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Car Forum / Citroen Cars / October 2004

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ABS on Xantia

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Matthew Maddock - 17 Oct 2004 17:10 GMT
I have had my Xantia for about 6 months now, and have not had
occasion to try out the ABS, but it was chucking it down today
and I decided to test it on an empty piece of road.  Imaging my
surprise as I skidded down the road with the wheels locked up!

I was sure that ABS was a standard option on later models (mine
is a 97/P 1.9TD Dimension)  Does anyone know if that model
should have ABS, or is there anyway I can tell (I know my
"brake" test was a good indication! but just wondering if it is
broken)

Thanks,

Matt.
Adrian - 17 Oct 2004 19:53 GMT
> I have had my Xantia for about 6 months now, and have not had
> occasion to try out the ABS, but it was chucking it down today
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> "brake" test was a good indication! but just wondering if it is
> broken)

Do you have an ABS warning light?

It should come on for a couple of seconds when you start before going out.

If you have a problem that disables the ABS, it will remain on - and that's
an MOT fail.

I suspect that you won't have it, however - I know my father's 96/N 1.8
Dimension doesn't.
William Morrow - 17 Oct 2004 20:31 GMT
> > I have had my Xantia for about 6 months now, and have not had
> > occasion to try out the ABS, but it was chucking it down today
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> I suspect that you won't have it, however - I know my father's 96/N 1.8
> Dimension doesn't.

Im pretty sure its late 98 and onwards models of sx and aboce that had it
and from then on in 2000 i think all of them had it. not certain on that
though.
Will
Matthew Maddock - 17 Oct 2004 22:18 GMT
> Im pretty sure its late 98 and onwards models of sx and aboce that had it
> and from then on in 2000 i think all of them had it. not certain on that
> though.
> Will

I think you're right - I was looking at several SX's before I got this one
(basicially because it had aircon) I guess I saw the SX's has ABS and
assumed it was standard.

Cheers,

Matt.
Adrian - 17 Oct 2004 22:26 GMT
> I think you're right - I was looking at several SX's before I got this
> one (basicially because it had aircon) I guess I saw the SX's has ABS
> and assumed it was standard.

A Dimension is an LX with a few toys.
Matthew Maddock - 17 Oct 2004 22:16 GMT
> Do you have an ABS warning light?

Nope

> It should come on for a couple of seconds when you start before going out.
>
> If you have a problem that disables the ABS, it will remain on - and
> that's
> an MOT fail.

Unless you remove the bulb ;-)  not that anyone would ever do anything
like that!

> I suspect that you won't have it, however - I know my father's 96/N 1.8
> Dimension doesn't.

Looks like it doesn't have it then - I'll have to be more careful in the
wet from now on!

Thanks

Matt.
Adrian - 17 Oct 2004 22:26 GMT
>> If you have a problem that disables the ABS, it will remain on - and
>> that's an MOT fail.

> Unless you remove the bulb ;-)  not that anyone would ever do anything
> like that!

Erm, no. The correct operation of the light is part of the test for any car
with ABS fitted - and the testers know what they're looking for...

They're a step ahead of most of the obvious bodgetricks...

> Looks like it doesn't have it then - I'll have to be more careful in
> the wet from now on!

Why?
Matthew Maddock - 17 Oct 2004 23:36 GMT
>>> If you have a problem that disables the ABS, it will remain on - and
>>> that's an MOT fail.
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>
> They're a step ahead of most of the obvious bodgetricks...

But that would require them to know the exact model and options
which were fitted to that car.  I haven't found many MOT places
who are that efficient - I have put a *lot* of cars through MOT's
(10 in the last year!) and I always hang around whilst they are doing
it - I have never seen any of them be that thorough!

Matt.
Adrian - 18 Oct 2004 09:03 GMT
>> Erm, no. The correct operation of the light is part of the test for any
>> car with ABS fitted - and the testers know what they're looking for...
>>
>> They're a step ahead of most of the obvious bodgetricks...

> But that would require them to know the exact model and options
> which were fitted to that car.

They can *see* the ABS control block and wheel sensors, so know it's
fitted, and they have a big chart describing the "correct" operation of the
ABS warning light for all the "usual suspect" models of car...

Or should do.

> I haven't found many MOT places who are that efficient - I have put a
> *lot* of cars through MOT's (10 in the last year!) and I always hang
> around whilst they are doing it - I have never seen any of them be that
> thorough!

Ask 'em next time you're there. Of course, it may be in part because they
know you so trust you a bit more than "Joe Punter" who may actually be an
undercover from the standards agency... (They even use 80-y-o little old
ladies...)
Matthew Maddock - 17 Oct 2004 23:41 GMT
>> Looks like it doesn't have it then - I'll have to be more careful in
>> the wet from now on!
>
> Why?

Standard personal risk assessment rules apply.  If you think you have
something that will help you if you get into trouble, you are more likely
to act in a less safe way.  It is well known that people who drive
"safer" cars take more risks because they feel they are safer.  I recall
a review in a 'bike mag which had a number of the writers riding in
their underwear see if they rode more safely!

Matt.
Rob Beech - 18 Oct 2004 00:46 GMT
> I have had my Xantia for about 6 months now, and have not had
> occasion to try out the ABS, but it was chucking it down today
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>
> I have a 96N 1.9td LX  which has ABS. (and it works......thankfully)
Dont know of any other LX's this year with it.
Perhaps it was a one off extra for the original owner.

Rob
 
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