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Car Forum / Citroen Cars / May 2006

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Xantia Spheres

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neil - 29 Apr 2006 20:44 GMT
Just bought some spheres for the front of my Xantia 1.9 TD 1994 from Sutton
Motor factors. I've not fitted them yet but was going to do it over the
weekend. I looked at the spheres after I got home, some hours after the
purchase and I'm not convinced they are the same type as the ones fitted. I
realise they are re-gassed but they are dark green and smaller (look more
like GS/GSA spheres) than the current ones which are a lighter green. As far
as I understand it my system is Hydroactive and the guy at the shop said
these were.
Does anyone have any info one whether they should look the same as the one
that are fitted even though they are refurbished. I've got to go back anyway
because there is sealing ring missing from one unit.

I know there is a significant difference in the price (£23 + vat from
Sutton, £41 + vat from Bristol Street/dealer) but I want to be sure I am
trying to fit the correct ones.

thanks for any help
Neil
Slim - 29 Apr 2006 21:55 GMT
Without seeing the spheres it is impossible to say, but the Xantia
spheres will be the same to look at as the GS/GSA spheres.

If they are recon spheres they may look a different colour simply
because they have been repainted.

There are 2 x different types for the Xantia, one is for the LX and SX
models and the other is for the VSX with the hydractive suspension,
fitting the wrong type will not have devastating results, but it's not
correct.

There are a lot of recon spheres on the market, some good and some bad,
I have taken some off the front of a Xantia before only to discover
that one was a BX front and the other was a Xantia rear, although both
labled as Xantia front.

Personally I will only fit either new genuine new spheres or Pleiades
recon units.

Regards
     Slim
neil - 29 Apr 2006 22:51 GMT
Perhaps I was wrong then about where I'd seen them before. (could be BX)
Mine is a Xantia SX and is hydractive as far as I understand from reading
the description of hydractive, it doesn't sink when the left standing or you
have to have the engine running to lower the suspension from high lift. (am
I correct there)

Neil
> Without seeing the spheres it is impossible to say, but the Xantia
> spheres will be the same to look at as the GS/GSA spheres.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Regards
>      Slim
Eduardo K. - 30 Apr 2006 05:39 GMT
>Perhaps I was wrong then about where I'd seen them before. (could be BX)
>Mine is a Xantia SX and is hydractive as far as I understand from reading
>the description of hydractive, it doesn't sink when the left standing or you
>have to have the engine running to lower the suspension from high lift. (am
>I correct there)

its not Hydractive if it does not have the button with the orange light
near the height control and 2 extra spheres under the car. All post-94
xantias have an antisink system.

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neil - 30 Apr 2006 10:00 GMT
Thanks for all your help, I'm going to take them back. I'll learn one of
these days to ask these sort of questions before buying the parts.
I used to have a tame garage guy I could ask who was Citroen trained and had
his own business but he retired last year. (more often than not I'd buy
parts from him)

Neil
>>Perhaps I was wrong then about where I'd seen them before. (could be BX)
>>Mine is a Xantia SX and is hydractive as far as I understand from reading
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> near the height control and 2 extra spheres under the car. All post-94
> xantias have an antisink system.
Adrian - 30 Apr 2006 09:07 GMT
> Perhaps I was wrong then about where I'd seen them before. (could be
> BX) Mine is a Xantia SX and is hydractive as far as I understand from
> reading the description of hydractive, it doesn't sink when the left
> standing or you have to have the engine running to lower the
> suspension from high lift. (am I correct there)

No, VSX and Exclusive Xants were the only ones to get Hydractive.

Hydractive has an extra sphere each end which is cut in and out of circuit
according to whether the suspension should be soft or needs to be firmer.
There's a button next to the height control for "Normal/Sport" (Hydractive
II) or "Auto/Sport" (Hydractive I)
neil - 30 Apr 2006 10:00 GMT
Thanks for all your help, I'm going to take them back. I'll learn one of
these days to ask these sort of questions before buying the parts.
I used to have a tame garage guy I could ask who was Citroen trained and had
his own business but he retired last year. (more often than not I'd buy
parts from him)

Neil

>> Perhaps I was wrong then about where I'd seen them before. (could be
>> BX) Mine is a Xantia SX and is hydractive as far as I understand from
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> There's a button next to the height control for "Normal/Sport" (Hydractive
> II) or "Auto/Sport" (Hydractive I)
neil - 29 Apr 2006 22:57 GMT
Slim,
If you wouldn't mind, have a look at the photo "Full View"

http://spaces.msn.com/arnoldschools/

Neil
> Without seeing the spheres it is impossible to say, but the Xantia
> spheres will be the same to look at as the GS/GSA spheres.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Regards
>      Slim
Slim - 29 Apr 2006 23:46 GMT
Neil.

I cannot tell anything by that photo !

You need to photograph the damper, under the large yellow cap at the
threaded end.

If your car is the SX model then it is not hydractive, hydractive
suspension was only fitted to the VSX and later the exclusive models,
these cars have a sport switch, enabling the driver to select a sport
suspension mode.

Anti sink was fitted to all Xantia's in about 1994

The anti sink cars have a 6 + 2 pump and anti sink valves fitted.

Take another photo and I will tell you what the sphere is from. What I
can tell you is the sphere is definatly a recharged sphere, as it has a
replacement filler plug under the smaller yellow cap, about 10 years
ago, a Dutch company were selling charging rigs that used this type of
filler plug, a lot of people bought them and jumped on the band wagon
of selling recharged spheres, some OK and some were dismall, but you
pays yer money and take a chance.

Personally, I wouldnt use it.

Regards
     Slim
Slim - 29 Apr 2006 23:49 GMT
Neil.

Sorry I forgot to say, Pleiades sell the correct spheres for the car
for as far as I can remember £16 each with a 2 year warranty.

www.pleiades.uk.com

www.citroen-hydraulics.com

Regards
   Slim
neil - 30 Apr 2006 10:00 GMT
Thanks for all your help, I'm going to take them back. I'll learn one of
these days to ask these sort of questions before buying the parts.
I used to have a tame garage guy I could ask who was Citroen trained and had
his own business but he retired last year. (more often than not I'd buy
parts from him)

Neil

Neil.

Sorry I forgot to say, Pleiades sell the correct spheres for the car
for as far as I can remember £16 each with a 2 year warranty.

www.pleiades.uk.com

www.citroen-hydraulics.com

Regards
   Slim
neil - 30 Apr 2006 12:00 GMT
Thanks again to everyone who responded, the job is done now and the floating
sensation is back.

Neil
Slim - 30 Apr 2006 12:29 GMT
Aint it just amazing what a couple of green balls will do !!

Now you just need to to the other 4 cos if they havent been done on a
1994 Xantia, they sure as hell will need changing.

Regards
  Slim
neil - 01 May 2006 10:21 GMT
The 2 rears were done end of last year. I know there is the main
accumulator, is there another.??

I'm not so good at changing the ones underneath its not easy to lift the car
with the pressure out the system.

What does a fault accumulator do, or not do as the case may be.

Thanks for all you help
Neil
> Aint it just amazing what a couple of green balls will do !!
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Regards
>   Slim
Adrian - 01 May 2006 11:57 GMT
> The 2 rears were done end of last year. I know there is the main
> accumulator, is there another.??

Antisink sphere, tucked away behind the rear subframe. That's the *real*
bugger to do, but it does need to be changed - it comes into play on the
rear brakes, as well as making the rear ride properly.
. - 01 May 2006 17:56 GMT
>> The 2 rears were done end of last year. I know there is the main
>> accumulator, is there another.??
>
> Antisink sphere, tucked away behind the rear subframe. That's the
> *real* bugger to do, but it does need to be changed - it comes into
> play on the rear brakes, as well as making the rear ride properly.

hmmm, interesting. I had 350kg+ of sand in the back of my xantia
a few times over this weekend and it rode /beautifully/ :o)

think I might swap the rear spheres for some cheapo regassed
jobbies and get the anti sink sphere done. as well as a flush, obv.
 
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