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Car Forum / Citroen Cars / September 2006flushing oil, replacement £xpensive power steering pipe, comfort spheres
it's that time again, repair the few faults on an otherwise good car or declare it a POS, bin it and buy another one ? 1/ anyone know who does the cheapest flushing oil ? 2/ I'm getting quoted £100+ vat for a power steering pump pipe. it's a one piece job with about 2' of rubber hose in the middle, presumably to aid fitting. it goes between the hydraulic pump and the power steering pump. lots of complex bends. are they /really/ £100+ vat and how long would one expect a seriously experienced mechanic to swap one out ? 3/ are pliades the cheapest for recon spheres and *how* wallowy are comfort spheres ? broken damper wallowy or just comfy ? . (--@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : > it's that time again, repair the few faults on an otherwise > good car or declare it a POS, bin it and buy another one ? This is your Xant, right? > 1/ anyone know who does the cheapest flushing oil ? GSF do it for £14.50 for 5 litres - how much time do you want to spend trying to find it cheaper? > 2/ I'm getting quoted £100+ vat for a power steering pump pipe. Take your car to somebody with clue. It doesn't even _have_ a power steering pump. > it's a one piece job with about 2' of rubber hose in the middle, > presumably to aid fitting. it goes between the hydraulic pump > and the power steering pump The hydraulic pump provides the power for the steering. Any half decent Citroen specialist will have rolls of cupro-nickel pipe in both diameters, flaring tools and unions to suit. > 3/ are pliades the cheapest for recon spheres Don't waste your money on recon spheres. Just buy new ones. > and *how* wallowy are comfort spheres ? They're great for XMs and VSX Xants with hydractive that's stuck in permanent hard - or for people who are trying to mask other hydraulic problems. > . (--@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : > >> it's that time again, repair the few faults on an otherwise >> good car or declare it a POS, bin it and buy another one ? > > This is your Xant, right? depends. it might be my BMW 530d touring soon...... >> 1/ anyone know who does the cheapest flushing oil ? > > GSF do it for £14.50 for 5 litres - how much time do you want to spend > trying to find it cheaper? 0. what's the capacity ? HBOL is charecteristically vague >> 2/ I'm getting quoted £100+ vat for a power steering pump pipe. > > Take your car to somebody with clue. It doesn't even _have_ a power > steering pump. he has a clue, forgive me, I've misdescribed the part: there's 3/4 outlets from the hydraulic pump. one of those pipes turns into a rubber hose, crosses the front of the car under the rad then turns back into a metal pipe just under the front valance, near side. it's leaking at that point. >> it's a one piece job with about 2' of rubber hose in the middle, >> presumably to aid fitting. it goes between the hydraulic pump >> and the power steering pump > > The hydraulic pump provides the power for the steering. obviously, my bad. power steering actuator ? > Any half decent Citroen specialist will have rolls of cupro-nickel > pipe in both diameters, flaring tools and unions to suit. he is a cit specialist. he has all the tools. he's been at it for a long time and he's never had cause to do this particular job. when citroen faxed through the line drawings (to select the correct part number) we both agreed that /that/ was the right part. quote £95 +vat if you have information to counter that I'm all ears. I'm happy to give you the guys phone number and let you quizz him. >> 3/ are pliades the cheapest for recon spheres > > Don't waste your money on recon spheres. Just buy new ones. GSF again, right ? so all that regassing at the cit meet, is that a waste of money or a cash cow ? >> and *how* wallowy are comfort spheres ? > > They're great for XMs and VSX Xants with hydractive that's stuck in > permanent hard - or for people who are trying to mask other hydraulic > problems. ok, ta for that. . (--@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : >>> it's that time again, repair the few faults on an otherwise >>> good car or declare it a POS, bin it and buy another one ? >> This is your Xant, right? > depends. it might be my BMW 530d touring soon...... You're right. A POS. alt.autos.bmw is that way -> >>> 1/ anyone know who does the cheapest flushing oil ? >> GSF do it for £14.50 for 5 litres - how much time do you want to >> spend trying to find it cheaper? > 0. what's the capacity ? HBOL is charecteristically vague 4 litres or so. >>> 2/ I'm getting quoted £100+ vat for a power steering pump pipe. >> Take your car to somebody with clue. It doesn't even _have_ a power >> steering pump. > he has a clue, forgive me, I've misdescribed the part: Ah, OK. > there's 3/4 outlets from the hydraulic pump. one of those pipes > turns into a rubber hose, crosses the front of the car under the > rad then turns back into a metal pipe just under the front valance, > near side. it's leaking at that point. >>> it's a one piece job with about 2' of rubber hose in the middle, >>> presumably to aid fitting. it goes between the hydraulic pump >>> and the power steering pump >> The hydraulic pump provides the power for the steering. > obviously, my bad. power steering actuator ? Later Xant with 6+2 pump, I presume? Could well be - the power steering doesn't go through the main regulator block, like on older hydraulic cars. I'm fairly sure they're all-metal on my s2 XM, though. > he is a cit specialist. he has all the tools. he's been at it for a > long time and he's never had cause to do this particular job. > when citroen faxed through the line drawings (to select the > correct part number) we both agreed that /that/ was the right > part. quote £95 +vat Sounds about right for a Cit parts price... <wince> > if you have information to counter that I'm all ears. I'm happy > to give you the guys phone number and let you quizz him. Could take it to somewhere like Pirtek - if it's a leak where the flex joins the metal, they may be able to do something. >>> 3/ are pliades the cheapest for recon spheres >> Don't waste your money on recon spheres. Just buy new ones. > GSF again, right ? so all that regassing at the cit meet, is that > a waste of money or a cash cow ? New spheres are £20 each. Only lot I know of that still do regassing (Westroen in Manchester) charge £125 for five regassed spheres fitted. Haven't noticed anybody doing any at an event for years (but I might have missed someone) > . (--@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >> 0. what's the capacity ? HBOL is charecteristically vague [spell check] > 4 litres or so. thanks. will supply my own flushing oil and expect a small discount for the cit bloke not using any of his LHM >>>> 2/ I'm getting quoted £100+ vat for a power steering pump pipe. > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > steering doesn't go through the main regulator block, like on older > hydraulic cars. that's what he said. what do you think about it being a 2 hour job ? > I'm fairly sure they're all-metal on my s2 XM, though. <nods> >> he is a cit specialist. he has all the tools. he's been at it for a >> long time and he's never had cause to do this particular job. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Could take it to somewhere like Pirtek - if it's a leak where the flex > joins the metal, they may be able to do something. the entire metal union is corroded beyond repair. it's location is why I thought it would be a common fault with an inexpensive fix, what with all the water, salt and grit the part is exposed to. >>>> 3/ are pliades the cheapest for recon spheres > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > New spheres are £20 each. ok, ok. I'll buy new from GSF > Only lot I know of that still do regassing (Westroen in Manchester) > charge £125 for five regassed spheres fitted. will bear that in mind. > Haven't noticed anybody doing any at an event for years > (but I might have missed someone) <FX/tannoy>last chance for sphere regassing before the parade </FX> p.s if all 5 spheres are replaced (accum ok) and flushing oil is in for 1000 miles and the LHM is replaced but float isn't evident, what's the next likely fault ? there's a lot of life left in the car but there is also a limit to how much I'm willing to spend to prove that, iyswim. . (--@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : > thanks. will supply my own flushing oil Hasn't he got any? >> Later Xant with 6+2 pump, I presume? Could well be - the power >> steering doesn't go through the main regulator block, like on older >> hydraulic cars. > that's what he said. what do you think about it being a 2 hour job ? Dunno. Might be, might not be. Not stuck my head up one and had a look. >> Haven't noticed anybody doing any at an event for years >> (but I might have missed someone) > <FX/tannoy>last chance for sphere regassing before the parade > </FX> At Wood Green? Didn't see/hear that. Seriously, you should have found me and said "Hello, Adrian, I'm Dot"... > if all 5 spheres are replaced (accum ok) and flushing oil is in for > 1000 miles and the LHM is replaced but float isn't evident, what's > the next likely fault ? Sticky struts, f.cked rear arm bearings. > . (--@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : > >> thanks. will supply my own flushing oil > > Hasn't he got any? quack quack quack "standard price £25". yeah, right. >>> Later Xant with 6+2 pump, I presume? Could well be - the power >>> steering doesn't go through the main regulator block, like on older [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Seriously, you should have found me and said "Hello, Adrian, I'm > Dot"... I am not an internet stalker. any sort of club gives me the creeps. >> if all 5 spheres are replaced (accum ok) and flushing oil is in for >> 1000 miles and the LHM is replaced but float isn't evident, what's >> the next likely fault ? > > Sticky struts, f.cked rear arm bearings. rear arm bearing will be done. . (--@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : >>>> Haven't noticed anybody doing any at an event for years >>>> (but I might have missed someone) >>> <FX/tannoy>last chance for sphere regassing before the parade >>> </FX> >> At Wood Green? Didn't see/hear that. >> Seriously, you should have found me and said "Hello, Adrian, I'm >> Dot"... > I am not an internet stalker. any sort of club gives me the creeps. If you were there, and I was there, it seems more "stalkery" NOT to look me out and say hello... > . (--@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > If you were there, and I was there, it seems more "stalkery" NOT to > look me out and say hello... how do you know I didn't ? hmm ? /that's/ "stalkery" :o) . (--@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : >>>> At Wood Green? Didn't see/hear that. >>>> Seriously, you should have found me and said "Hello, Adrian, I'm >>>> Dot"... >>> I am not an internet stalker. any sort of club gives me the creeps. >> If you were there, and I was there, it seems more "stalkery" NOT to >> look me out and say hello... > how do you know I didn't ? hmm ? > > /that's/ "stalkery" :o) Quite... > . (--@-.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : <snip> > > I am not an internet stalker. any sort of club gives me the creeps. > > If you were there, and I was there, it seems more "stalkery" NOT to look me > out and say hello... But then 'Dotties' secrete would be out, I understand that it's difficult to disguise a penis shapped object... > the entire metal union is corroded beyond repair. it's location is > why I thought it would be a common fault with an inexpensive > fix, what with all the water, salt and grit the part is exposed to. Is it possible to replace the part with a length of suitably bent copper tubing as used in central heating and a jubilee clip? I did this successfully on a metal fuel pipe on a Pug 205D.  SignatureTunku "end user" v. A command regrettably not implemented in most systems. <snip> > Is it possible to replace the part with a length of suitably bent copper > tubing as used in central heating and a jubilee clip? I did this > successfully on a metal fuel pipe on a Pug 205D. I wouldn't like to do that on the 'pressure' side of a hydraulic circuit, and certainly not on a system that is safety critical...! |
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