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Car Forum / Citroen Cars / May 2006xantia trailing arm link ?
someone (slim) posted a link and info on xantia trailing arm and uneven rear tyre wear, any chance of a repost ? tia Probabaly means rear trailing arm bearings !! Leave the car in normal running height. Stand well back from the rear of the car and look at the rear wheels. They should be upright. If they are leaning, in at the top, out at the bottem, then the rear arm bearings are worn. Look at the rear tyres, the inside edges take the brunt of the deal. Sometimes this can be heard as a crack as the car goes up and down at the back (sometimes they are silent but still worn) It is usualy false economy to fit a new set of bearings, as the seat in the arm will have turned egg shaped, as we all know, you cant put a round peg in a square hole. Pleiades sell a recon arm ready to fit, these are oil filled and the bearings will last out the rest of the car. www.citroen-hydraulics.com their new web site I think still under construction. Regards Slim > Probabaly means rear trailing arm bearings !! > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Sometimes this can be heard as a crack as the car goes up and down at > the back (sometimes they are silent but still worn) yup, silent but worn. the nearside bearing /is/ shot. > It is usualy false economy to fit a new set of bearings, as the seat > in the arm will have turned egg shaped, as we all know, you cant put a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Regards > Slim thanks, I'll take the car into my local cit specialist, see what he says. I can see the £ signs in his eyes already. Shuld cost you the price of a recon arm and about 2 hours labour. Regards Slim > Shuld cost you the price of a recon arm and about 2 hours labour. > > Regards > Slim interesting. I've just taken in for inspection and was quoted 4 to 5 hours c£160+ VAT for labour (I think I know why) and £70 to £80 for the bearing kit. I can't source the kit from my usual place so I'll have to pay retail. the cit bloke said that I'd spotted it very early and I might be lucky and be able to swap the bearing. if not, it's going to be £180+ VAT for a new trailing arm, plus any tube / labour for it /if/ the hydraulic pipes snap which can happen, apparently. so, £400 all in if I go that route. *however*, having just got off the phone with my other cit specialist /he/ agrees with /you/ that it's a 2 hour job and has quoted me £75+VAT for labour only. if plieades have a recon xantia trailing arm in stock I might be able to get that for c£100 after the recon rebate so not such a pi$$er after all. and whilst I'm at plieads I may as well buy 2 new spheres for the rears and get the flushing oil / refill thingum done. thanks slim, yer a diamond :) . (--@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : >> Shuld cost you the price of a recon arm and about 2 hours labour. > interesting. I've just taken in for inspection and was quoted 4 to 5 > hours c£160+ VAT for labour (I think I know why) and £70 to £80 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > /he/ agrees with /you/ that it's a 2 hour job and has quoted me £75+VAT > for labour only. It sounds to me as if the first guy has the attitude that to do only one side is daft, and has quoted you for doing both. Which makes sense to me. If one's f.cked, the other won't be far off. OK, so the nearside does get a bit more hammer from potholes etc, but that's not the real killer. > if plieades have a recon xantia trailing arm in stock I > might be able to get that for c£100 after the recon rebate so not such > a pi$$er after all. and whilst I'm at plieads I may as well buy 2 new > spheres for the rears and get the flushing oil / refill thingum done. Pleiades don't do spannering any more - just parts supply. > It sounds to me as if the first guy has the attitude that to do only > one side is daft, and has quoted you for doing both. nope, that's not the reason. he quoted for one side only. the reason he's over quoted me for 2 hours is that the last time I was in I had a seat subframe swapped which was a bitch of a job. I knew it was going to be a bitch of a job and that's why I took it in. along with some other bits I had done he quoted £114 + VAT but the job took /much/ longer than he thought, he even had to make up a special tool. I reccon he's attempting to claw back those 2 lost hours ! *failed* LOL > Which makes > sense to me. If one's f.cked, the other won't be far off. OK, so the > nearside does get a bit more hammer from potholes etc, but that's not > the real killer. nope, the /real/ killer is 18 months of driving over the 20 f$kin speed cushions I have to drive over every time I go out and come home. 10 on the way out and 10 on the way back and I always put the nearside wheel over them for my comfort. >> if plieades have a recon xantia trailing arm in stock I >> might be able to get that for c£100 after the recon rebate so not [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Pleiades don't do spannering any more - just parts supply. no sh.t, sherlock. I'll get the flushing oil done when the trailing arm is off and the system is depressurised and the new spheres are replaced, obv. I've been quoted £125 + VAT excluding the recon surcharge and £75 for fitting it so it's still a couple of hundred quid but much better than £400 plus any tube / labour for it /if/ the hydraulic pipes snap which can happen, apparently. What !!!!!!!!! You dont need to disconect any hydraulic suspension or brake pipes to change a rear suspension arm. The reason for more labour is down to the fact that you will be paying labour to remove the arm, strip and clean the arm, fit a new bearing kit (that may well fail) then put the arm back on the car. Usualy cheaper to fit a recon unit. Regards Slim > plus any tube / labour for it /if/ the hydraulic > pipes snap which can happen, apparently. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You dont need to disconect any hydraulic suspension or brake pipes to > change a rear suspension arm. really ? can you elaborate. > The reason for more labour is down to the fact that you will be paying > labour to remove the arm, strip and clean the arm, fit a new bearing [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Regards > Slim that's what I'm going to do. I'll be going down to Pleiades sometime next week to collect the arm and 2 recon spheres. To change a Xantia rear arm Chock the front wheels and jack up the rear Depressurise the suspension Remove the wheel Working under the car disconect the anti roll bar (2 X bolts) Remove the long M6 bolt holding the brake pads in. Remove the pads and replace the M6 bolt Undo the 2 x caliper bolts You can now move the caliper out of the way still connected to it's pipe Remove the pin holding the suspension cylinder rod to the arm Push the rod towards the rear bumper to get some room Remove the rear brake disc Remove the splash guard plate Remove ABS sensor if fitted (leave it dangling on it's wire) Undo the large pivot bolt Remove the arm Read from bottem to top to replace No pipes have been disconected and no fluids lost, you wont even need to bleed the brakes. The only realy fiddly job is, if your car has ABS, the sensors are a sod to get out, but with a lot od WD40 and a lot of patience it is possible without damaging it. The whole job should not be any trouble for a competant home mechanic. Regards Slim > To change a Xantia rear arm > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Regards > Slim thanks for that, I reckon he's definitely trying to squeeze a few quid out of me because I had one over on him :) I could do the job myself if I had somewhere to do it but I don't fancy grubbing about in the street. next house /will/ have space for a self built garage / workshop with a 4 post lift. apparently, you can pick them up for a few hundred quid. thanks again, slim. |
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