>> Has anyone had any hassle with starting the C4? I find if it is left for
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Clive,
I just bought a C4 diesel here in Oz. Esteemed Spouse and I enjoy
sitting in the car by a river, listening to the radio and having a
coffee. I was stunned to find that after on 30 minutes, the C4 goes into
"economy mode" ie the car basically shuts down. Nothing works - not even
the cigarette lighter, or the windows, or the radio - until the engine
is started up. Everything works for another 5 mins, then shuts down again.
On a local internet forum, it was suggested that this was a battery
saving "feature", used because all the modern, new-fangled electronics
put such a drain on the battery.
I wonder if you have found a way to switch off the "economy mode". The
implication is, of course, that there would be a way of switching it
back on again if the car was to be left for a while.
If you (or anyone else) have discovered this magic over-ride button, I'd
appreciate knowing how. I'd risk the odd flat battery to be able to
enjoy our relaxing mornings again.
M
Whiskers - 01 Jan 2007 17:29 GMT
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I think it might be easier to take a self-contained portable radio to
listen to while the car is parked.

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Doyley - 02 Jan 2007 02:07 GMT
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Whiskers,
That seems to be the consensus on the other forums too. It just seems
very dumb to be sitting in a great little car, newly paid for with Big
Bucks, having to listen to a tinny tranny and start up the engine
whenever we need to wind up/down the windows. Surely modern technology
can overcome this???
M
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Sadly, mechanical window-winders and such things seem to be more expensive
to make and fit than the little electric gizmos, these days. I agree that
it seems bizarre that 'better' technology is in fact less functional than
the older stuff.
Perhaps car makers will eventually realise that car users sometimes want to
sit in the car with the engine off but still use other parts of the machine
- such as door-locks, windows, and radio - and can be trusted to manage not
to flatten the battery while doing so. (I spent 20 minutes stationary on
the motorway a few days ago, waiting for the police and 'motorway
maintenance' to clear some debris and let the traffic get moving again).
However, a flat battery on a modern computer-controlled car is not as
trivial as it is on a car that has no computers, and modern engines aren't
as easy to push-start as the older ones even if they can start without the
electronics working. So it is understandable that car makers try to
prevent batteries from being drained.
Fitting an 'accessories only' battery alongside the main 'starter and
essential electronics' battery, may be one way to overcome the present
unsatisfactory arrangement. That would be well beyond my DIY abilities,
but future care designs might incorporate something of the sort.
I've learned the hard way that my ZX will flatten its own battery over a
couple of weeks or so, just to keep the 'security system' running - and
the resulting flat battery is completely dead, it won't take a charge at
all any more. That is expensive, quite apart from the inconvenience of
having to move car batteries to and from the nearest car-related shop
without benefit of a working car. The only way to stop that from
happening is to disconnect the battery (or take the car for a drive, of
course). (I have tried a solar-cell trickle-charger, but it can't be
relied on - perhaps I need a bigger solar panel). So the battery-saving
arrangement in more recent models is a sort of progress.

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