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Car Forum / Chrysler Cars / February 20072006 caravan brake problems?
My '06 caravan has had bad brake vibration problems since around 3K miles. The dealer replaced the rear brakes (pads and rotors) at 6K, again at 9K (which helped, but didn't entirely fix the problem). Now at 12K miles they are claiming it was the fronts all along, rotors are badly warped and pads are down to 4/32". After much bitching, the dealer and Chrysler agreed to split the cost of replacing the fronts, but won't warantee the brakes and any further work is on my bill. The dealer has no idea what's warping the rotors so quickly, have tried to blame our driving style. Since our last van had over 100K w/o any warping and we're driving the same I find that hard to swallow. Has anyone else had problems with warping? In looking around it seems that these vans have bad brakes, many need replacing at 12-15K and warped rotors. Anyone have success with aftermarket pads and rotors? What's available for the caravan. I'm hoping to avoid complete brake jobs with every oil change. thanks,  SignatureJohn F. Detke | "Where dat mommy go?" jdetke@panix.com | -- James, age 2 when his mom Felton, CA | slipped away for 2 minutes peace > My '06 caravan has had bad brake vibration problems since around 3K miles. > The dealer replaced the rear brakes (pads and rotors) at 6K, again at [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > thanks, No brake problems that I have seen, do you live in the mountains or drive in heavy city driving? How is the gas mileage? Do you drive with 2 feet ? These vans DO NOT have brake issues. And yes driving habits could have alot to do with it especially high speed braking. Brakes are only warranted for 12/12 Glenn Beasley Chrysler Tech >> My '06 caravan has had bad brake vibration problems since around 3K miles. >> The dealer replaced the rear brakes (pads and rotors) at 6K, again at [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >Glenn Beasley >Chrysler Tech Hi Glenn, I know you are the guy with experience but my luck with the brakes in my 2002 Caravan hasn't been good. I had the rotors replaced under warranty at 5,000 miles due to vibration from warpage noticed from day one. As I later discovered, the dealer only replaced ONE rotor. At 11,000 I had the pads replaced under warranty. With the warrantly over at 12,000 miles, I had to replace the pads again at 22,000. At 40,000 miles I finally decided to NOT use OEM parts and put in organic pads in that lasted until 75,000 miles. I also trashed the OEM rotors and put in Chinese made rotors that were balanced better and ran truer than the OEM's. Did this work myself. At 75,000K I installed ceramic pads that seem to wear less and dust the wheels less while still not causing excessive rotor wear. My conclusions overall were that the OEM rotors and pads from Chrysler were junk. I've had much more brake wear in this 2002 Caravan than any other vehicle that I've owned.. One possibility is that my unit has the 2.4L 4-cyl engine. It seems to have minimal engine braking. When I back off the gas, the car slows minimally on a level surface. Low internal engine friction? Four cylinders not having much breaking effect on a relatively heavy vehicle? It reminds me of the 1965 SAAB 3-cylinder 2-cycle wagon that I used to drive during work while in college. That darm car had "free-wheeling" to keep the engine from being starved for oil when you backed off on the gas (no gas, no lubrication since you used one quart of SAAB Premuim "M" oil for each 8 gallons of gas). The transmission declutched every time you backed off the gas pedal. I had some white-knuckled moments while the car was going down hills loaded with color TV sets being picked up from the local hotel for servicing... Those vacuum tube sets were HEAVY! I'd pull the underdash lever to lock out the freewheeling but then the boss would yell at me for the potential risk to the engine. Doug > ...One possibility is that my unit has the 2.4L 4-cyl engine. It seems to > have minimal engine braking. When I back off the gas, the car slows > minimally on a level surface. Low internal engine friction?... A bigger component than friction is the effect of the engine trying to act like an air compressor with the intake blocked off by the closed throttle body butterfly. > It reminds me of the 1965 SAAB 3-cylinder 2-cycle wagon that I used to > drive during work while in college. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I'd pull the underdash lever to lock out the freewheeling but then the > boss would yell at me for the potential risk to the engine. I remember those 3 cylinder Saabs and looking at one in the showroom - I wanted one at the time, but I was just a kid with no money of my own. I had always heard that freewheeling clutches were illegal on road vehicles. Guess that was wrong info. That was kind of hard on the brakes. Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x') > >> My '06 caravan has had bad brake vibration problems since around 3K miles. > >> The dealer replaced the rear brakes (pads and rotors) at 6K, again at [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > > Doug My wife has a 2003 Sebring convertible that she drives in to the city every day , I have machined her rotors twice already due to her driving habits, The car has 56k on the original brake linings now, her Caravan before that got about 35K to each set of linings, My old 95 Ram 4X4 went thru front brakes about every 35K and now my 03 Durango is on the original linings with 63K. Not to say that there are not problems with some vehicles that would cause a premature brake wear problem but I believe for the most part it is driving habits and conditions. I work on some vehicles that I have had to do brake work every 6K and when I get done I tell them see you in another 6K. Glenn >>> My '06 caravan has had bad brake vibration problems since around 3K miles. >>> The dealer replaced the rear brakes (pads and rotors) at 6K, again at [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > I had the rotors replaced under warranty at 5,000 miles due to > vibration from warpage noticed from day one. Was it actually due to warping? I thought that I had read (in the very newsgroup) about uneven deposition of friction material on the rotors causing light brake judder. My experience has been that EVERY voyager/caravan that I have driven since '97 (my own plus rentals) has experienced this judder between 20-30k miles. Since this judder has always been intermittent, I have not believed it to be due to warping (I can't imagine rotors un-warping themselves!). Last year, I replaced rotors and pads with Brembo/Akebono units and so far, the brakes have been very good. > Was it actually due to warping? I thought that I had read (in the very > newsgroup) about uneven deposition of friction material on the rotors > causing light brake judder. Yep. People hear about rotor warpage so much that they barely hear you when you talk about uneven pad filming. Mechanics seem to be totally unaware of the possibility. Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x') >>>> My '06 caravan has had bad brake vibration problems since around 3K miles. >>>> The dealer replaced the rear brakes (pads and rotors) at 6K, again at [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >Last year, I replaced rotors and pads with Brembo/Akebono units and >so far, the brakes have been very good. Yes, it was definitely warpage. I don't remember what the runout was but it was substantial. I noticed it as soon as I drove the car home from the dealership with only 75 miles on it. I waited a bit before complaining thinking that it might have been poor breakin while the car was driven from one dealership to another, with resulting brake lining build up. It wasn't. However, it only got worse and was never intermittent. I've never had front end braking shudders since I've replaced the OEM rotors. Doug the cars sit on the dealer lots a while and the pad covers that part of the rotor up and the rest of it gets rusty so the rusty part sits higher(.002) than the clean steel and a warpage starts that can not be cleaned up and replacement is the only fix > >>>> My '06 caravan has had bad brake vibration problems since around 3K miles. > >>>> The dealer replaced the rear brakes (pads and rotors) at 6K, again at [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > Doug Joe, this sounds like the problem that I posted in Nov. of 2006: Will a bad brake booster cause front disc pads to wear out in less than six months. The rear drum shoes are engaging while stopping and are less than 6 months old. I have had no problems with them. I have tried all types of disc pads from ceramic to heavy duty semi-matalic. I have also replaced both brake lines to the front calipers and cleaned and lubed the brake contact points. This is on a 2002 Plymouth voyager and I have had this problem since I purchased it new. Each time I replaced the discs pads I have the rotors turned or replaced. Help! I ended up replacing the brake booster and master cylinder which included bleeding all four wheels. I have not had any problems since! >My '06 caravan has had bad brake vibration problems since around 3K miles. >The dealer replaced the rear brakes (pads and rotors) at 6K, again at [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >thanks, |
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