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Car Forum / Citroen Cars / July 2006My first Citroen? which one do i choose? ds? or cx? or bx?
Hi all, ive come to the point in my life where i need an unusual car. Citroen would be my first choice, ive always loved their style. Basically the choice is between a ds or cx (some people have suggested a bx, but i think the styling isnt as nice as the old ones) It seems the cx is getting quite rare, how are these for parts and reliability and keeping up with modern traffic? any big things to look out for when i come to inspecting one? rust i take it is a one of the big things to look out for, anything else? Im quite hand with my hands, and have owned old cars before, so working on the basics doesnt scare me, but what about these hydrulics? only to be done by an expert? well thats about all of it i think, just looking for some opinions from owners, thanks for listening to my question. > Hi all, ive come to the point in my life where i need an unusual car. > Citroen would be my first choice, ive always loved their style. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > well thats about all of it i think, just looking for some opinions > from owners, thanks for listening to my question. Having owned two CXs and a BX, I would say that the CX is by far the superior car. I recall the advert Citroen for the BX that ran something like "Loves roads, hates garages" - my feeling was at the time that this was because the BX spent so much time in the garage, that it was sick of the place.  SignatureRegards, Dave email: dave_ryman@hotmailNOSPAM.com My Homepage: http://www.zdp06.ukgateway.net/ The F1 travel guide: http://www.zdp06.ukgateway.net/f1_travel.htm > Hi all, ive come to the point in my life where i need an unusual car. > Citroen would be my first choice, ive always loved their style. > Basically the choice is between a ds or cx (some people have suggested > a bx, but i think the styling isnt as nice as the old ones) Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with BXs - but they really aren't to be considered in the same breath as the D and CX... Are Ds and CXs really to be considered in the same breath? No, I'm not sure they are. They're very different beasts. I've had four CXs, but never a D - and, to be perfectly honest, I just can't see myself owning one, even thought I adore them deeply. > It seems the cx is getting quite rare, how are these for parts and > reliability No problem at all. > and keeping up with modern traffic? A CX turbo has damn near 170bhp... > Im quite hand with my hands, and have owned old cars before, so > working on the basics doesnt scare me, but what about these hydrulics? > only to be done by an expert? Not at all. Very straightforward. Are you in the UK? If so, come along to the CCC National Rally this weekend, at Wood Green Showground, Godmanchester, Huntingdon. Have a damn good look at CXs, have a damn good look at Ds - see which floats your boat. > Hi all, ive come to the point in my life where i need an unusual car. > Citroen would be my first choice, ive always loved their style. <snip> > Im quite hand with my hands, and have owned old cars before, so working on > the basics doesnt scare me, but what about these hydrulics? only to be done > by an expert? Your main issues are going to be corrosion IMO [1], assuming that you can get your head around the hydraulics (have a look at this site http://www.citroen-ds-id.com/), both the D and the CX are real post war Citroens - the BX has a lot of Peugeot influence, especially in the engine and drive-chain. If you are just handy with mechanicals then you might be best thinking about a BX, although even BX rust. [1] unless you are very fortunate or can throw a cheque book at the car! I was reading <news:44b4b626$0$17965$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>, made by the entity known as :::Jerry::::, that requests spam to be sent to <me@privacy.INVALID> and I became inspired, > If you are just handy with mechanicals then you might be best > thinking about a BX, although even BX rust. The BX doesn't have the *Aaaah* factor. Signatured:J0han; Certifiable me http://www.aacity.net Citroen Newsgroup They killed the Credo. Viva el Credo! > I was reading > <news:44b4b626$0$17965$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>, made [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > The BX doesn't have the *Aaaah* factor. Nor does a CX for that matter, if you are a purist! :::Jerry:::: (me@privacy.INVALID) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : >> The BX doesn't have the *Aaaah* factor. > Nor does a CX for that matter, if you are a purist! Kill the heretic! A CX most certainly does have "Aaaah". An XM, otoh... I was reading <news:Xns97FE73EF995FCadrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170>, made by the entity known as Adrian, that requests spam to be sent to <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> and I became inspired, >>>> Jerry:::: (me@privacy.INVALID) gurgled happily, sounding much >>>> like they were saying : [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Kill the heretic! A CX most certainly does have "Aaaah". An XM, > otoh... I think the mk1 has some *Aaah*. The mk2 otoh.. Signatured:J0han; Certifiable me http://www.aacity.net Citroen Newsgroup I drank of the purifying Nirang, the sterile urine of the spotless white bull of which there is but one in ten thousand. I am the wearer of The Secret Girdle that once belonged to DE. > The BX doesn't have the *Aaaah* factor. I thought my Mk1 16V had loads of Aaaah (as well as Eeek on occasions!) TF I was reading <news:l6ftg.377$sz1.71@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>, made by the entity known as Tony Fisk, that requests spam to be sent to <fiskfamily @tesco.net> and I became inspired, >> The BX doesn't have the *Aaaah* factor. >> -- > > I thought my Mk1 16V had loads of Aaaah (as well as Eeek on > occasions!) Had an accident with a mk1 once. I was so distracted by the weird speedometer I didn't see that the car in front of me was braking. The BX has become so common it's easily forgotten that it was a revolutionary model. Signatured:J0han; Certifiable me http://www.aacity.net Citroen Newsgroup Random sigs should be banned from Usenet "Damian" <bigbruggsy@hotmail.com> haute in die Tasten: > It seems the cx is getting quite rare, how are these for parts and > reliability and keeping up with modern traffic? A DS clearly is a vintage car, which means that you have to take care for it and search for spare parts etc. Usualy DS-cars do not have an catalytic converter, ABS brakes are not available, so the use of an DS in everey day life is somewhat limited (okay, the use of a pre-war 15 CV Traction Avant may be even more limited). Compared to that a late CX is a more modern solution - which may well fall into the gap between vintage cars and modern cars. You will also have to search for parts and for experts to maintain this car, but its outdated emission standards may cause problems when running it in metropolitan areas (you will not be allowed to run such a car in many european cities, soon). Ever thought about a nice XM, fully loaded, in perfect condition? Frank > A DS clearly is a vintage car Strictly speaking, no. "Vintage" is a clearly defined term, applying to cars built after 1918 (Before that would be Veteran) and before 1931. > which means that you have to take care for it Same applies to a CX. > and search for spare parts etc. D parts are easier to find than CX parts. > Usualy DS-cars do not have an catalytic converter Nor do CXs. And that's good. Catalytic converters are bloody horrible things that should never have been legally enforced. > ABS brakes are not available They're only on very late CXs, not on s1 CXs which is - I suspect - what's being considered here. > so the use of an DS in everey day life is somewhat limited But you forgot airbags! And traction control! And ESP suspension! And Xenon lights! And headlights that turn with the steering! And fancy hi-tech manual gearboxes that operate the clutch for you! And all the other utterly unnecessary crap modern cars are inflicted with. I drove the Acadiane to work today, instead of the XM. And I enjoyed it FAR FAR more. There's loads of Ds in every day use in the UK, with many of them doing quite large mileages. > but its outdated emission standards may cause problems when running it in > metropolitan areas (you will not be allowed to run such a car in many > european cities, soon). Fortunately, that is very unlikely to be a problem in the UK in the foreseeable future. Traffic causing ridiculous journey times is a *far* bigger problem. > Ever thought about a nice XM, fully loaded, in perfect condition? Speaking as an ex-CX owner and current XM owner, I can only say... <yawn> The XM just doesn't cut it HERE <thumps chest> in the same way as a CX or a DS does. Sure, it's a far more practical car. If you don't mind all the little niggly problems they have. But it's just not got the same emotional involvement. Oh, and XM parts and expertise aren't exactly common. I was reading <news:Xns97FE735CDCBC9adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170>, made by the entity known as Adrian, that requests spam to be sent to <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> and I became inspired, > But you forgot airbags! And traction control! And ESP suspension! > And Xenon lights! And headlights that turn with the steering! And > fancy hi-tech manual gearboxes that operate the clutch for you! And > all the other utterly unnecessary crap modern cars are inflicted > with. Er. Headlights that turn with steering? Signatured:J0han; Certifiable me http://www.aacity.net Citroen Newsgroup Changing life, Breaking ground >> But you forgot airbags! And traction control! And ESP suspension! >> And Xenon lights! And headlights that turn with the steering! And >> fancy hi-tech manual gearboxes that operate the clutch for you! And >> all the other utterly unnecessary crap modern cars are inflicted >> with. > Er. Headlights that turn with steering? <evil grin> and the gearbox...? I was reading <news:Xns97FE7C6C8C9F7adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170>, made by the entity known as Adrian, that requests spam to be sent to <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> and I became inspired, >>> But you forgot airbags! And traction control! And ESP suspension! >>> And Xenon lights! And headlights that turn with the steering! And [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > <evil grin> > and the gearbox...? Also a Cit first? Signatured:J0han; Certifiable me http://www.aacity.net Citroen Newsgroup [18 lines] [Press ENTER to retrieve this message.] [Press M to mark this message for later retrieval.] >>>> But you forgot airbags! And traction control! And ESP suspension! >>>> And Xenon lights! And headlights that turn with the steering! And >>>> fancy hi-tech manual gearboxes that operate the clutch for you! >>>> And all the other utterly unnecessary crap modern cars are >>>> inflicted with. >>> Er. Headlights that turn with steering? >> <evil grin> >> and the gearbox...? > Also a Cit first? I dunno about that. I'm sure there were semi-auto boxes before - Citroen never really did anything *NEW*-new, they just slapped it all together and had the balls to sell it - but the BVH in the D was certainly a milestone that got forgotten and has recently been resurrected with many computers and much hype... Just like the headlights. > "Damian" <bigbruggsy@hotmail.com> haute in die Tasten: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > DS in everey day life is somewhat limited (okay, the use of a pre-war > 15 CV Traction Avant may be even more limited). Err neither of those 'things' are required for everyday motoring, indeed there are arguments to be made that both cause more problems than they solve. A DS is quite capable of keeping up with normal everyday driving - in fact (again there is an argument to be made that the DS is some what better equipped to do so than many cars built now. Indeed there is a parts supply problem, but then again try obtaining some parts for 15 year old cars - of most makes. Compared to that a > late CX is a more modern solution - which may well fall into the gap > between vintage cars and modern cars. You will also have to search > for parts and for experts to maintain this car, but its outdated > emission standards may cause problems when running it in metropolitan > areas (you will not be allowed to run such a car in many european > cities, soon). Says who, can you cite such retrospective (EU?) legislation please - if you are correct it will mean that just about all old cars (remember that the CX remained in production well into the 1980's) will fall foul of this. > Ever thought about a nice XM, fully loaded, in perfect condition? Hmmm, anything that relies on software and silicon chips is going to be bad news when the obsolete E[lectronic] CU or sensors give up. Ever wonder why the 2CV is so popular?!... :::Jerry:::: (me@privacy.INVALID) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : > Says who, can you cite such retrospective (EU?) legislation please - It's not retrospective, in that it doesn't require all cars to be retro- fitted with the kit - it just restricts the use of those without. It is part of local legislation in some EU countries - others go for different methods, like allowing city access to vehicles with odd numbers on the plates on some days, even numbers on others. > (remember that the CX remained in production well into the 1980's) CX saloon went out of production in 1989, estate in 1991. >> Ever thought about a nice XM, fully loaded, in perfect condition? > Hmmm, anything that relies on software and silicon chips is going to > be bad news when the obsolete E[lectronic] CU or sensors give up. That'll be fuel injected CXs and Ds f.cked, then, as well as any post-82 CX20 or 22 when the ignition brain dies. > :::Jerry:::: (me@privacy.INVALID) gurgled happily, sounding much like they <snip> > > Hmmm, anything that relies on software and silicon chips is going to > > be bad news when the obsolete E[lectronic] CU or sensors give up. > > That'll be fuel injected CXs and Ds f.cked, then, as well as any post-82 > CX20 or 22 when the ignition brain dies. Indeed, dead and obsolete ECU's will be the cause of more vehicles being taken off the road (and probably scrapped) than mechanical or body failure in the future. Even if the electronic parts are available the cost could well be more than the vehicles worth, IIRC there is / was at least one (then current) BMW that used to get written off due to bad accident damage to the LHF door simply because BMW in their wisdom placed the main ECU in the door. >>>> Jerry:::: (me@privacy.INVALID) gurgled happily, sounding much like >>>> they were saying : [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > CX saloon went out of production in 1989, estate in 1991. what's teh guide price for a top spec A1 example of both/either of them ? . (_-@.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : > what's teh guide price for a top spec A1 example of both/either of > them ? You'd struggle to pay more than £3-4k for a CX, unless it's a RHD Prestige Turbo (Cit only built five...) Any really nice D is closing on £10k - and a decap sold a little while ago for Eur125,000 - in need of restoration... <snip> > Any really nice D is closing on £10k - and a decap sold a little while ago > for Eur125,000 - in need of restoration... To think, when I started in the trade, people couldn't give them away - even the scrap yards didn't want them! Time machine, isolated dry old barn, trailer.... :::Jerry:::: wrote: > <snip> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > away - even the scrap yards didn't want them! Time machine, isolated > dry old barn, trailer.... but where are you going to get the 1.21 jigawatts of electricity ? > . (_-@.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Any really nice D is closing on £10k - and a decap sold a little > while ago for Eur125,000 - in need of restoration... I'll wait 10 years. let the bubble burst. Wow thanks guys, i didnt realise id get so much advice, im in australia and im thinking a cx is for me (earlier series, id love a prestige) i'll have to wait a bit though as ive searched the usual spots and havent come up with one in australia for sale. I think from what youve all said and what ive read a low mileage, no rust, higher priced car is the one for me, rather buying the cheapest and doing it up. Id love a SM but theres only a few here in oz and over 40k in price. I think i can get a good cx for under 10k though. I'll sign up with a citroen club first though and learn as much as i can, and i'll keep an eye on this forum, im sure when the time comes you'll be able to help out. Thanks again. >> . (_-@.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I'll wait 10 years. let the bubble burst. > Wow thanks guys, i didnt realise id get so much advice, im in > australia That makes a big difference, then. Cut out everything we've said about rust, for a start, and a D will be easier for you to find out there than a CX. Where in Aus are you? > I think from > what youve all said and what ive read a low mileage Don't worry about mileage - both CXs and Ds are perfectly capable of running up silly amounts of miles with no problem - my '89 CX GTi Auto was on 170k miles when I sold it - and it ran perfectly and looked damn nice. > Id love a SM but theres only a few here in oz and over 40k in price. "How do you make a small fortune?" "Start with a large fortune and an SM" > I'll sign up with a citroen club first though and learn as much as i > can You'll also find that's where the good cars are for sale. The really nice ones don't even get advertised - they just get sold by word of mouth. Thanks for the advice, im in sydney, but from what ive seen the majority of citroens are in melbourne, just a short 8 hour drive away. We still get rust too though, but d's are just asking silly money (the good ones that is, a bad one will only cost you a few grand) Why arent there many cx's here? >> Wow thanks guys, i didnt realise id get so much advice, im in >> australia [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > You'll also find that's where the good cars are for sale. The really nice > ones don't even get advertised - they just get sold by word of mouth. > Thanks for the advice, im in sydney, but from what ive seen the > majority of citroens are in melbourne, just a short 8 hour drive away. This guy's near Melbourne - well worth talking to. Don't know many round Sydney way, though. http://www.aussiefrogs.com/shane/ > We still get rust too though <chortle> No, trust me on this, you do not. You get a little bit of surface corrosion that soon cleans up. We get cars that break in half. > but d's are just asking silly money (the > good ones that is, a bad one will only cost you a few grand) Yes, same here. Except ours are a few grand in pounds, not Aussie Pesos... <grin> > Why arent there many cx's here? Because Citroen didn't import many. Because people didn't buy many, and because the Aussie Design Rules had their heads up their arses and insisted on lots of really really silly changes to some of the bits. I was reading <news:44b6c165$0$21714$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, made by the entity known as Damian, that requests spam to be sent to <bigbruggsy@hotmail.com> and I became inspired, > Thanks for the advice, im in sydney, but from what ive seen the > majority of citroens are in melbourne, just a short 8 hour drive > away. http://www.citroenclassic.org.au/ Signatured:J0han; Certifiable me http://www.aacity.net Citroen Newsgroup No, I am not demented, just gray haired Did you consider an SM? That is really something special, but unfortunately hard to find too... grtx, Willem > Hi all, ive come to the point in my life where i need an unusual car. > Citroen would be my first choice, ive always loved their style. Basically [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > well thats about all of it i think, just looking for some opinions from > owners, thanks for listening to my question. > Did you consider an SM? That is really something special, but unfortunately > hard to find too... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > the choice is between a ds or cx (some people have suggested a bx, but i > > think the styling isnt as nice as the old ones) Correct I owned one and it wasn't "a citroen". It looks as an exercise on computer modelling (CAD first generation)... didn't buy a second one, as I did with the GS... Theo I was reading <news:1hihlra.6xz9r41kfv7oN%tvanriet@planetinternet.be>, made by the entity known as Theo van Riet, that requests spam to be sent to <tvanriet@planetinternet.be> and I became inspired, >> Did you consider an SM? That is really something special, but >> unfortunately hard to find too... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Correct I owned one BX or CX ? > and it wasn't "a citroen". It looks as an > exercise on computer modelling (CAD first generation)... didn't buy > a second one, as I did with the GS... . Signatured:J0han; Certifiable me http://www.aacity.net Citroen Newsgroup Changing life, Breaking ground > I was reading <news:1hihlra.6xz9r41kfv7oN%tvanriet@planetinternet.be>, > made by the entity known as Theo van Riet, that requests spam to be [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > BX or CX ? BX Theo
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