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Car Forum / Citroen Cars / October 2007o/s side light help
xsara 2001...anyone no how to get the offside, side light bulb out.. cheers > xsara 2001...anyone no how to get the offside, side light bulb out.. > cheers I've got a 2001 Xsara Picasso, the sidelight bulb holder twists out anticlockwise and the bulb, a 501, just pulls out. I'm just about to replace mine with LED's, we'll see if they melt..... TonyB >> xsara 2001...anyone no how to get the offside, side light bulb >> out.. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > anticlockwise and the bulb, a 501, just pulls out. I'm just about to > replace mine with LED's, we'll see if they melt..... LED is what?.... Anyway, surely if either Citroen or MIRA (or country equivalent) thought LEDs were required they would either fit them at the factory and/or issue a recall notice?... > LED is what?.... > > Anyway, surely if either Citroen or MIRA (or country equivalent) thought > LEDs were required they would either fit them at the factory and/or issue > a recall notice?... Light Emitting Diode. The technology has come on leaps and bounds since the Xsara was first designed and they are now avaialble to replace sidelights and the like....at a price. They do last oodles longer and are used in BMWs and suchlike as standard nowadays. Incandescent technology however is perfectly adequate which is why no manufacturer will issue a recall notice.  SignatureMalc Night close in on a shanty town. Panama freighter wearing rusty brown. Well she sails tomorrow and she's homeward bound and you're bound to come home with me. The message <vEQPi.30289$c_1.15664@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk> from "malc" <malunspamwhite@blueyonder.co.uk> contains these words: > Light Emitting Diode. Malc - you should know better - he was having a moment's apostroplexy. SignatureSkipweasel We have always been at war with Iran. [George Orwell - almost] > The message <vEQPi.30289$c_1.15664@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk> > from "malc" <malunspamwhite@blueyonder.co.uk> contains these words: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Malc - you should know better - he was having a moment's > apostroplexy. LED's = The LED is doing something LEDs = Many Light Emitting Diodes The message <470fdf7b$0$47146$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net> from ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> contains these words: > LED's = The LED is doing something > LEDs = Many Light Emitting Diodes The exception being Greengrocer's = Many greengrocers. SignatureSkipweasel We have always been at war with Iran. [George Orwell - almost] > The message <470fdf7b$0$47146$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net> > from ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> contains these words: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The exception being Greengrocer's = Many greengrocers. Greengrocer's = of the/belonging to the greengrocers. Not that I am being in any way pedantic, you understand. :) > > The message <470fdf7b$0$47146$892e7...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net> > > from ":Jerry:" <INVA...@INVALID.INVALID> contains these words: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Not that I am being in any way pedantic, you understand. :) So.................nobody knows how to change the side light then.....think i'll get a ford....? > So.................nobody knows how to change the side light > then.....think i'll get a ford....? I had a Xsara II a couple of years ago, and remember that it was a bit tight to get at the back of the lights. You may need a small mirror to help. You take off the big round black cover off the back of the unit. If yours has twin bulbs, which I think they did, then there will be two of these. Remove the one behind the sidelight. Inside you will be able to see the back of the sidelight, and it either just pulls out or twists 90 degrees to get it out. Hope this helps. > > So.................nobody knows how to change the side light > > then.....think i'll get a ford....? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > out or twists 90 degrees to get it out. > Hope this helps. Cheers Brian i'll try that... cannot understand why they have made it so difficult...? >> > So.................nobody knows how to change the side light >> > then.....think i'll get a ford....? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > it > so difficult...? It's no more difficult than many other motor cars, in fact I can think of far more difficult / awkward car to change bulbs on than a Xsara. > Cheers Brian i'll try that... cannot understand why they have made it > so difficult...? Difficult? You should try a VW Lupo. All the manual tells you in that is "take it to a VW dealer". So there you are in the wilds of North wales, and a headlight bulb goes. You have a spare like every good motorist, but it does no good as you have to travel 50 miles to the nearest dealer. <snip> > So.................nobody knows how to change the side light > then.....think i'll get a ford....? Could always buy a Peugeot.... > <baza2...@excite.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Could always buy a Peugeot.... i hate this motor... had nothing but trouble with it from day one...grrrrrr The message <12SPi.3567$ah6.1861@newsfe4-win.ntli.net> from "Brian" <blecnospam@tesco.net> contains these words: > Greengrocer's = of the/belonging to the greengrocers. That's not how greengrocer's use it. SignatureSkipweasel We have always been at war with Iran. [George Orwell - almost] > The message <12SPi.3567$ah6.1861@newsfe4-win.ntli.net> > from "Brian" <blecnospam@tesco.net> contains these words: > >> Greengrocer's = of the/belonging to the greengrocers. > > That's not how greengrocer's use it. That might be so but that doesn't make it correct! :~) The message <4710cc69$1$47111$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net> from ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> contains these words: > >> Greengrocer's = of the/belonging to the greengrocers. > > > > That's not how greengrocer's use it. > That might be so but that doesn't make it correct! :~) That's why it's called the greengrocers apostrophe - "Lemon's" and "Cauli's". SignatureSkipweasel We have always been at war with Iran. [George Orwell - almost] >greengrocers apostrophe PLEASE tell me that was deliberate... SignatureIan D The message <a102h3liumg9s12odn12mcpdbn1ksk83nu@4ax.com> from Ian Dalziel <iandalziel@lineone.net> contains these words: > >greengrocers apostrophe > PLEASE tell me that was deliberate... I should hope so - after all it's only greengrocer's who get apostrophies in the wrong places. SignatureSkipweasel We have always been at war with Iran. [George Orwell - almost] > The message <4710cc69$1$47111$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net> > from ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> contains these words: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > That's why it's called the greengrocers apostrophe - "Lemon's" and > "Cauli's". Er, Cauli's is correct. TonyB The message <GMKdnTPQy40evIzaRVnygAA@bt.com> from "TonyB" <hatt.j.bennett@tesco.net> contains these words: > > That's why it's called the greengrocers apostrophe - "Lemon's" and > > "Cauli's". > Er, Cauli's is correct. But not for the right reasons if you're a greengrocer. SignatureSkipweasel We have always been at war with Iran. [George Orwell - almost] > The message <GMKdnTPQy40evIzaRVnygAA@bt.com> > from "TonyB" <hatt.j.bennett@tesco.net> contains these words: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > But not for the right reasons if you're a greengrocer. :-)) I'm glad to say I'm not. TonyB >> The message <4710cc69$1$47111$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net> >> from ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> contains these words: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Er, Cauli's is correct. Only if the singular is Cauli'. SignatureIan D > Only if the singular is Cauli'. Not so. The apostrophe has more than one use. In this case it denotes that something is missing, i.e. the "flower" part of Cauliflower. Therefore cauli' is correct. Same with 'bus = Omnibus taxi' =taximeter cabriolet and pram' = perambulator. Is uppose bra' being short for brassiere would be correct too, and my original example of photo' would also be appropriate. Many of these longer words have of course long since dropped from our vocabulary so it just depends how picky you want to be. TonyB >> Only if the singular is Cauli'. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Many of these longer words have of course long since dropped >from our vocabulary so it just depends how picky you want to be. Did you even read my post? Six words, and you didn't bother reading them? Cauli's is acceptable ONLY IF you use cauli' as the singular. I don't, and I'm prepared to bet you don't either. The apostrophe does indeed have many uses, but forming a plural is not one of them. That picky enough for you? SignatureIan D The message <gjt4h393ge2slhal65n7c0gts0ml2a2euf@4ax.com> from Ian Dalziel <iandalziel@lineone.net> contains these words: > Cauli's is acceptable ONLY IF you use cauli' as the singular. > I don't, and I'm prepared to bet you don't either. Nah, if it's a greengrocer it'll probably be collie. SignatureSkipweasel We have always been at war with Iran. [George Orwell - almost] >The message <gjt4h393ge2slhal65n7c0gts0ml2a2euf@4ax.com> >from Ian Dalziel <iandalziel@lineone.net> contains these words: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Nah, if it's a greengrocer it'll probably be collie. I thought that was Chinese restaurants? SignatureIan D >> Cauli's is acceptable ONLY IF you use cauli' as the singular. >> I don't, and I'm prepared to bet you don't either. > Nah, if it's a greengrocer it'll probably be collie. <shudders at memory> Hemel Market. Badly scrawled sign reading... "Paki Mangoe's" The message <Xns99C9DB7C646DFadrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.245.131> from Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> contains these words: > Badly scrawled sign reading... "Paki Mangoe's" I'm starting to think I'm going to apply to the Arts Council for a grant to be the Apostropher Royal for the year. I'd dress up like the beadle from Oliver and tour the land with a bell and a paintbrush on a stick. I'd ammend signage and then call attention to the offence with my bell and deliver a short treatise on what was wrong and why it's now correct. SignatureSkipweasel We have always been at war with Iran. [George Orwell - almost] Ian Dalziel (Ian Dalziel <iandalziel@lineone.net>) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> Only if the singular is Cauli'. >>Not so. The apostrophe has more than one use. In this case it denotes >>that something is missing, i.e. the "flower" part of Cauliflower. >>Therefore cauli' is correct. Same with 'bus = Omnibus >>Many of these longer words have of course long since dropped from our >>vocabulary so it just depends how picky you want to be. > Did you even read my post? > > Six words, and you didn't bother reading them? > > Cauli's is acceptable ONLY IF you use cauli' as the singular. I don't, > and I'm prepared to bet you don't either. I do. In fact I'm making Cauli(') Cheese for dinner tonight. >Ian Dalziel (Ian Dalziel <iandalziel@lineone.net>) gurgled happily, >sounding much like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >I do. In fact I'm making Cauli(') Cheese for dinner tonight. Bah. But then *you* probably put an apostrophe in pota'to. SignatureIan D Ian Dalziel (Ian Dalziel <iandalziel@lineone.net>) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> Cauli's is acceptable ONLY IF you use cauli' as the singular. I don't, >>> and I'm prepared to bet you don't either. >>I do. In fact I'm making Cauli(') Cheese for dinner tonight. > Bah. But then *you* probably put an apostrophe in pota'to. Dunno about that, but if it's baked, I like to put butter and/or sour cream in it. > Ian Dalziel (Ian Dalziel <iandalz...@lineone.net>) gurgled happily, > sounding much like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Dunno about that, but if it's baked, I like to put butter and/or sour > cream in it. But what if you dont like Cauli's, Caulies or Collys... >> Ian Dalziel (Ian Dalziel <iandalz...@lineone.net>) gurgled happily, >> sounding much like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >But what if you dont like Cauli's, Caulies or Collys... Just Say No. SignatureIan D The message <q0s6h3l11m3h9ncg56u37d45bgj6383b7a@4ax.com> from Ian Dalziel <iandalziel@lineone.net> contains these words: > Just Say No. End apostrophe abuse now. You know it make's sense. SignatureSkipweasel We have always been at war with Iran. [George Orwell - almost] >>> Only if the singular is Cauli'. >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Cauli's is acceptable ONLY IF you use cauli' as the singular. > I don't, and I'm prepared to bet you don't either. Not only are you rude, Ian, you are also wrong. "Cauli's" is perfectly acceptable as a pleural, the apostrophe denotes the missing "flower" part of the word. Therefore "cauli's" equals "cauliflowers". TonyB The message <l-OdnQaIdejFxYnanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com> from "TonyB" <hatt.j.bennett@tesco.net> contains these words: > Not only are you rude, Ian, you are also wrong. > "Cauli's" is perfectly acceptable as a pleural, the apostrophe denotes the > missing "flower" part of the word. Therefore > "cauli's" equals "cauliflowers". Only in the transitional form, which most people have gone beyond by now. SignatureSkipweasel We have always been at war with Iran. [George Orwell - almost] > Not only are you rude, Ian, you are also wrong. > "Cauli's" is perfectly acceptable as a pleural, Excellent. I see you are keeping up the tradition of including a speeling mistook in any grammar flame. SignatureMalc Night close in on a shanty town. Panama freighter wearing rusty brown. Well she sails tomorrow and she's homeward bound and you're bound to come home with me. >> Not only are you rude, Ian, you are also wrong. >> "Cauli's" is perfectly acceptable as a pleural, > > Excellent. I see you are keeping up the tradition of including a speeling > mistook in any grammar flame. I'm beginning to think you guys are trying to wind me up. Where's the spelling mistake Malc? TonyB >>> Not only are you rude, Ian, you are also wrong. >>> "Cauli's" is perfectly acceptable as a pleural, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I'm beginning to think you guys are trying to wind me up. > Where's the spelling mistake Malc? Plural. Pleural: the serous membrane covering the lungs and lining the walls of the thoracic cavity; the two layers thus enclose a potential space - the pleural cavity. But it is traditional to include at least one mistake in any post criticising someone else's spelling or grammar. It's an old charter or something. SignatureMalc Night close in on a shanty town. Panama freighter wearing rusty brown. Well she sails tomorrow and she's homeward bound and you're bound to come home with me. >>> Excellent. I see you are keeping up the tradition of including a >>> speeling mistook in any grammar flame. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > criticising someone else's spelling or grammar. It's an old charter or > something. :-)) You are quite right of course. I work in a hospital and forgot where I was for a moment. TonyB > :-)) You are quite right of course. I work in a hospital and forgot where I > was for > a moment. So do I as an electronics engineer. SignatureMalc The message <fKidnZnDdbd9g4janZ2dnUVZ8rOdnZ2d@bt.com> from "TonyB" <hatt.j.bennett@tesco.net> contains these words: > Where's the spelling mistake Malc? Pleural? SignatureSkipweasel We have always been at war with Iran. [George Orwell - almost] >>>> Only if the singular is Cauli'. >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >missing "flower" part of the word. Therefore >"cauli's" equals "cauliflowers". I think not reading what I'm saying is the rude bit! "Cauli's" is NOT acceptable as a plural for "cauli". Thge elision nhas occurred in the si ngular - why would it need marking only in the plural? SignatureIan D >>> Six words, and you didn't bother reading them? >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Thge elision nhas occurred in the si ngular - why would it need > marking only in the plural? I'm not sure what you are trying to say Ian. No greengrocer would attempt to sell a single cauliflower so by putting a sign up that says "Cauli's" he implies he has more than one cauliflower to sell. Hence "Cauli's" is correct whereas "Lemon's" is not correct no matter how many he is trying to sell. The reason "Cauli's" is correct is that the apostrophe denotes the missing "flowers" part and does not imply posession nor is it an abbreviation. These are the other possible uses of the apostrophe. One may only use the word "Cauli's" as a pleural, in the singular it would indeed be incorrect. If the shop has only one cauliflower to sell, then the sign "Cauli's" would be wrong, because "Cauli's " equals "Cauliflowers" You say "Cauli's" is NOT acceptable as a plural for "cauli" but you don't attempt to explain why. I'm trying to show you that it's the same as the word "photo'" where "photo's" is equal to "photographs". TonyB TonyB >>>> Six words, and you didn't bother reading them? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >"photo's" is equal to >"photographs". Tony, I know all about the apostrophe marking an elision. Look at the sentence you just wrote. Now tell me why "photo's" is equal to "photographs" when "photo" is apparently not equal to "photograph"? It is arguable that the apostrophe should be used in these words - it would be an archaic and very strange usage, but it's arguable - but if it is, it should be used in the singular. It is never acceptable to use an apostrophe to form a plural. * To go back to what I said in the first place - "cauli's" is - just - arguably correct as a plural for "cauli' " but NOT for "cauli". * There is a more respectable exception, which I think is both archaic and American - an apostrophe used to be used for plurals of single letters and abbreviations. "Mind your p's and q's" and "M.P.'s" are not so much wrong as to be avoided. SignatureIan D >"M.P.'s" are not so much wrong as to be avoided. No argument from me on that point. -- Malc >>"M.P.'s" are not so much wrong as to be avoided. >> >No argument from me on that point. Heh. SignatureIan D > On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:53:55 -0700, Malc > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Ian D best and longest thread have ever seen about a light bulb... >> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:53:55 -0700, Malc >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > best and longest thread have ever seen about a light bulb... LOL (or light bulb's) <runs for cover> B >>You say "Cauli's" is NOT acceptable as a plural for "cauli" but you don't >>attempt to explain why. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > letters and abbreviations. "Mind your p's and q's" and "M.P.'s" are > not so much wrong as to be avoided. I didn't say "photo", I said "photo'" - with an apostrophe. That is exactly how I write it if I'm abbreviating. I would do the same with "cauli'" should I ever abbreviate the word cauliflower. However, as I said earlier, some words which strictly speaking should use an apostrophe have become so much part of our language without that I don't think anyone would argue that it should be in there. Such examples I gave earlier included "taxi". In that respect we are in agreement, but my original argument that the greegocer's "cauli's" was correct, albeit for the wrong reason possibly, still stands. TonyB >>>You say "Cauli's" is NOT acceptable as a plural for "cauli" but you don't >>>attempt to explain why. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >argument that the greegocer's >"cauli's" was correct, albeit for the wrong reason possibly, still stands. Well we seem to be in agreement - if you actually read what I said! I'll try to rephrase it. It is not incorrect to use an apostrophe in those abbreviated words - although in my opinion it is now unusual. It IS wrong to add an apostrophe to form the plural. That is why my original comment was that cauli's was acceptable as a plural ONLY if cauli' was used as the singular. Now, by all means read what I say and disagree with it. If you just skim over it, tell me I'm wrong and deliver a lecture on a largely unrelated subject you will find out just how rude I *can* be! :-) SignatureIan D > Well we seem to be in agreement - if you actually read what I said! That'll do for me. We seem to have strayed just a little off-topic so if we're in agreement maybe it's best to leave it at that. TonyB >>>>You say "Cauli's" is NOT acceptable as a plural for "cauli" but you don't >>>>attempt to explain why. [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > unrelated subject you will find out just how rude I *can* be! > :-) But the apostrophe is not used to indicate an abbreviation; it is used to indicate a contraction (such as the wi in I'll or the o in didn't) or possesive (as in my car's wheels) but not a plural (unless you're a grocer and so benefit from the licence to use apostrophes in that position). If you wish to indicate an abbreviation, use a full stop [American "period"] - but that is not done if the abbreviation is pluralised (again, unless you are a grocer, of course). The correct plural of cauli is caulies. Or is it caulis? Perhaps I'll just have the peas. See also "Eats Shoots and Leaves" by Lynn Truss - and if you dare, the newsgroup alt.possessive.its.has.no.apostrophe :)) Signature-- ^^^^^^^^^^ -- Whiskers -- ~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>You say "Cauli's" is NOT acceptable as a plural for "cauli" but you don't >>>>>attempt to explain why. [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >See also "Eats Shoots and Leaves" by Lynn Truss - and if you dare, the >newsgroup alt.possessive.its.has.no.apostrophe :)) In the context I used it, I hope it was clear that I used "abbreviation" literally, meaning "shortening" - the examples being discussed are all contractions. If you have "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" (DO try to get it wrong when it matters!) you might want to check it - it is Lynn Truss who maintains that an apostrophe was formerly required in the plural of initialisms such as "m.p.". SignatureIan D [...] >>But the apostrophe is not used to indicate an abbreviation; it is used to >>indicate a contraction (such as the wi in I'll or the o in didn't) or [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > "abbreviation" literally, meaning "shortening" - the examples being > discussed are all contractions. .-----<http://www.answers.com/contraction?cat=biz-fin&nafid=3> | [...] | [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] | | [...] '----- .-----<http://www.answers.com/abbreviation?nafid=3> | [...] | [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | | [...] '----- > If you have "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" (DO try to get it wrong when it > matters!) I thought I had. > you might want to check it - it is Lynn Truss who maintains > that an apostrophe was formerly required in the plural of initialisms > such as "m.p.". *formerly*. Not that anyone is final arbiter for English usage, of course :)) <http://eatsshootsandleaves.com/ESLquiz.html> (Flash required). Signature-- ^^^^^^^^^^ -- Whiskers -- ~~~~~~~~~~ > The message <vEQPi.30289$c_1.15664@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk> > from "malc" <malunspamwhite@blueyonder.co.uk> contains these words: > >> Light Emitting Diode. > > Malc - you should know better - he was having a moment's apostroplexy. Hello Guy, considering a Citroen? SignatureMalc Night close in on a shanty town. Panama freighter wearing rusty brown. Well she sails tomorrow and she's homeward bound and you're bound to come home with me. The message <yaRPi.30311$c_1.11948@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk> from "malc" <malunspamwhite@blueyonder.co.uk> contains these words: > Hello Guy, considering a Citroen? DKUATB - I bought a Xantia a few weeks ago. SignatureSkipweasel We have always been at war with Iran. [George Orwell - almost] > The message <yaRPi.30311$c_1.11948@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk> > from "malc" <malunspamwhite@blueyonder.co.uk> contains these words: > >> Hello Guy, considering a Citroen? > > DKUATB - I bought a Xantia a few weeks ago. Can't think how that apostrophe got in there, not like me at all, except in photo's of course. TonyB >> The message <yaRPi.30311$c_1.11948@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk> >> from "malc" <malunspamwhite@blueyonder.co.uk> contains these words: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > in photo's of course. > TonyB Come to think of it, I was much too hard on myself - LED's is an abbreviation, the apostrophe indicates something has been left out and is therefore quite correct. Like photo's. TonyB |
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