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C4 110 or 92 BHP?

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Xserty - 02 May 2006 13:40 GMT
Dear all,
    I recently bought a new Citroen C4 VSX 110 BHP and I've reasons to
believe that it's a 92 BHP!
Is there an easy way to make sure that the engine is 110 BHP as opposed
to 92 BHP?
Please note that I still do not have a Vehicle Registration Book.
Also, the rear of the car say "C4 Design".
I thought the Design package was only available for the 92 BHP version!
Regards,
    Stephen
Adrian - 02 May 2006 14:23 GMT
> I recently bought a new Citroen C4 VSX 110 BHP and I've reasons to
> believe that it's a 92 BHP!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Also, the rear of the car say "C4 Design".
> I thought the Design package was only available for the 92 BHP version!

What country are you in?

In the UK we get neither VSX or "Design" spec.
Xserty - 02 May 2006 14:21 GMT
Forgot to mention that!
I'm in Ireland.
It was my understanding that the Design package was only for the 92BHP
model, as the 110BHP model already has those extras.
Regards,
    Xserty

>> I recently bought a new Citroen C4 VSX 110 BHP and I've reasons to
>> believe that it's a 92 BHP!
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> In the UK we get neither VSX or "Design" spec.
Adrian - 02 May 2006 14:51 GMT
> Forgot to mention that!
> I'm in Ireland.
> It was my understanding that the Design package was only for the 92BHP
> model, as the 110BHP model already has those extras.

Citroen.ie does seem to say very clearly that if it's a "Design" it's
92bhp, if it's VSX it's 110.

What spec's the car got? The site seems to list the dual-zone climate as
being VSX only, along with stuff like auto lights and auto wipers.

It's not impossible that the wrong badge got put on the car - nor is it
impossible that the wrong car's been delivered.
Xserty - 02 May 2006 14:56 GMT
Hi Adrian,
    the car seems to have spec that are specific to the VSX model, that is:
dual-zone climate, auto lights, auto wipers etc., but I wouldn't rely on
these items to clear all my doubts!
Regards,
    Xserty

> Citroen.ie does seem to say very clearly that if it's a "Design" it's
> 92bhp, if it's VSX it's 110.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> It's not impossible that the wrong badge got put on the car - nor is it
> impossible that the wrong car's been delivered.
Adrian - 02 May 2006 15:11 GMT
> the car seems to have spec that are specific to the VSX model, that is:
> dual-zone climate, auto lights, auto wipers etc., but I wouldn't rely
> on these items to clear all my doubts!

Which would lean towards "wrong badge", but...

Like I said - email me the VIN.
Xserty - 02 May 2006 15:09 GMT
Really hope it's the wrong badge!
Regarding the VIN I can't email it to you for security reasons, sorry! :(
Thanks for your help, anyways! :)
I reckon my only option is to go the a different (from where I bought
it) Citroen dealer...
Kindest regards,
    Xserty

>> the car seems to have spec that are specific to the VSX model, that is:
>> dual-zone climate, auto lights, auto wipers etc., but I wouldn't rely
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Like I said - email me the VIN.
Adrian - 02 May 2006 15:25 GMT
> Regarding the VIN I can't email it to you for security reasons, sorry!

Oh, ffs! Do you have any idea how many cars have the VIN visible through
the windscreen, "for security reasons"?

Hiho. You don't want to know what _Citroen_ think your car is, that's not
my loss...
Xserty - 02 May 2006 15:46 GMT
The last time I gave my address (just weeks ago), I was selling my '94
Micra... they were supposed to view the car, but that very night they
came and robbed the car instead! Now aren't there Micras in every street
of the city? Who on earth would rob a '94 Micra? They F. did! So don't
come and ask me details about me or the car!!! Hope that answers your
concerns!

BTW, I can go or call Gallic Distributors for that information.
Regards,
    Xserty

>> Regarding the VIN I can't email it to you for security reasons, sorry!
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Hiho. You don't want to know what _Citroen_ think your car is, that's not
> my loss...
Adrian - 02 May 2006 16:01 GMT
> The last time I gave my address (just weeks ago), I was selling my '94
> Micra... they were supposed to view the car, but that very night they
> came and robbed the car instead! Now aren't there Micras in every
> street of the city? Who on earth would rob a '94 Micra? They F. did!
> So don't come and ask me details about me or the car!!! Hope that
> answers your concerns!

There y'go - they did you a favour...

Seriously - did they know the VIN of your Micra? How would that help them
nick it? Do I know your address?

If the C4 has a visible VIN (as the majority of recent cars do) will you be
covering it up? Bear in mind that it can then be tied to your registration
number, which we don't know.

Bear in mind we didn't even know what *country* you're in...

Personally, I think you're being massively paranoid. <shrug> You could have
had an answer by now... Good luck with the distributors - if they're
anything like CitUK, you'll need it.
Xserty - 02 May 2006 16:04 GMT
Sorry, but just put it like this: I'm too paranoid! ;)
Thanks anyway for your help!

>> The last time I gave my address (just weeks ago), I was selling my '94
>> Micra... they were supposed to view the car, but that very night they
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> had an answer by now... Good luck with the distributors - if they're
> anything like CitUK, you'll need it.
2Rowdy - 02 May 2006 17:05 GMT
I was reading
<news:Xns97B7A2F77D951adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170>, made by
the entity known as Adrian, that requests spam to be sent to
<toomany2cvs@gmail.com> and I became inspired,

> VIN

Quie?
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Xserty - 02 May 2006 17:03 GMT
Vehicle Identification Number: uniquely identifies your vehicle.

> I was reading
> <news:Xns97B7A2F77D951adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170>, made by
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Quie?
2Rowdy - 02 May 2006 17:25 GMT
I was reading <news:44578576$0$1355$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com>,
made by the entity known as Xserty, that requests spam to be sent to
<xserty@gmail.com> and I became inspired,

> Vehicle Identification Number: uniquely identifies your vehicle.
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>>
>> Quie?

Never heard of that. What's the purpose?
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Adrian - 02 May 2006 18:57 GMT
>>>> VIN

>>> Quie?

> Never heard of that. What's the purpose?

The chassis number. As clearly seen on a little plate through the
windscreen of most cars made in the last decade (or two in the case of
Ford, in particular).
2Rowdy - 02 May 2006 19:16 GMT
I was reading
<news:Xns97B7C0E3138E5adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170>, made by
the entity known as Adrian, that requests spam to be sent to
<toomany2cvs@gmail.com> and I became inspired,

>>>>> VIN
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> windscreen of most cars made in the last decade (or two in the case
> of Ford, in particular).

Thank's for the info.
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Adrian - 02 May 2006 14:52 GMT
> Forgot to mention that!
> I'm in Ireland.
> It was my understanding that the Design package was only for the 92BHP
> model, as the 110BHP model already has those extras.

<thinks>
email me the VIN and I'll check it on Citroen's parts database, see what
that reckons the build spec is.
Frank Kemper - 02 May 2006 20:12 GMT
Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> haute in die Tasten:

> email me the VIN and I'll check it on Citroen's parts database,
> see what that reckons the build spec is.

In former times, every Citroen had an so called ORGA Number, which
was different from the VIN (In Germany it is called
"Fahrgestellnummer" = Chassis Number). AFAIK you can find out the
exact manufacturing date with the ORGA, maybe it is helpful in other
ways. On most Citroens I know, the ORGA is painted (not engraved or
such) on the rear wall of the engine compartment. Posting the ORGA of
one's Citroen should be harmless in regards of security.

Frank

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Adrian - 02 May 2006 20:45 GMT
> In former times, every Citroen had an so called ORGA Number, which
> was different from the VIN (In Germany it is called
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> such) on the rear wall of the engine compartment. Posting the ORGA of
> one's Citroen should be harmless in regards of security.

But it won't tell you anything about the car, either.

If you've got a user name on citroen-pr.net, you can put a VIN in, and get
back the complete spec of the car. The ORGA number just tells you what date
the car was built. On recent cars, it's on the tyre pressure sticker on the
door pillar.
Xserty - 03 May 2006 09:51 GMT
Adrian,
    you mentioned citroen-pr.net in your post. I actually created an
account on that site a got full specs of my car, confirming that it's a
110 BHP! Pity it doesn't mention if it has the "overboost". Guess I have
to start another thread for this info!
Anyways, thanks to everyone who participated in the discussion!
Regards,
    Xserty

>> In former times, every Citroen had an so called ORGA Number, which
>> was different from the VIN (In Germany it is called
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> the car was built. On recent cars, it's on the tyre pressure sticker on the
> door pillar.
Adrian - 03 May 2006 10:14 GMT
> Adrian,
>      you mentioned citroen-pr.net in your post. I actually created an
> account on that site a got full specs of my car, confirming that it's
> a 110 BHP!

And VSX spec? Good. I thought I recalled somebody saying a while back that
Cit had tightened up on new accounts - but it seems not. Good.

> Pity it doesn't mention if it has the "overboost".

110 HDi is 110 HDi. I don't recall if it does have overboost or not. From
what people have told me about their new HDis, you'll find that it'll take
a fair few miles (_tens_ of thousands) to _fully_ loosen up and deliver -
so don't judge it too early.
Xserty - 03 May 2006 10:39 GMT
> And VSX spec? Good. I thought I recalled somebody saying a while back that
> Cit had tightened up on new accounts - but it seems not. Good.

It's actually very bizarre that anybody can sign-up and access the
information!

>> Pity it doesn't mention if it has the "overboost".
>
> 110 HDi is 110 HDi. I don't recall if it does have overboost or not. From
> what people have told me about their new HDis, you'll find that it'll take
> a fair few miles (_tens_ of thousands) to _fully_ loosen up and deliver -
> so don't judge it too early.

I read that too, but it's also confirmed in the maintenance and guide
book that came with the car.
Regards,
    Xserty
Adrian - 03 May 2006 11:28 GMT
>> And VSX spec? Good. I thought I recalled somebody saying a while back
>> that Cit had tightened up on new accounts - but it seems not. Good.

> It's actually very bizarre that anybody can sign-up and access the
> information!

It's actually very GOOD that they can. Cit should be applauded.
Xserty - 03 May 2006 11:40 GMT
>> It's actually very bizarre that anybody can sign-up and access the
>> information!
>
> It's actually very GOOD that they can. Cit should be applauded.

Indeed!
 
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