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Car Forum / Citroen Cars / March 2006Xantia rear height adjuster - no info in haynes manual
with regards to the above, I refuse to believe that the adjustment of the rear height adjuster is a dealer only job but the haynes manual <spit> suggests this is so and offers no description. having double checked my xantia it /may/ be riding slightly high at the back (by eye) and this may be why the rear end seems harsh. at some point this week I will be measuring it precisely (ever tried finding a truly flat piece of ground) but if it /is/ out, are there any guides on the web on how to adjust the rear height adjuster ? . (-@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : > with regards to the above, I refuse to believe that the adjustment > of the rear height adjuster is a dealer only job but the haynes [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > finding a truly flat piece of ground) but if it /is/ out, are there any > guides on the web on how to adjust the rear height adjuster ? Lift back of car, support PROPERLY, loosen/adjust/tighten clamp for height corrector link rod onto anti-roll bar, lower car, uppy-downy-normal, bounce, settle, measure. Repeat. It's one of those jobs that's SOOO much easier with a wheels-on ramp. > . (-@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Lift back of car, support PROPERLY, raise car on suspension, prop with axle stands ? > loosen/adjust/tighten clamp for > height corrector link rod onto anti-roll bar, is that an obvious linkage is it ? > lower car, uppy-downy-normal, bounce, settle, measure. > > Repeat. > > It's one of those jobs that's SOOO much easier with a wheels-on ramp. I may just take it in to one of my local citroen specialists, bung them a tenner to stick it on a 4 post lift and measure it before I proceed. . (-@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : >> Lift back of car, support PROPERLY, > raise car on suspension, prop with axle stands ? At the very least. >> loosen/adjust/tighten clamp for >> height corrector link rod onto anti-roll bar, > is that an obvious linkage is it ? Once you find the anti-roll bar and height-corrector. It may be a bit hidden behind exhaust etc. >> lower car, uppy-downy-normal, bounce, settle, measure. >> >> Repeat. >> >> It's one of those jobs that's SOOO much easier with a wheels-on ramp. > I may just take it in to one of my local citroen specialists, bung them > a tenner to stick it on a 4 post lift and measure it before I proceed. Do it ON the ramp - the adjustment is a trial and error thing. It really needs to be a "weight-on-wheels" ramp. > . (-@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > At the very least. 2 x 2 ton stands ought to be enough. >>> loosen/adjust/tighten clamp for >>> height corrector link rod onto anti-roll bar, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Once you find the anti-roll bar and height-corrector. It may be a bit > hidden behind exhaust etc. ok, will have a gander later. >>> lower car, uppy-downy-normal, bounce, settle, measure. >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Do it ON the ramp - the adjustment is a trial and error thing. It > really needs to be a "weight-on-wheels" ramp. like a 4 post lift ? http://snipurl.com/nwmt as opposed to a 2 post lift ? problem is, I have nowhere flat to check the measurements. everywhere I have access to is angled for shedding rainwater or likely to have a jobsworth chase me off. . (-@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : >>>> Lift back of car, support PROPERLY, >>> raise car on suspension, prop with axle stands ? >> At the very least. > 2 x 2 ton stands ought to be enough. I'm thinking about working space as much as anything. I hate grovelling in gravel. >> Do it ON the ramp - the adjustment is a trial and error thing. It >> really needs to be a "weight-on-wheels" ramp. > like a 4 post lift ? http://snipurl.com/nwmt as opposed to a 2 post > lift ? I've seen four-post lifts that have arms to support the body, too. And two- post ones that take the weight on the wheels. > problem is, I have nowhere flat to check the measurements. > everywhere I have access to is angled for shedding rainwater > or likely to have a jobsworth chase me off. I shouldn't think a slight slope will matter especially if it's a trial and error thing. I thought my HBOL had instructions for adjusting it however it's in the garage at the mo, I'll have a look when I move the car later this evening.  SignatureMalc Permitted to use the outs de lan >> problem is, I have nowhere flat to check the measurements. >> everywhere I have access to is angled for shedding rainwater >> or likely to have a jobsworth chase me off. > I shouldn't think a slight slope will matter especially if it's a > trial and error thing. As long as it's flat, it doesn't matter if it isn't "flat-flat", IYSWIM. It can be 45deg, if you like, and if your axle stands are good enough, as long as it's not got big lumps in it. Thinking about it, it's one time a big set of drive-on ramps is useful. > Thinking about it, it's one time a big set of drive-on ramps is > useful. Oh, yes... BUT IF YOU DO... IMPORTANT - SAFETY RELATED... Do NOT forget that the handbrake works on the front wheels, and that the suspension geometry means that the rear wheels move forwards and backwards as the suspension height changes. PLEASE DO NOT DROP YOUR CAR OFF THE RAMPS ONTO YOUR HEAD. And, if you do, don't come running to me for sympathy, tea and biccies. You have been warned. >> Thinking about it, it's one time a big set of drive-on ramps is >> useful. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > And, if you do, don't come running to me for sympathy, tea and > biccies. You have been warned. LOL ! you've obviously never _actually_ *used* a 4 post lift, have you ? if you had, or had even seen one being used, you wouldn't have posted that message ;-) . (-@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : >>> Thinking about it, it's one time a big set of drive-on ramps is >>> useful. >> Oh, yes... BUT IF YOU DO... >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> And, if you do, don't come running to me for sympathy, tea and >> biccies. You have been warned. > LOL ! > > you've obviously never _actually_ *used* a 4 post lift, have you ? Yes, thank you. > if you had, or had even seen one being used, you wouldn't have > posted that message ;-) By "drive-on ramps" I was referring to this sort of thing :- http://snipurl.com/nxkm not http://snipurl.com/nxkk You should be able to adjust the height happily on either of them - with that safety caveat on either. Stick it on full high on the workshop ones, back it all the way to the end, and then drop it flat, and it's still gonna catch you by surprise. Wheelbase is longest when the suspension's flat. These (and, yes, I can count past two to four) http://snipurl.com/nxks are no use for adjusting heights - unless you enjoy standing around winding the thing up and down umpteen times. > . (-@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > By "drive-on ramps" I was referring to this sort of thing :- http://snipurl.com/nxkm oh, I thought you were on about "weight-on-wheels" in relation to me taking it in to a garage and your "I've seen four-post lifts that have arms to support the body, too. And two- post ones that take the weight on the wheels" that you posted before ? I'd really like to see you get a xantia* up on 4 of those "5000lb" ramps. all 4 wheels on all 4 ramps ? with the tyres sat where those "5000lb" ramps have anti roll devices ? and able to roll off ? because of the handbrake arrangement ? /strokes chin/ LOL *any car . (-@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : > I'd really like to see you get a xantia* up on 4 of those "5000lb" > ramps. all 4 wheels on all 4 ramps ? with the tyres sat where > those "5000lb" ramps have anti roll devices ? and able to roll off ? > because of the handbrake arrangement ? /strokes chin/ LOL I've got a large pair (fnarr) I used to use regularly under a CX, thanks. You're welcome to borrow 'em if you're near the NW M25. Why four wheels? You only need get the rear up if you're only adjusting the rear. There's no front-to-rear "must-keep-it-level-with-horizon" levelling, y'know. > . (-@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > adjusting the rear. There's no front-to-rear > "must-keep-it-level-with-horizon" levelling, y'know. "Do it ON the ramp - the adjustment is a trial and error thing. It really needs to be a "weight-on-wheels" ramp." avoids spin: where do you take your datum for the +/- 136mm measurement if the rear has it's arse in the end and there's no flat spot under the point you're suppsed to measure from ? "Malc" <malunspamwhhite@lightindigooverthere.co.uk> wrote in message news:%UXTf.39682 > I thought my HBOL had instructions for adjusting it however it's in the > garage at the mo, I'll have a look when I move the car later this evening. Well blow me with a big blowy thing. You're right it says you need special tools and what have you. I'd give up right now. No way can a home mechanic do this job. Not on your nelly. It's obviously completely impossible. SignatureMalc Permitted to use the outs de lan >> I thought my HBOL had instructions for adjusting it however it's in >> the garage at the mo, I'll have a look when I move the car later this >> evening. > Well blow me with a big blowy thing. You're right it says you need > special tools and what have you. I'd give up right now. No way can a > home mechanic do this job. Not on your nelly. It's obviously > completely impossible. <g> Would that special tool be "A Credit Card"? > "Malc" <malunspamwhhite@lightindigooverthere.co.uk> wrote in message > news:%UXTf.39682 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > home mechanic do this job. Not on your nelly. It's obviously > completely impossible. HBOL ? the manual I have in front of me: quote: "Adjustment 15 if the ride height proves to be incorrect, and adjustment is required, the task should be referred to a citroen dealer, as special setting tools are required to complete the operation successfully" what does it say in your manual and what is your advice ? obviously, the Paynes manual is, as usual, cryptic to say the least and adrian is being ..... adrian. >> "Malc" <malunspamwhhite@lightindigooverthere.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:%UXTf.39682 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > HBOL ? Haynes Book Of Lies > what does it say in your manual and what is your advice ? Same as yours. I'd do what Adrian suggests which is to get underneath and have a good look then tweak it. I've not had a problem with mine so the usual disclaimers apply. SignatureMalc Permitted to use the outs de lan >>> "Malc" <malunspamwhhite@lightindigooverthere.co.uk> wrote in message >>> news:%UXTf.39682 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Haynes Book Of Lies ah-ha, never heard that acronym before. The height on a Xantia can be adjusted but as others have already said, this is only possible on a flat ramp. The reasons for this are 1) you DO need the weight on all four wheels, 2) You need to be able to move the height up and down without the risk of being squashed (yes this has happened) 3) The car needs to be level. To set the rear height. Have the car on a ramp with engine running At the rear height corrector you will find a plastic link, this links the height corrector to the anti roll bar link On the anti roll bar link there is a M7 bolt (11MM head), loosen this bolt and make sure that the clamp can rotate on the anti roll bar. Using a screwdriver, lever the peg in the middle of the height corrector back and forth, (Towards the rear bumper to go down and forward to go up) When the car is at the correct height, the anti roll bar adjustment clamp will have followed it to the correct position. Tighten the anti roll bar clamp (M7 bolt) I cant remember what the height is, but the measurment is taken from the rear of the back sub-frame mount. It's worth pointing out that the height corrector will never go out of adjustment on its own, unless someone has played with it, you may be needing a new one. Trust me I have fitted loads of rear height correctors on Xantia's, If you have a Xantia you will need one, it's not a question of IF it's a question of WHEN !!!! Check out www.citroen-hydraulics.com for piccies. Regards. Slim. > The height on a Xantia can be adjusted but as others have already said, > this is only possible on a flat ramp. The reasons for this are 1) you > DO need the weight on all four wheels, 2) You need to be able to move > the height up and down without the risk of being squashed (yes this has > happened) 3) The car needs to be level. Side-to-side, but front-to-rear's not so important. As long as you've got some idea of "ground level" and know what the car's true "vertical" is. Easy enough with the back wheels on a pair of ramps. - just stand back and look at it, it's obvious enough. There we have to differ in our opinions! The car needs to be level, side to side and back to front, otherwise you will be all day guessing, ok you may succeed in the end but only throu sheer luck. Regards Slim > There we have to differ in our opinions! > > The car needs to be level, side to side and back to front, otherwise > you will be all day guessing, ok you may succeed in the end but only > throu sheer luck. As long as you've got the weight on all four wheels correctly, and can draw the straight line from front wheel contact patch to rear, and from there up to the measurement point, why? (Genuine question, btw, before Dot accuses me of being uppity) There's no front-to-rear levelling relative to "absolute horizontal" going on. The car neither knows nor cares whether it's flat or at a couple of degrees nose down because the arse end's on ramps so you can grovel in the gravel. Yes, side-to-side must be flat because the corrector's off the anti-roll bar. Yes, it'd be preferable to do it on a nice big lift in a nice warm workshop... But, hell, what ISN'T? I changed the front wing on the Acad the other day. On a lift. With the wing at working height. Up a bit to do the bolts under the arch. Down a bit to do the ones in the engine bay. Am I an idle bastard? Oh, yes. Was it a pleasure compared to grovelling on the ground? HELL, YES. Am I an idle bastard? Oh, yes. And ME!! Slim >> Am I an idle bastard? Oh, yes. > And ME!! <grin> One sugar or two? Forgot to say, The Haynes book is very usefull. It stops your knees from getting dirty if you kneel on it ! Regards Slim. > Forgot to say, > > The Haynes book is very usefull. > > It stops your knees from getting dirty if you kneel on it ! Also makes a reasonable wheel chock in an emergency. > Was it a pleasure compared > to grovelling on the ground? HELL, YES. adrian, I've worked in over a dozen garages. I've done engine swaps in the street and cill replacements. head gaskets, you name it, I've done it. but I've never ownded a xantia so your childish 'I know something you don't' schtick is just childish bs. a straightforward talkthrough by slim has told me more about the job and /him/ than you've told me about the job in 10 times the amount of text. thankfully, I've already got your measure. I think you need to take a step back and reconsider what usenet is all about. and what sharing information is all about. take 5 mins to think before replying. . (-@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : >> Was it a pleasure compared to grovelling on the ground? HELL, YES. > adrian, I've worked in over a dozen garages. I've done engine > swaps in the street and cill replacements. head gaskets, you > name it, I've done it. but I've never ownded a xantia so your > childish 'I know something you don't' schtick is just childish bs. <rolls eyes> > take 5 mins to think before replying. I don't need to. Get your head out of your arse, Dot. > . (-@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Get your head out of your arse, Dot. this from someone who's webmaster of a website set up to facilitate the dissemination of information relating to citroen cars..... ffs ! webmaster for information or gatekeeper of information ? all depends on how petulant she's feeling today, obviously. > The height on a Xantia can be adjusted but as others have already > said, this is only possible on a flat ramp. The reasons for this are > 1) you DO need the weight on all four wheels, 2) You need to be able > to move the height up and down without the risk of being squashed > (yes this has happened) 3) The car needs to be level. that much I knew. > To set the rear height. > Have the car on a ramp with engine running [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I cant remember what the height is, but the measurment is taken from > the rear of the back sub-frame mount. 136mm +/- ish. if it's within tolerance I'll leave it. > It's worth pointing out that the height corrector will never go out of > adjustment on its own, unless someone has played with it, you may be > needing a new one. it may have been set high last time it was cleaned, lubricated &adjusted. > Trust me I have fitted loads of rear height correctors on Xantia's, If > you have a Xantia you will need one, it's not a question of IF it's a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Regards. > Slim. thanks slim. |
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