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Car Forum / Citroen Cars / November 2007Berlingo fan heater
ok, now winter is drawing nearer, the fan in my trusty Berlingo has decided its had enuff and wants to hang up its boots and retire to the countryside.. it starts when it wants to, but when it does it has a sorta "whirr whirr (repeat)..." noise coming from it.. my question is, are fans expensive? and are they a big job to replace? as I cant see any other way into it except by removing the dash :( Keith > ok, now winter is drawing nearer, the fan in my trusty Berlingo has decided > its had enuff and wants to hang up its boots and retire to the countryside.. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Keith Don't know the cost of a new fan, but by the sound of it all it needs is a couple of pence worth of oil on the bearings - if you can get to them. >> ok, now winter is drawing nearer, the fan in my trusty Berlingo has > decided [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > couple of pence worth of oil on the bearings - if you can get to > them. That would most like totally finish off the motor, most of these motor bearing are made from self lubricating materials, designed *not* to be oiled! > >> ok, now winter is drawing nearer, the fan in my trusty Berlingo has > > decided [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > bearing are made from self lubricating materials, designed *not* to be > oiled! Agree that most are "sealed for life", but most also in my experience are metal bearings, often that compressed stuff, which are porous, and soaked in lubricant on assembly. This dries out in time, hence the application of a little more oil. Have done it many times. If the motor is stuffed anyway, what is there to lose? The only type which would not work with oil would be a nylon type bearing. >> >> ok, now winter is drawing nearer, the fan in my trusty Berlingo >> >> has [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > The only type which would not work with oil would be a nylon type > bearing. What is there to loose? The vehicle if the motor should catch fire?! There is a difference between 'oilable' bearings and bearings designed not to be oiled, a lot depends on the design of the motor not just the bearing. > What is there to loose? The vehicle if the motor should catch fire?! > There is a difference between 'oilable' bearings and bearings designed > not to be oiled, a lot depends on the design of the motor not just the > bearing. Of course it might also detonate that thermo-nuclear device that is built into the fan motors on all these french cars, and take out the city too. The motor if siezed, is more likely to catch fire in its current state. >> What is there to loose? The vehicle if the motor should catch >> fire?! [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > into the fan motors on all these french cars, and take out the city > too. When f*cked, troll.... > The motor if siezed, is more likely to catch fire in its current > state. Or, more likely, just blow a fuse... > >> What is there to loose? The vehicle if the motor should catch > >> fire?! [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Or, more likely, just blow a fuse... Which is also what it would do as you so rightly say if the bearing was oiled and should not have been. Foot - bang - ouch. >> >> What is there to loose? The vehicle if the motor should catch >> >> fire?! [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > oiled and should not have been. > Foot - bang - ouch. No it would not, why would a fuse blow when the motor is running normally, the problem with oil is because the motor armature is flinging any excess oil about, they atomise fuel oil in boilers etc to make it burn more easily, whilst worn armature bushes are well known for arcing... The message <4727a6ad$0$47127$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net> from ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> contains these words: > No it would not, why would a fuse blow when the motor is running > normally, the problem with oil is because the motor armature is > flinging any excess oil about, they atomise fuel oil in boilers etc to > make it burn more easily, whilst worn armature bushes are well known > for arcing... How much oil are we talking about, here?  SignatureSkipweasel Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. > The message > <4727a6ad$0$47127$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > How much oil are we talking about, here? That depends on how ham-fisted the person is, more than you or I would use Guy though... > > The message > > <4727a6ad$0$47127$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > That depends on how ham-fisted the person is, more than you or I would > use Guy though... Agreed, if you were to immerse the whole thing in oil then it could be a tad excessive, but since most of us are not that stupid....... I have probably had more experience in this than many over my lifetime, and found that a couple of drops of the correct grade of oil can work wonders. That way it never gets near any commutator, so will be no problem. Perhaps if I lubricated it with easystart, or similar, or brake fluid even. That's probably the most volatile fluid on a car these days. >> > The message >> > <4727a6ad$0$47127$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > be a tad > excessive, but since most of us are not that stupid....... Want a bet on that, with 30 odd years in the trade believe me, some people are stupid enough to put excusive mounts of freeing oils on things. > I have probably had more experience in this than many over my > lifetime, and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > fluid even. > That's probably the most volatile fluid on a car these days. Don't forget that many of these heater motors are cited were dead leaves and combustible dust can collect, it's not so much the oil catching fire but smouldering oil setting fire to debris that has collected. > > Agreed, if you were to immerse the whole thing in oil then it could > > be a tad [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > catching fire but smouldering oil setting fire to debris that has > collected. Well we are agreed that excessive lubrication might well be a bad thing, but please don't tar everyone with the same brush. Some of us have more sense. <snip> > Well we are agreed that excessive lubrication might well be a bad > thing, but > please don't tar everyone with the same brush. Some of us have more > sense. Well there are certainly three of us who do, I don't think any of us know who else is reading this public group though.... The message <472b4ec2$0$47118$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net> from ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> contains these words: > Well there are certainly three of us who do, I don't think any of us > know who else is reading this public group though.... Ain't Darwinism great! SignatureSkipweasel Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. The message <%0rWi.5961$7k5.3797@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net> from "Brian" <blecnospam@tesco.net> contains these words: > Perhaps if I lubricated it with easystart, I'm amazed the kids haven't cottoned on to EasyStart. You can get utterly bombed on it. SignatureSkipweasel Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. > The message <%0rWi.5961$7k5.3797@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net> > from "Brian" <blecnospam@tesco.net> contains these words: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'm amazed the kids haven't cottoned on to EasyStart. You can get > utterly bombed on it. If it does to brains what it can do to piston crowns.... The message <NfNUi.282$ib1.163@newsfe3-win.ntli.net> from "Brian" <blecnospam@tesco.net> contains these words: > that compressed stuff, Sintered bronze is what you're groping for! SignatureSkipweasel Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. > The message <NfNUi.282$ib1.163@newsfe3-win.ntli.net> > from "Brian" <blecnospam@tesco.net> contains these words: > > > that compressed stuff, > > Sintered bronze is what you're groping for! Exactly. > > The message <NfNUi.282$ib1.163@newsfe3-win.ntli.net> > > from "Brian" <blecnospam@tesco.net> contains these words: > > > > > that compressed stuff, > > > > Sintered bronze is what you're groping for! I blame the altzheimers, one pint too many and your memory goes. >> > The message <NfNUi.282$ib1.163@newsfe3-win.ntli.net> >> > from "Brian" <blecnospam@tesco.net> contains these words: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> > I blame the altzheimers, one pint too many and your memory goes. In your case, one thimble full... The message <YKhVi.3990$gq3.2549@newsfe7-win.ntli.net> from "Brian" <blecnospam@tesco.net> contains these words: > I blame the altzheimers, one pint too many and your memory goes. Or, as I heard it called a while ago in a wonderful malapropism, "Oldtimers' disease". You can juggle with the apostrophes in that to your hearts' content. (this comment was addressed to several people, hence the apostrophe after the s, not before) SignatureSkipweasel Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. > ok, now winter is drawing nearer, the fan in my trusty Berlingo has > decided its had enuff and wants to hang up its boots and retire to the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > my question is, are fans expensive? and are they a big job to replace? > as I cant see any other way into it except by removing the dash :( Sounds like it might have something foreign in it. Leaves are a good suspect at this time of year. Try putting it on full blast for a while and see if anything shifts. TonyB > ok, now winter is drawing nearer, the fan in my trusty Berlingo has > decided its had enuff and wants to hang up its boots and retire to the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > my question is, are fans expensive? and are they a big job to replace? > as I cant see any other way into it except by removing the dash :( I have no experience of Berlingos but my Xantia fan used to do the same thing. Often a hefty thump to the underside of the dashboard in the vicinity of the glovebox restarted it. I traced it to a loose connector block and spent some time cleaning and tightening connectors. It would occasionally fail after that but some switch cleaner on the connectors usually sorted things out. I was tempted to solder direct to the terminals but it never got that bad again before I sold it. SignatureMalc Night close in on a shanty town. Panama freighter wearing rusty brown. Well she sails tomorrow and she's homeward bound and you're bound to come home with me. > ok, now winter is drawing nearer, the fan in my trusty Berlingo has decided > its had enuff and wants to hang up its boots and retire to the countryside.. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Keith I found out that the end of the axle wich is running in the lowest bearing in your heater blower tends to oxydize if you take the motor off its housing [only three screws ] and unplug the multiconnector , You should be able to clean the axle end and lubricate it with a LITTLE multi purpose grease . I have been doing this for several years and a big varyiti of cars . Most of them Fiat Peugeot and Citroen , they are using the same blower Good luck and a lot of fun Wim Thanks :) Much appreciate the reply, but any chance you could sort of tell me how to do it in rough steps? Even just how to get to the fan itself, best regards Keith >> ok, now winter is drawing nearer, the fan in my trusty Berlingo has >> decided [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > they are using the same blower > Good luck and a lot of fun Wim
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