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What is the model (year) and model (name) of the citroen that you see in the James Bond movies which is always used as a taxi in France? You know the one with the weird tail lights on the roof? I really like the looks of it & wanna buy one. TIA  SignatureTurn off that damned internet! http://www.turnofftheinternet.com/ > What is the model (year) and model (name) of the citroen that you see > in the James Bond movies which is always used as a taxi in France? You > know the one with the weird tail lights on the roof? > I really like the looks of it & wanna buy one. Sounds like a DS. Yes it's a DS, also seen in Back to the Future No 2 as a flying taxi, although I dont think that Citroen ever made any that flew!!! Regards. Slim What trick, what device, what starting-hole on 22 Feb 2006 10:26:41 -0800, canst thou now find out, to hide "Slim" <martin.taz@tesco.net> from this open and apparent shame?: >Yes it's a DS, also seen in Back to the Future No 2 as a flying taxi, >although I dont think that Citroen ever made any that flew!!! >Regards. > Slim Can you point me to a photo of one & give me any info like the years they were made & any other interesting specs (like are they a piece of crap, etc.) Signature"The Borg assimilated my race, and all I got was this crummy tagline." '56-'75 is when they were made. I don't own one but it seems that they aren't that bad as long as they are maintained properly. Just Google Citroen DS and you'll get tons of pics. > What trick, what device, what starting-hole on 22 Feb 2006 10:26:41 > -0800, canst thou now find out, to hide "Slim" <martin.taz@tesco.net> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > they were made & any other interesting specs (like are they a piece of > crap, etc.) >What trick, what device, what starting-hole on 22 Feb 2006 10:26:41 >-0800, canst thou now find out, to hide "Slim" <martin.taz@tesco.net> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >they were made & any other interesting specs (like are they a piece of >crap, etc.) http://www.citroen.mb.ca/citroenet/phototheques/ds/dsphoto1.html SignatureIan > Can you point me to a photo of one & give me any info like the years > they were made & any other interesting specs (like are they a piece of > crap, etc.) www.google.com Try these links http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Citroen-DS-21-1972_W0QQitemZ4615082831QQcategoryZ 6183QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1958-Citroen-DS-19-Automobile_W0QQitemZ4614585297 QQcategoryZ6183QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/RARE-1964-CITROEN-DS-Convertible-ID-19-CABRIOLET_ W0QQitemZ4615341991QQcategoryZ6183QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > What trick, what device, what starting-hole on 22 Feb 2006 10:26:41 > -0800, canst thou now find out, to hide "Slim" <martin.taz@tesco.net> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > they were made & any other interesting specs (like are they a piece of > crap, etc.) Another link for the UK http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CITROEN-D-super-5-1972_W0QQitemZ4615074559QQcategoryZ12214 6QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem French link http://cgi.ebay.fr/citroen-ds-20_W0QQitemZ4615884959QQcategoryZ73580QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem > What trick, what device, what starting-hole on 22 Feb 2006 10:26:41 > -0800, canst thou now find out, to hide "Slim" <martin.taz@tesco.net> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > they were made & any other interesting specs (like are they a piece of > crap, etc.) Just a little bit of advice though. The DS is a great car and very reliable, but personally I would go for a post 1966 model and preferably a 5 speed manual transmission. Remember these words, "if you cant afford a good one, you certainly cant afford to maintain a bad one" Regards, Slim. > Just a little bit of advice though. > The DS is a great car and very reliable, but personally I would go for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Regards, > Slim. i very much agree with slim although to be fair it depends on your level of experience with restoration also i personally think the estate version looks awful the coupe looks ace as does the saloon would be very tempted to attack one with alloys and xantia suspension though and possibly the 2.0 litre inj engine from a xantia as well (xu10) would make an interesting project although some would cry out in protest >> Just a little bit of advice though. >> The DS is a great car and very reliable, but personally I would go for [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >and possibly the 2.0 litre inj engine from a xantia as well (xu10) >would make an interesting project although some would cry out in protest Xantia suspension? Are you insane? Why not fit Ford Model T while you're at it - that's even worse! SignatureIan >>> Just a little bit of advice though. >>> The DS is a great car and very reliable, but personally I would go for [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Xantia suspension? Are you insane? Why not fit Ford Model T while > you're at it - that's even worse! where is your sense of adventure? <Of DS> >>would be very tempted to attack one with alloys and xantia suspension > Xantia suspension? Are you insane? Why not fit Ford Model T while > you're at it - that's even worse! There's some bloke in Sweden who put Activa on an SM... <Of DS> > would be very tempted to attack one with ... xantia suspension But Cit put DS suspension on the Xant from the factory... (Well, as best they could, considering the Xant has Ford Cortina front struts) The Xantia does not have Mcpherson struts on the front. The front struts are hydraulic cylinders, cleverly disguised to look like a Mcpherson strut. This was a bit of a clever marketing ploy first used on the BX, it was done to fool the hydraulic suspension scardy cats!! Looks like it worked! Regards. Slim > The Xantia does not have Mcpherson struts on the front. It most certainly does. > The front struts are hydraulic cylinders, cleverly disguised to look > like a Mcpherson strut. It looks like a Mac Strut. It works like a Mac Strut. The fact it has a cylinder instead of a spring is irrelevant. It's a Mac Strut with a ball 'anging out the top. So what would happen if you dissconected the hydraulic pump? It would not work, the suspension would sink to the ground. Why?? Cos it's not a Mcferson strut. As said before, it's built that way to fool people like you into thinking that the suspension is "normal" Regards Slim > So what would happen if you dissconected the hydraulic pump? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Cos it's not a Mcferson strut. <rolls eyes> A spring wrapped around the outside is not the only characteristic of a Mac Strut. Ignore the actual springing medium, and look at how the wheel is physically attached to the car. A lower arm with a balljoint connected to a hub mounted on the bottom of a strut, which heads upwards to a rotating top mounted on the inner wing. The entire strut turns with the steering. It's a friggin' Mac Strut. As fitted to Cortinas for years. It just has a hydraulic cylinder in the middle instead of a damper and doesn't have a coil spring wrapped round the outside. If I could be arsed, I'd go and take a pic of the spare pair of XM struts kicking about in one of my lockups. That's the only difference, and a fairly subtle one. If you think that the actual springing medium makes more than a smidgin of difference, you might like to look at the rear subframe of a C15 and that of a BX, and consider why a hydraulic BX subframe bolts straight into a C15 instead of the one with springs. Or are you going to tell me they aren't both trailing arms, because one uses a spring and one a cylinder? > As said before, it's built that way to fool people like you into > thinking that the suspension is "normal" You're funny. >> So what would happen if you dissconected the hydraulic pump? >> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > You're funny. cortina mk 4 and five that i drove didnt have struts they had an upper and lower arm system with a coil spring and shocker was seperate nothing like a macpherson strut layout > cortina mk 4 and five that i drove didnt have struts <sigh> Forgive me for not being expert on Cortinas... <wanders off, muttering> One bloody light-hearted remark... I dunno who I'm agreeing with here as I lost the thread but ... ... I reckon the "Macpherson-ness" of the thing is the wheel attachment/articulation part of the design , rather than the spring and damping system ... the design just generally lends itself to incorporation of these features. But hey dont listen to me ask these people seem to have all the answers ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macpherson_strut atb S > I dunno who I'm agreeing with here as I lost the thread but ... > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > S dont think any of it truly matters just light hearted banter :--) > dont think any of it truly matters "The only thing that matters is the data - everything else belongs to philosophy." > just light hearted banter :--) nah .... 'it 'im ... ;-) drd (drd@CITYZOO.COM) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying >> just light hearted banter :--) > nah .... 'it 'im ... ;-) <whimper> > drd (drd@CITYZOO.COM) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > <whimper> "hang on, let me take my glasses off " <runs away> It was a quiet night at the Citroen Owners Fight Club ... again ... > (Well, as best they could, considering the Xant has Ford Cortina front > struts) Huh? Care to explain that? Xantia front hydraulic units are nothing like Cortina suspension. SignatureMalc "Ah, that did it. Spare brain in action, I'm ready to go again!" The ford cortina uses shocks and springs as its suspension. The Citroen Xantia uses hydraulics, If you look under the bonnet you will see a green ball, this is the sphere. The sphere is the unit that does all of the suspension work. The main principal of any hydraulic system is, You can compress a gas but not a liquid. The Citroen system uses suspension controlled by hydraulics running at 145- to 175- this equates to approx 2750psi. In the sphere you have a rubber diaphragm, this seperates the hydraulic fluid from the gas pressure in the top of the sphere, as the wheel travels up and down the diaphragm in the sphere moves back and forth giving the comfy suspension found in hydraulic sprung cars. If you remove the sphere and look into the neck, you will see a silver looking plate with a small hole in the center, this part is the damper. The damper controlls the rate or how fast the fluid can get in and out of the sphere, thus damping the suspension rather than bouncing all over the place like a tennis ball. The strut is only a transfer mechanism to transfer the movement of the rubber diaphragm in the sphere to the wheel. Inside the strut there is only a piston used to transfer this movement smoothly. Upon removing the front strut on a Xantia you will find that there is no resistance at all if you push and pull the piston in and out. Upon removing the front strut on a ford you will find lots of resistance. Have a look up into the wheel arch of a Xantia, there is no spring, just a plastic gaiter to stop the muck from getting in. Try lifting the suspension on a cortina up a few inches to get through a stream then putting it down again afterwards, all by moving a lever in the car? Sorry but ther is no simerlaritys at all. except the fact that both have round wheels. Hope this explains something. Regards, Slim > The ford cortina uses shocks and springs as its suspension. Snip Long Explanation > Hope this explains something. Yes I know that, it's the previous poster I wanted to get an explanation from. SignatureMalc "Ah, that did it. Spare brain in action, I'm ready to go again!" > Sorry but ther is no simerlaritys at all. except the fact that both > have round wheels. And Mac Struts. Like the BX and XM and C5. >> Sorry but ther is no simerlaritys at all. except the fact that both >> have round wheels. > > And Mac Struts. Like the BX and XM and C5. mmmm "Mindwipe" <jeffinleeds@nospam> haute in die Tasten: > would be very tempted to attack one with alloys and xantia > suspension though and possibly the 2.0 litre inj engine from a > xantia as well (xu10) would make an interesting project although > some would cry out in protest Yes, me for example. If you take Xantia parts to spoil a DS, I would suggest a 3.0i V6 and an activa suspension. IMHO a Wankel engine, maybe from the Mazda RX8, would indeed add some mystique to a GS. Frank Signatureplease replace spam-muelleimer with fk-newsgroups for e-mail contact Citroen - Made in Trance > IMHO a Wankel engine, maybe from the Mazda RX8, would indeed add some > mystique to a GS. You mean like Citroen built and sold as the GZ Birotor? Perhaps even more interestingly, it'd probably fit a 2cv... Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> haute in die Tasten: > You mean like Citroen built and sold as the GZ Birotor? Sorry, typo, I meant a Deesse. I always thought that this car deserved a somewhat more sophisticated engine. The Hybrid powertrain of a Toyota Prius might also be an interesting option (although a little bit underpowered), and one would have to fit the electric HD pump of a C5 into the project, so that the car stays operational when the engine switches off;-) > Perhaps even more interestingly, it'd probably fit a 2cv... My favourite panic project has always been a Trabant Tourist with a BMW M635i engine mounted in the rear;-) Frank Signatureplease replace spam-muelleimer with fk-newsgroups for e-mail contact Citroen - Made in Trance >> You mean like Citroen built and sold as the GZ Birotor? > Sorry, typo, I meant a Deesse. I always thought that this car > deserved a somewhat more sophisticated engine. And it should have had one. The DS was originally planned to have a flat-six - and at least two engines still exist - one air-cooled, one water-cooled. The CX was going to have a triple-rotor Wankel. Unfortunately, in typical Citroen style, the perennially awkward subject of money (or complete lack thereof) came up in both cases... > The Hybrid powertrain of a Toyota Prius might also be an interesting > option (although a little bit underpowered) Ever driven a Prius? There's a good reason nobody else has followed that path into production yet. It's Really Not That Great. Actually, it's fairly dire. PSA have got the Hybride HDi C4/307 - but reckon it's ten years from economically viable production. So how much are Toyota subsidising the Prius? Yes, there's the Honda Civic IMA - but that's not even a true Hybrid - the petrol engine (why are they both petrol?) has to stay running at all times, the electrics just "assist". This is, of course, all stuff Citroen did in the late '90s with the Dynavolt and Dynactive Saxos/Xsaras/B'lingos. The Dynalto is now in production as the C3 Stop'n'Start (Somebody shoot that marketing person!) >> Perhaps even more interestingly, it'd probably fit a 2cv... > My favourite panic project has always been a Trabant Tourist with a > BMW M635i engine mounted in the rear;-) You've seen the Lotus Esprit/Acadiane? Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> haute in die Tasten: > Ever driven a Prius? Yes, and I was quite pleased by its performance in heavy stop&go traffic. My Xantia burns about twice as much fuel - but its susension is way better;-) Frank Signatureplease replace spam-muelleimer with fk-newsgroups for e-mail contact Citroen - Made in Trance >> Ever driven a Prius? > Yes, and I was quite pleased by its performance in heavy stop&go > traffic. Yes, but that's about all it's any good at - get it on the open road, and it's just awful. > My Xantia burns about twice as much fuel According to the official figures, perhaps. On the test drive I had, according to the fuel computer I managed about 50% better than my petrol automatic XM... Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> haute in die Tasten: > According to the official figures, perhaps. > On the test drive I had, according to the fuel computer I > managed about 50% better than my petrol automatic XM... Unfortunately not. My Xantia 2.0i 8V with 4 speed auto trans burns 12 litres per 100 km in mainly (80%) city traffic. This is less than the fuel consumption reported by german car mag auto motor sport, but I am disappointed nevertheless. My '92 BMW 325i Convertible /w auto trans burns about the same amount of fuel when driven under similar conditions, but it burns regular fuel instead of premium fuel, and it has two additional cylinders, 50 additional horsepowers and a drag coefficient like a brick. For a medium size 4 door hatcbback with 120 HP, the Xantia is surprisingly uneconomical. Okay, it is way cheaper to buy preowned, compared to a BMW 3'series, Mercedes C class or such. Frank Signatureplease replace spam-muelleimer with fk-newsgroups for e-mail contact Citroen - Made in Trance <Of his Boring Munich Wagon> > but it burns regular fuel instead of premium fuel <as the 2.0 8v Xant needs> Why on earth are you putting premium in the Xant? Normal everyday 95 undeaded's fine for it. Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> haute in die Tasten: > Why on earth are you putting premium in the Xant? > Normal everyday 95 undeaded's fine for it. In Germany there are basically three grades of petrol available: "Normal" (91 octane), "Super" (95 octane), "Super plus" (98 octane, nowadays often replaxed by extra expensive fuel like Aral Optimate or Shell Vmax with 100 octane). All brands are unleaded. My BMW is rated "Normal unleaded", my Xantia is rated "Super unleaded", which makes a difference of approx. 3 eurocent per liter :-(. The dealer where I bought the car recommended using "Super plus" with 98 octane, but I could not find any consumption advantage worth the extra cost . Frank Signatureplease replace spam-muelleimer with fk-newsgroups for e-mail contact Citroen - Made in Trance >> Why on earth are you putting premium in the Xant? >> Normal everyday 95 undeaded's fine for it. > In Germany there are basically three grades of petrol available: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > with 98 octane, but I could not find any consumption advantage worth > the extra cost . Ah. We can't get 91 here - 98 is *expensive* - 5-6p/litre more. The message <Xns977E4606256eldosampleman@130.133.1.18> from Frank Kemper <spam-muelleimer@gmx.de> contains these words: > "Normal" (91 octane), "Super" (95 octane), "Super plus" (98 octane, Casting one's ancient mind back, that relates to the old 2 star, 3 star, and 4 star... ... I used to run my '52 Wolsely 6/80 on 3 star till the price went up to 4shillings and twopence per gallon, then I swapped to 2 star... SignatureRod >> "Normal" (91 octane), "Super" (95 octane), "Super plus" (98 octane, > Casting one's ancient mind back, that relates to the old 2 star, 3 star, > and 4 star... > ... I used to run my '52 Wolsely 6/80 on 3 star till the price went up > to 4shillings and twopence per gallon, then I swapped to 2 star... I used to run my first 2cv on two star when I was a student - in the late 80s, until they started to phase it out to introduce undeaded instead. >>> "Normal" (91 octane), "Super" (95 octane), "Super plus" (98 octane, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I used to run my first 2cv on two star when I was a student - in the late > 80s, until they started to phase it out to introduce undeaded instead. Whenever I could, I filled my 2CV with ICI synthetic 2-star. Seemed to be very clean, and I don't remember having to replace any of the exhaust system in that car's 7 year life. Signature-- ^^^^^^^^^^ -- Whiskers -- ~~~~~~~~~~ > The message <Xns977E4606256eldosampleman@130.133.1.18> > from Frank Kemper <spam-muelleimer@gmx.de> contains these words: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ... I used to run my '52 Wolsely 6/80 on 3 star till the price went up > to 4shillings and twopence per gallon, then I swapped to 2 star... My first car was a Standard 10 that ran on 'Regular' at 3/6d a gallon. We thought that price was too high to last for long. Signature-- ^^^^^^^^^^ -- Whiskers -- ~~~~~~~~~~ > My first car was a Standard 10 that ran on 'Regular' at 3/6d a gallon. > We thought that price was too high to last for long. I was born about a month after decimalisation. It's my birthday at the weekend. And I'll bet you'll feel bloody old when you do the maths. >> My first car was a Standard 10 that ran on 'Regular' at 3/6d a gallon. >> We thought that price was too high to last for long. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And I'll bet you'll feel bloody old when you do the maths. I don't need to do any maths to get that feeling. I lined up on a bridge to catch site of the first Diesel engine on British Railways main line. Signature-- ^^^^^^^^^^ -- Whiskers -- ~~~~~~~~~~ > I lined up on a bridge to catch site of the first Diesel engine on British > Railways main line. no doubt the next generation will be lining up on the same bridge to see the last! Rob >> I lined up on a bridge to catch site of the first Diesel engine on British >> Railways main line. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Rob There are still trains on that line, which is something. There are too many cars around now for it to be safe to stand on that spot. Signature-- ^^^^^^^^^^ -- Whiskers -- ~~~~~~~~~~ Wasn't it Churchill who said that America and Britain were separated by a common language. I had to look up decimalsation to figure out what you were talking about. This brought to mind a day in 1976 when we were visiting London and as we were walking into an underground (subway) station, this lady approached us and asked if we had to pee. She immediately saw the thunderstruck looks on our faces and held up a coin and said she was looking for 2 P. She, being very astute, deduced that she was talking to 2 yanks. My first car was a 1950 Ford Tudor Custom coupe. It got about 200 miles to a quart of oil. I don't remember the gas mileage since gas at that time cost about $.23 per gallon. >> My first car was a Standard 10 that ran on 'Regular' at 3/6d a gallon. >> We thought that price was too high to last for long. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And I'll bet you'll feel bloody old when you do the maths. The message <Xns977ED566B8404adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170> from Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> contains these words: > And I'll bet you'll feel bloody old when you do the maths. Age is merely a state of mind - but they didn't tell the body. SignatureRod I was reading <Xns977ED566B8404adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170>, made by the entity known as Adrian, that requests spam to be sent to <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> and I became inspired, >> My first car was a Standard 10 that ran on 'Regular' at 3/6d a >> gallon. We thought that price was too high to last for long. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And I'll bet you'll feel bloody old when you do the maths. alt.autos.citroen.geriatric? Signatured:J0han; Certifiable me http://www.aacity.net Citroen Newsgroup Newsgroups Are used to spread virusses. Did your newsreader post that virus? >> I was born about a month after decimalisation. >> It's my birthday at the weekend. >> >> And I'll bet you'll feel bloody old when you do the maths. > alt.autos.citroen.geriatric? I think I prefer alt.autos.citroen.isupposeimnotyounganymore I was reading <Xns977FC15C3AD79adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170>, made by the entity known as Adrian, that requests spam to be sent to <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> and I became inspired, >>> I was born about a month after decimalisation. >>> It's my birthday at the weekend. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I think I prefer > alt.autos.citroen.isupposeimnotyounganymore You forgot to add andgettingchubbyloosingsomehairsandgettinggrey. That'll be for you but I was thinking about the rest, that are glad if they can find a hair, even if it's grey and are big but still can find bigboy for perfect aiming. Signatured:J0han; Certifiable me http://www.aacity.net Citroen Newsgroup [sig is lost, please use Google to find it] >> I think I prefer >> alt.autos.citroen.isupposeimnotyounganymore > You forgot to add andgettingchubbyloosingsomehairsandgettinggrey. > That'll be for you but I was thinking about the rest, that are glad if > they can find a hair, even if it's grey and are big but still can find > bigboy for perfect aiming. No grey. Yet. I was reading <Xns977FDA0334545adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170>, made by the entity known as Adrian, that requests spam to be sent to <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> and I became inspired, >>> I think I prefer >>> alt.autos.citroen.isupposeimnotyounganymore [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > No grey. Yet. You can have some of mine. Got a brush full each day. My forehead is growing. Signatured:J0han; Certifiable me http://www.aacity.net Citroen Newsgroup IHUMFA
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