, fresh
from the factory, and in the CORRECT color.

Another story on this.  For reasons never fully explained, my
grandmother bought one of 199 Toyota Crowns sold in the US that year.
This was truly a "japmobile"...4.11 gears with 14" rims which would
give about 4500 RPM at freeway speeds, archiac power steering stolen
from GM's Saginaw design used from 1951-'55, a direct and smaller copy
of Moraine's power brake unit, a downsided copy of the
Borg-Warner/Ford FMX transmission, dash design stolen from the 1969-70
Oldsmobile...just a patchwork of mismatched, badly engineered parts
that didn't work well.  Add the then-common "jap" styling, and you had
a real novelty...and one that would have people stop and gawk every
time you drove it.  In Japan, these cars were considered to be
limousines, and all high government and industry officials of the late
'60s and early '70s were chauffeured around in them.  True to form of
the era, it was too small for most any American, unless you were a
woman.  It also had the horrid 4M straight 6 cylinder engine, which,
like many Toyotas of the era, would burn exhaust valves regularly due
to bad cooling design.  The 4M also had siamesed cylinders, which gave
uneven piston skirt and ring wear.  Chevrolet also had siamesed
cylinders on its dreadful small block 400", which didn't last very
long.

Anyway, Grandma gave the Crown to my Mom to use as a "grocery getter"
so she wouldn't have to use the Cadillac around town, and Grandma went
to a Buick X body, which lasted her until she died in it in an
accident.   Not that it mattered much to my mom...the Crown got worse
gas mileage than did the Cadillac...around 11 MPG around town, MAYBE
14 on the road.  Anyway, since it was such a curiousity to people on
the street, and in mint condition, we kept it in the fleet.

One day many years later, a tell tale puddle of green under the front
of the engine foretold a failing water pump seal.  Getting a water
pump for Toyopet 4M in the US was nigh impossible through most parts
sources, but one call to a local Toyota dealer had a new pump, with
its captive viscous fan drive clutch, air freighted to him the next
day!  $104, which for a water pump in those days was outrageous, but
they had the parts.  Other very obscure oddball parts for this
particular car, such as the retro-50s power steering gearbox, were
also similarly available for years afterward, even though only 199 of
these things were sold in the US in 1971!

Try that on GM or Ford...FAHGEDDABOUDIT!  However, Chrysler has bucked
that trend, and you can still get many minor parts for the old M-body
RWD Fifth Avenues today, even though most M-bodies are more than 20
years old.  I bet Noodles can't get a lot of parts for his Grand Prick
now, either!  HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh...the Crown?  My sister wound up with it, and sold it to an
interested collector.  Despite her inability to keep a car running for
more than a year at a time, the Crown carried her around for two.
Reason she got rid of it?  Bad fuel economy!

AttL Chrysler fans- "OldeChrysler" aka "DeserTBob" is a ricer posing as
an old car buff- read his pro-rice post below:

33 From:  DeserTBoB - view profile
Date:  Sat, Dec 18 2004 7:56 pm
Email:   DeserTBoB <dese...@rglobal.net>

Sounds about right.  American Honda frowned on dealers tacking on a
big markup due to the cars' popularity, but many did anyway, sometimes
up to $500, putting the Honda into the Big 3's price territory...and
they'd STILL outsell 'em.  The Datsun store I worked at briefly was
tacking on $750 onto 280Zs and $500 on longbed pickups using the old
"LustreGlaze" scam...$750 for a cheapie wax job...just to make up for
the lousy sales on everything else.  They couldn't get rid of 710s no
matter how high the spiff or how hard the ad campaign.  One weekend,
the snails manager offered a $500 spiff on ANY 710 sold that weekend,
regardless of how many.  As luck would have it, I managed to get four
"ups" looking for wagons, and we had 4 710 wagons, two in that ugly
pumpkin orange, one in a nasty "rubber red", but one in a really nice
dark metallic green.  I was quite happy, and so was the store owner,
just to get rid of 'em.  The F&I guys were really pissed off, since
three were cash deals.  F&I guys would try to rip off the salesman,
even on cash deals, by throwing a "pad" in on the rear end of the
deal, but I'd always catch them.  Chuckie Noodles would've made a
GREAT F&I guy; they were all crooks and frauders.

Meanwhile, down the street at Honda, people couldn't get enough of the
Accord and Civic hatchbacks...they were literally selling them off the
trucks as they arrived, and they were taking two and three deliveries
a DAY.  They had to have 2 shifts of prep guys just to set 'em up
right off the trucks and drive 'em to the front to make delivery.  A
guy who sold over there told me there was no selling involved...just
order taking, and they got full commish on each one.  They sold
themselves.  Things were a little better over at the Toyota store,
Celicas being the big movers over there, as well as the tinny
Corrolas, but nothing like what Honda had going.  Over at the
Chrysler-Plymouth store, the only thing that was selling out were
Aspens and Cordobas.  I remember one weekend I drove by, and they had
all their "Space Duster" hatchbacks backed up to the street with the
hatches open, and they sold 'em all out in one Saturday.  Hatches were
hot in the '70s.  People liked the Cordoba, too...until they checked
the gas mileage.

In the Clarion display most Datsun dealers had, there was the "el
cheapo" AM/FM mono (not a too bad radio, actually), a really lousy
AM/FM stereo (bad noise problems) with shitty 4" speakers, an
AM/FM/cassette (actually by Fujitsu) and...TADA...one AM/FM/8 track
from...RCA!  This was back before the days of lots of aftermarket
in-dash radios, so selling radios was a profitable business.  Most
opted for the stock AM/FM mono, which I believe tacked on $39.95.  The
second most popular was the RCA 8 track, and I remember that set had
some balls to it.  I seem to remember it was more expensive than the
Fujistu-Ten cassette, which was ALWAYS coming back for warranty
repair.  The RCAs were so popular, they'd "recycle" them as 1 or 2
year old cars would come back on trade-in, clean the heads, and sell
them as "demonstrator" units on new cars.  Over at Honda, the Panasonc
AM/FM/8 track was their biggest seller by far...the one with the
fold-away radio scale.  No power, but clean sounding until you pushed
it too far.  The Honda stock AM Fujitsu-Ten radios were really awful,
so they made a lot of money on 8 tracks back in those years.

I seem to remember GM being VERY pissed off at longtime franchise
holders who'd add Japanese lines.  I know this Datsun dealer had to
build a separate facility away from his B-O-P outlet, or GM threatened
to start screwing with his inventory, which was their perogative,
since he was an independent operator using factory provided stock.
Factory outlet stores, which still existed in those days, were
especially vulnerable to this, since GM was paying the flooring costs
on the cars and the dealer had no money up front on any of them.
Franchisees had more latitude, since they had to pay all flooring
costs.  If an outlet operator pissed off Woodward Avenue enough,
though, they'd wind up with crap like 4 cylinder stick shift Pontiac
Venturas they couldn't sell.  You remember those...the rebadged Novas
with the "engine flavor of the day" which started that big GM engine
fraud lawsuit.  I remember going to an Olds store and finding three V8
Omegas on the line...one with an Olds 350, one with a Chevy 305, and
one with a Buick 301!  I remember asking the "up" guy, "Since when do
you sell all three BOP cars here?"  His reply, "Just go to parts,
stick whatever badge you want on 'em."  What a nudofraud deal THAT
was....

They should've given you a free new Delco 8 track every time you'd
blow a rear end...which'd be about 4 times a year, as I remember them.
'66s were THE worst for that.  Go around a corner, the spider gears
would crack in half.  I heard the early '67s were the same, but a
production change in that model run fixed the problem.

dB

...kicking you to the curb.

Kill file list:

winchester1886@hotmail.com
bb69@epix.net
dynobot@hotmail.com

....and a couple of others of which  he's probably forgotten the
passwords.  Most of his other Google troll accounts have already been
shut down.

Looks like "OldeChrysler" aka "DeserTBob" has been outed again.   Both
as a troll, and as a dumb a.s, who tore down an entire 318 motor for a
"cooling problem", when in fact the problem was a stuck thermostat.