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Car Forum / Citroen Cars / April 2006

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no hot air in xantia td

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Crwni - 27 Apr 2006 08:32 GMT
no idea about cars but what could it be

the temp does not over heat but no matter what i do i never get hot air out
of the heater

Gareth
Adrian - 27 Apr 2006 09:34 GMT
> no idea about cars but what could it be
>
> the temp does not over heat but no matter what i do i never get hot
> air out of the heater

It'll either be the heater matrix blocked internally or the heater itself
not moving the inbound air over the heater matrix.

Is your heater thermostatically controlled - is it red->blue or does it
have numbers on it? If the latter, then that's a likely cause - the flap
that mixes hot and cold air is computer controlled and the brushes in the
motor wear, if it's anything like the ones in XMs. Get the fault codes read
out of the computer.

If it's the heater matrix, then try getting the cooling system cleaned out
and flushed through to shift the grot. If that doesn't work, then get shot
of the car. It's the bit they hang off the factory ceiling and build the
rest of the car around. It is a *nightmare* job on a Xant...
. - 27 Apr 2006 09:58 GMT
>> no idea about cars but what could it be
>>
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> factory ceiling and build the rest of the car around. It is a
> *nightmare* job on a Xant...

5 hours to do a matrix at my local specialist, /not/ a nightmare for
someone who does 'sometimes a couple a week' but it /is/ £175
labour /plus/ parts so not terminal to the car and, besides, who
would buy a car with no working heater ? and are you really
suggesting that someone offloads a defective car onto an
unsuspecting purchaser. is that incitement to commit deception ?
Adrian - 27 Apr 2006 10:19 GMT
. (--@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

>> If it's the heater matrix, then try getting the cooling system
>> cleaned out and flushed through to shift the grot. If that doesn't
>> work, then get shot of the car. It's the bit they hang off the
>> factory ceiling and build the rest of the car around. It is a
>> *nightmare* job on a Xant...

> 5 hours to do a matrix at my local specialist,

FIVE HOURS to remove the whole of the dash, together with half of the
engine-bay side of the hardware to get at the dash mounting hardware?

AND put it back together again?

> besides, who
> would buy a car with no working heater ? and are you really
> suggesting that someone offloads a defective car onto an
> unsuspecting purchaser. is that incitement to commit deception ?

I said "Get shot". I didn't say "sell it to somebody whilst lying to them
about it"
. - 27 Apr 2006 10:36 GMT
> . (--@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> AND put it back together again?

apparently. that's what he said to me when I asked what the book time
was 'about five hours' he may have been overestimating his timeskills
but it must get /lot/ easier when you've done a few dozen of them.

>> besides, who
>> would buy a car with no working heater ? and are you really
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I said "Get shot". I didn't say "sell it to somebody whilst lying to
> them about it"

the car may be otherwise perfect. getting shot is always the last resort.
besides, why would a grand poohbaah of the citroen owners club NOT
direct someone with a blocked matrix into the citroen independent
specialist network ? is it because he hasn't paid you lot a fee ?
Crwni - 28 Apr 2006 07:34 GMT
i had a new matrix put in last year as the old one had a leak

thanks for your replys.

Gareth

>> . (--@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :
>>
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> direct someone with a blocked matrix into the citroen independent
> specialist network ? is it because he hasn't paid you lot a fee ?
. - 28 Apr 2006 09:47 GMT
> i had a new matrix put in last year as the old one had a leak
>
> thanks for your replys.
>
> Gareth

have you ever had heat out of the systems since the new matrix
was installed  ? if not, then there's probably an air lock in the pipes.
Adrian - 28 Apr 2006 11:19 GMT
> i had a new matrix put in last year as the old one had a leak

Less likely to be that, then - assuming the cooling system was cleaned out
at the same time.

So - my momey's on it being a thermostatic climate system and the flap
motor being fubar'd.
Crwni - 28 Apr 2006 20:27 GMT
i dont remember hot air since where is the thermostatic climate system and
the flap
motor -

the slider moves freely left to right but no difference to any heat

thanks so much for your kind help - i cant offer to help with car problems
but any pc problems let me know.

Gareth

>> i had a new matrix put in last year as the old one had a leak
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> So - my momey's on it being a thermostatic climate system and the flap
> motor being fubar'd.
Adrian - 28 Apr 2006 22:07 GMT
> i dont remember hot air since where is the thermostatic climate system
> and the flap motor -

Buried in there somewhere... I could tell you on an XM...

> the slider moves freely left to right but no difference to any heat

Is it a thermostatic system? Are there temperatures marked on the temp
slider?
Crwni - 29 Apr 2006 11:53 GMT
yes there is temp on slider

Gareth

>> i dont remember hot air since where is the thermostatic climate system
>> and the flap motor -
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Is it a thermostatic system? Are there temperatures marked on the temp
> slider?
Adrian - 29 Apr 2006 18:37 GMT
> yes there is temp on slider

OK, so it is a thermostatic one. Might be worth getting the fault codes
read out.
 
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