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Car Forum / Chrysler Cars / November 2007

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The chief of police cars

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Nomen Nescio - 27 Nov 2007 16:30 GMT
"The sporty upstart Dodge Charger is aiming to challenge Ford Motor
Co.'s Crown Victoria as chief of police cars. Chrysler LLC's full-sized
model that debuted in 2006 is no immediate threat to the Crown Vic or
General Motors Corp.'s Chevrolet Impala, the market's other major
player, but the Charger is gaining momentum..."

Associated Press: http://snipr.com/1u9nj
Tom - 27 Nov 2007 18:45 GMT
so what. you have proved that even an idiot can cut and paste.
> "The sporty upstart Dodge Charger is aiming to challenge Ford Motor
> Co.'s Crown Victoria as chief of police cars. Chrysler LLC's full-sized
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Associated Press: http://snipr.com/1u9nj
My Name Is Nobody - 27 Nov 2007 22:55 GMT
> so what. you have proved that even an idiot can cut and paste.
>> "The sporty upstart Dodge Charger is aiming to challenge Ford Motor
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>>
>> Associated Press: http://snipr.com/1u9nj

So What are you proving?
That some idiots can't figure out how to use their "shift" key, or that some
idiots don't understand "top posting" and why it is frowned upon???

STFU!
Jim Warman - 28 Nov 2007 02:02 GMT
Some idiots can't tell about crossposting either... nor can they understand
that the mere idea of bottom posting is about three parts retarded,
anyway.... scrolling through line after line of stuff I've already read just
to see that someone either says "me too" or whimpers about top posters....
If something in print offends you... stop looking at it.

Now... while this is still crossposted... can you tell if it's top posted or
bottom posted?

But... Nomen is still the king of cut and paste, who really gives a sh.t 
drivel....
Dan C - 28 Nov 2007 03:36 GMT
> Some idiots can't tell about crossposting either... nor can they understand
> that the mere idea of bottom posting is about three parts retarded,

A: Because it destroys the logical flow of a thread of comments,
  and makes it difficult to keep up with a conversation.

Q: Why do so many people object to top posting?

A: Writing your reply to a message above what you are referring to
  rather than below it.

Q: What is "top posting"?

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"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

Jim Warman - 28 Nov 2007 07:21 GMT
Dan... if people were smart enough to begin reading at the BEGINNING of the
thread, there would be no doubt regarding the topic and content of the
thread. If we jump into the middle of of it, we will be subject to whatever
editting, chopping and tinkering that any number of previous posters may
have inflicted on previous messages... making whatever you have decided to
read dubious as for value, intent, context and content.

In an ideal world (one where people read the whole sentence and actually
followed the conversation) there would be no need for quoting any previous
messages. Logical flow? I see little logic displayed by most UseNet posters
to begin with... especially those that come up with lame excuses for top
posting destroying "logical flow" . If you started reading the thread from
the beginning, you would have a good undertsanding what the thread was
about, you would be aware of any statements, misunderstandings or other
conditions that generated any particular reply...

But you young'uns can be particularly lazy and prefer to have things handed
to you so that you can react in wierd and wonderful ways.

Look at it this way.... I think you are a wiener.....

But who the f.ck am I?

Should it really matter to YOU that I think you are a wiener?

To you, I am nobody... you don't know me and I don't know you (somehow, I
find that comforting).... Deal with it, Princess.... nobody promised that
you would be wise.

Now.... you are going to have to decide if THIS is top posted or not....

Correct answer is yes, it was top posted before I deleted the rest of the
crap you should have already read.....

Explain that to me.... wiener....
Tom - 28 Nov 2007 12:33 GMT
never argue with an idiot. if he wins, what does that make you???
My Name Is Nobody - 28 Nov 2007 22:42 GMT
> never argue with an idiot. if he wins, what does that make you???

Especially an IDIOT who still has no fuckin clue where his SHIFT key is....
Sheehs...

Yes, you Tom, who professes "I'm ignorant, AND I LIKE TO LOOK THAT WAY"!
Tom - 28 Nov 2007 23:56 GMT
i guess it's time to add another person to the ignore list.
Tom - 28 Nov 2007 12:32 GMT
how does it make it difficult to keep up with a conversation??

i have already read what was posted. i know what you said, and am responding
to it. i don't need to read it again, and again, and again.

also, why does everyone have to copy everything said before they reply??
i already read that stuff 3 + times

> A: Because it destroys the logical flow of a thread of comments,
>   and makes it difficult to keep up with a conversation.
Brent - 29 Nov 2007 06:06 GMT
> Q: What is "top posting"?

Bottom posting is fine when people delete the 3 pages of crap above
their 'I agree'

b
Mike Marlow - 29 Nov 2007 22:41 GMT
> Bottom posting is fine when people delete the 3 pages of crap above their
> 'I agree'

I consider it funny how top posters rant on and on about pages of text with
simple replies at the bottom, and then their posts contain the same pages
and pages of dribble, with their replies at the top.  As if there really is
a difference...

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mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Steve - 29 Nov 2007 16:31 GMT
> A: Because it destroys the logical flow of a thread of comments,
>    and makes it difficult to keep up with a conversation.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Q: What is "top posting"?

It amuses me when someone goes off on some rant about top-posting. The
ONLY place that top-posting is loathed (or anyone actually gives a rat's
a.s) seems to be newsgroups. In business E-mail communication, the
equivalent of top "posting" (ie writing your response to an e-mail chain
above the quoted text) is BY FAR the most common method because a) it
still preserves the whole thread of communication for reference, and b)
the immediately relevant portion is the first thing you see without
having to scroll through 6 weeks of prior discussion.

Note that I'm NOT top-posting here, because the quoted text has been
appropriately trimmed rather than preserving the whole string (which
would include Nomen Numbnuts original post, and that's something I
refuse to do at any cost).

And by the way- since when is the Chevrolet Impala still any kind of
real player in the police cruiser market? Since it went front-drive its
been used for nothing more than public school campus police and city
parking enforcement around here. The Charger 3.5L v6 HO is also faster
than the Ford Interceptor v8, and the 5.7L Hemi v8 is finally back to
the kind of performance you could expect from copcars in the big-block
days, or the early 90s with the LT-1 powered  Caprice.
80 Knight - 29 Nov 2007 18:55 GMT
<Snip>

> And by the way- since when is the Chevrolet Impala still any kind of real
> player in the police cruiser market? Since it went front-drive its been
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> performance you could expect from copcars in the big-block days, or the
> early 90s with the LT-1 powered  Caprice.

Our Police fleet is composed of mostly Impala's.  We even had the new
Impala's before consumer's did.  I guess it helps that we build them too.
Dan C - 29 Nov 2007 21:38 GMT
>> A: Because it destroys the logical flow of a thread of comments,
>>    and makes it difficult to keep up with a conversation.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>
>> Q: What is "top posting"?

> It amuses me when someone goes off on some rant about top-posting. The

"Rant"?  Where?

> ONLY place that top-posting is loathed (or anyone actually gives a rat's
> a.s) seems to be newsgroups. In business E-mail communication, the
> equivalent of top "posting" (ie writing your response to an e-mail chain
> above the quoted text) is BY FAR the most common method because a) it

Perhaps so.  In case you didn't know, *this* is a newsgroup, not business
email.  So, your "argument" is quite irrelevant.  Right?

> still preserves the whole thread of communication for reference, and b)
> the immediately relevant portion is the first thing you see without
> having to scroll through 6 weeks of prior discussion.

And right there is the main reason why there's a difference.  Most
business email conversations don't go on for 6 weeks, or have more than a
few (3-4) participants.  Quite different than newsgroups.  Right?

Right.

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Steve - 30 Nov 2007 15:23 GMT
> Perhaps so.  In case you didn't know, *this* is a newsgroup,

I didn't resort to being a sarcastic a.shole, why is it necessary now?

>.  So, your "argument" is quite irrelevant.  Right?

Bringing it up at all is silly, IMO. My argument (no need to put it in
quotes, it is a real argument not a metaphorical one) is that both
methods have merit. Top posting is, for me, actually a lot easier to
follow. I say that as I do the third option, which is to trim to
relevant text while preserving attribution markers, and then intersperse
comments as appropriate.

>>still preserves the whole thread of communication for reference, and b)
>>the immediately relevant portion is the first thing you see without
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> business email conversations don't go on for 6 weeks, or have more than a
> few (3-4) participants.  Quite different than newsgroups.  Right?

Actually, the business E-mails I am talking about may be added to for
months and may have dozens of participants.

I think if there is a difference, its that all the participants always
receive and look at all the business e-mails, whereas NG threads get
glanced at by an ever-changing group.
HLS - 28 Nov 2007 12:57 GMT
> Some idiots can't tell about crossposting either... nor can they
> understand that the mere idea of bottom posting is about three parts
> retarded, anyway.... scrolling through line after line of stuff I've
> already read just to see that someone either says "me too" or whimpers
> about top posters.... If something in print offends you... stop looking at
> it.

To me, posting is like filing your records.. Some file most recent to the
front, others
prefer oldest to the front.  Doesnt really make any difference at the end of
the day, and
it never really made any difference online either.  Just a reason for some
to become
pedantic.

But as to the Dodge, recent reports that the Dodge line is one of the least
dependable in the USA could wreck hopes that this product line will gain any
significant use as police cars.  If they are really "Dodge tough", fine, but
this claim
to durability does not seem to be true of late.
Tony D. - 29 Nov 2007 18:15 GMT
>> Some idiots can't tell about crossposting either... nor can they
>> understand that the mere idea of bottom posting is about three parts
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> but this claim
> to durability does not seem to be true of late.

What the "Dodge line" rates is immaterial. The LX cars are relatively
problem free and the 8cyl versions are "recommended" vehicles by CR. And
  while Toyota etc, may "win" the durabilty award, there ain't much of
a difference in the domestic police choices.
Steve - 29 Nov 2007 20:11 GMT
>   while Toyota etc, may "win" the durabilty award, there ain't much of a
> difference in the domestic police choices.

THHPPPT. Toyota durability my butt. Tell that to the folks whose Tundras
have snapped camshafts :p

Out in the real world, I would expect pretty much any Ford, GM, or Mopar
to match or outlast a Toyota. Especially the rear-drives like the
Charger and Interceptor.
My Name Is Nobody - 28 Nov 2007 22:44 GMT
> Some idiots can't tell about crossposting either... nor can they
> understand that the mere idea of bottom posting is about three parts
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> But... Nomen is still the king of cut and paste, who really gives a sh.t 
> drivel....

Don't CROSSPOST!  Well you shouldn't, but it's OK for me...
Are you smoking dope Jim?
Josh S - 28 Nov 2007 01:45 GMT
> "The sporty upstart Dodge Charger is aiming to challenge Ford Motor
> Co.'s Crown Victoria as chief of police cars. Chrysler LLC's full-sized
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Associated Press: http://snipr.com/1u9nj

That's a very good market for it.
Tons of power, RWD so it can crash into those it's chasing and little
concern on fuel cost.
 
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