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Ralph Griffith - 20 Jun 2007 04:12 GMT

Ralph, I think this man is an idiot. The union (UMWA) is the reason the
men make the so called big bucks they make today. The non union would not
make as much as they do if it wasn't for fear that the men would organize.
my husband was union and so was my father . And in the last strike the
UAW supported the UMWA in their strike by send members down to help stand
againt the coal company/ I would like to think that the UMWA would stand by
the Auto Workers. There are a lot of people from here that went up north
to work for the Auto Companies "THE BIG THREE" . They went to make
money. And they made good money and have good retirements. They got their
pay for an honest days work. As far as the big 3, they have got to start
making cars that are more economical . Both to the environment and
financially . They have the knowledge but aren't using it. As for the
idiot , he probably wasn't worth fighting for . The UNION protects their
own . When you don't live by the law of the Union or workplace -----you
should be FIRED . HE SOUNDS LIKE A SCAB TO ME. EDUCATION AND ALL. BY THE
WAY THE UMWA ARE NOT UNEDUCATED OR STUPID.
This is my take on the subject. I AM A FIRM BELIEVER IN THE UNION. . So
that Dave fellow can take that to the FRIGGEN BANK.
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 6:41:07 AM
Subject: Fw: UAW to members: We'll fight givebacks

Don't believe this fellow cares for the unions!

> What a crock! I use to be a UAW member in a small factory as an
> electrician. I NEVER got any of the benefits all you big three members
> got! Your manual laborers got more money for snapping windshield wiper
> blades on cars than I got, the union never even attempted to protect us
> peons! All we did was pay dues! You WHINE a.s babies finally got what
> was coming! All your bichin about better pay and medical! Some of you
> couldnt read from a Dick and Jane reader for christs sake yet you made
> money hand over fist! I will say that corporate greed had a hand in
> your plight but as I look back, the greedy union members are the
> biggest reason that the companies are crumbling! You greedy slobs got
> everything that was coming to you! You go to work, sip coffee, sit on
> your a.ses and then complain about how you dont make enough! No wonder
> your companies had to farm everything out. Quit your frikkin cry
> babying and find a job and then go buy a Honda you stupid SOBS! It
> seems that you ignorant bass turds arent even smart enough to figure
> out that the small UAW shops made more money for the union than you big
> three workers and nobody in the small shops ever gained ANYTHING! Take
> your stupid assed union and shove it up the wazoo!

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Ted Mittelstaedt - 20 Jun 2007 06:30 GMT

> Ralph, I think this man is an idiot. The union (UMWA) is the reason the
> men make the so called big bucks they make today. The non union would not
> make as much as they do if it wasn't for fear that the men would organize.

That is true. It is also true that if none of the unions existed, yet the
laws
were not written to prohibit unionization, that the fear of the workers
unionizing
would still keep wages up.

The biggest thing that the unions did when they got started was to use
political
pressure to remove all the legal blocks to organizing. At that time
business owners
didn't realize that pressuring the government to pass laws to make
unionization
difficult merely pushed workers right into the union.

Today, the business owners in non-union industries have figured this out,
and
do not overtly make things difficult to unionize. What they do do, is when
it
appears that the ground is fertile to support a unionization drive, is they
start
raising wages.

Unions today need to climb out of the idea that they are only all about
collective bargaining. Take a look at the IBEW someday. That's an example
of a forward-looking modern Union that is liked by both the union members
and their employers.

Ted

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Bill Putney - 20 Jun 2007 11:16 GMT

> Ralph, I think this man is an idiot. The union (UMWA) is the reason the
> men make the so called big bucks they make today. The non union would not
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> Don't believe this fellow cares for the unions!

All I've got to say is that the unions are not helping their thug
reputation by their recent tactic of pushing for open ballot voting (in
which your vote is made known when and where you cast it).

Bill Putney
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address with the letter 'x')

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