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2Rowdy - 12 Nov 2003 17:16 GMT

Message i.d.: news:3fb23688$0$79336$5fc3050@dreader2.news.tiscali.nl,
by author D.J. aka <djh@worldonline.nl> inspired me,

>> Thank you DJ for your view.
>> As you know, nobody owns this newsgroup and this newsgroup is for
>> anybody that wants to share Cit stuff.
>> That language thing is something you are right about. English is the
>> preferred language.
>> My suggestion to add a language tag into the subject line works well
>> as you can see in the geocaching group. If you do not speak the
>> language you skip that post.
>> One thing to remember is that this newsgroup is close to being dead
>> and whe should welcome any on-topic posting in any language. If
>> possible we could persuade people to use that language tag.
>>
>> I am glad you follow this group and I hope we will see many on-topic
>> postings here.
>>
>> --
>> Johan; Certifiable me. Reply to Hotm ail
>
> Ok? Johan
>
> Now my question.
> Nowadays I am driving a Xantia HDI 90hp break. An excelent car
> but....... the heating.
> I know that the HDI-engine has a very high, what is the right word,
> rendement? But because of that the heater is working poor.
> What can I do to get a good temperature inside the car. In earlier
> times people used a shield in front of radiator to warm up faster.
> I think that that solution makes problems when the engine is on
> temperature. But what can I do else? Buy and wear warm clothes in
> winter ;-) ?

I can only go back in time when I had my BX diesel. That one had the same
problem and shielding the radiator was the solution in those days.
Not only good for the room temperature but also for the engine. It needs a
high temperature to get the oil in optimal condition.
Times have changed but I guess that shielding still is the most easiest
solution.

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Hartmut Krafft - 13 Nov 2003 19:14 GMT

> Message i.d.: news:3fb23688$0$79336$5fc3050@dreader2.news.tiscali.nl,
> by author D.J. aka <djh@worldonline.nl> inspired me,
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> > temperature. But what can I do else? Buy and wear warm clothes in
> > winter ;-) ?

Don't know about the Xantia, but in the Berlingo HDi 90hp, I do
the following:
1. Set the airflow to internal circulation (don't take air from
outside).
2. Set the ventilator to more than 2/3 (makes a lot of noise)
3. Set the heating to full (of course)
4. Set the air direction to defrost (windscreen symbol)

The sense behind this is that the Berlingo has an electric heater
that gets activated if you set the heating to full, ventilation
to more than 2/3 and (maybe that's not necessary) the defrost
position. (That seems to be Cit's kind of voodoo magic ;-)).
The electric heater will heat the cooling liquid. The circulating
air is not so cold as the air outside. With these settings, I get
nice warm airflow after about three kilometers in the city.

After the motor has warmed up (which takes a lot longer...),
there's no need for the electric heater, and you might as well
regulate the settings as you like.
Don't forget to change the setting back to external air after a
while so that you'll egt enough oxygen ;-)

Well, even if the Xantia doesn't have the electric heater,
selecting internal circulation for a while should help you
getting warm more quickly...

Hartmut

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D.J. - 13 Nov 2003 22:55 GMT

> The sense behind this is that the Berlingo has an electric heater
> that gets activated if you set the heating to full, ventilation
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>
> Hartmut

Indeed the Xantia doesn't have an electric heater. So when I do it in the
way you suggested I think the oil will stay at a low temperature for a long
time.
Is it possible to build in an electric heater aftherwile?
Now the temperature outside is about 5 celsius and I have to drive more than
10 kilometers before the oiltemperature raises till 80.
Maybe I have to buy a waterheater like they use in Sweden?

D.J.

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Hartmut Krafft - 14 Nov 2003 09:03 GMT

> Indeed the Xantia doesn't have an electric heater. So when I do it in the
> way you suggested I think the oil will stay at a low temperature for a long
> time.

.. I don't know, that will only be true, if the heating circuit
is actually closed off when you turn off the heating. Many modern
cars just don't let the warmed air reach you, thus saving the
costs for a 'real' heating valve. If this is the case with the
Xantia, the motor temperature won't be affected by the way you
use the heating. But someone with more insight into the heating
circuits should step in here...

With my former car, I had to leave the valve (a real one) closed
until the motor started to warm up. But that's a different story.

> Is it possible to build in an electric heater aftherwile?

These are heating resistors in the cooling liquid hoses. I don't
think it's easily possible to add them...

> Now the temperature outside is about 5 celsius and I have to drive more than
> 10 kilometers before the oiltemperature raises till 80.

..do you have an oil thermometer? I don't, but with the
Berlingo, it takes up to 15 km (at about zero °C) till the
thermostat opens to the actual cooler circuit (visible by a
noticeable drop, then slow rise in the water temperature
display).

> Maybe I have to buy a waterheater like they use in Sweden?

If you're usually parking near a power plug at night, that could
be quite a good investment.
Look at http://www.defa.com/heating.php3, for example...

Hartmut

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