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from beaverpup contained the following:

Lovely grain, Norwegian pine...

So sorry to hear your sad news, beaverpup.
Lisa

3rd heart attack

I've already had one to ID.
(Being a Makem, what else did you expect?)
<Break a leg BP>

Snipped

Unfortunately I not allowed to burn any boats (legally) due to red tape from
Health & Safety, Maritime Regs, Police, Coastguard etc............
Mind you if anyone got a reasonable size swimming pool and small boat
probably could come to some arrangement.
But as going to Crem anyway could set fire to paper boat.
BP

"SP" <Lesley@scorbydax.co.uk> wrote in message news:18EAe.67927

For someone to even contemplate trolling someone who is grieving, suggests a
personality disorder.

Andrea

HOWEDY sp,

Had Iceberg's mommy not jerked and choked IT
he WOULDN'T have "SLIPPED HIS LEAD" and RUN
HOWET on HIS ABUSER and GOT DEAD <{); ~ ) >

Tsk, tsk. Let's talk abHOWET trainin dogs?

HOWE COME Guide Dogs for BLIND folks know
HOWE to cross a street withHOWET gettin
RUN DHOWEN?

HOWE COME dogs "SLIP" their leads when
they're being forced and intimidated
and RUN HOWET on their people and GET
DEAD, here abHOWETS?

Tsk tsk. THAT could get your dick knocked in
the dirt, here abHOWETS <{); ~ ) >

          "Knock His Dick In The Dirt For Pissin"

HOWEDY People,

THAT'S the TRAININ ADVICE diddler gave to
tara o. aka tee, HOWER Boxer Rescue of NC
representative, the SAME tara o. aka tee
who MURDERED her own DEAD Boxer Rescue
Dog Summer for FEAR AGGRESSION of small
children DESPITE that she was RAISED with
a small child and IN SPITE of havin an offer
of a PERMENANT SAFE FREE HOWES where she'd
NEVER be hurt intimidated or MURDERED.

HOWEDY diddler,

So called marking is a SYMPTOM of ANXXXIHOWESNESS.

THAT'S INSANE. There AIN'T NO SUCH THING as
"DOMINANCE" in dogs. What you DOG LOVERS call
DOMINANCE is FEAR. ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR and
if there IS such a thing as "DOMINANCE PISSIN"
as professora melanie got with her dog Skeeter,
IT'S A FEAR BEHAVIOR, not dominance, which MEANS
HURTING the dog will ONLY make it MOORE FEARFUL.

PERHAPS diddler FORGOT this dog is already being
abused by a alpha dominance NILIF EXXXPERT.

You mean, DOMINANT? PERHAPS your DOMINANCE PISSIN
problems are the RESULT of ALLELOMIMETIC behavior?

Your dogs are COPYING your fear and abuse.

IOW, he was FEAR AGGRESSIVE from the git go.
Fancy is the FEAR AGGRESSIVE alpha in tara o.
aka tee's HOWES. She LEARNED it from tara o.
aka tee.

On accHOWENT of HE is MOORE AFRAID of her
than she is of him, so HE DEFENDS HIMSELF
WITH HIS LIFE, dog lovers.

THAT'S YOUR DOMINANCE.

DUH? Fancy KNOWS he's SO AFRAID he'll KILL HER
if she scares him anyMOORE and THAT'S HOWE COME
Fancy is DEPRESSED, she's NOT the MOST FEARFUL
dog in tara o. aka tee's HOWES <{); ~ ) >

Duh?

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

BWEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

Yeah, good point. Let's talk abHOWET givin
PERMENANT SAFE HOWESES to dogs. Let's talk
abHOWET not hurtin and murderin and DUMPING
dogs you can't train on accHOWENT of you
CAN'T STOP HURTIN THEM.

THAT'S INSANE.

THAT'S diddler. She's INSANE.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

THAT MEANS SHE'D SEPARATE THEM.

SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE?

IOW, diddler GOT THE SAME PROBLEM for THE SAME REASON.

BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAA!!!

S-HOWENDS LIKE ALPHA THINKIN, don't it.

You'll NOTICE ALL HOWER ALPHA trainers are lying
dog abusing punk thug coward mental cases like
tara o. aka tee, shelly, diddler, malinda, well,
the list goes on an on...

SHE DEFENDED HERSELF.

THAT'S ABSURD.

THAT'S INSANE. Dogs BOND TOGETHER in DEFENSE from
their ABUSERS, dog lovers. THAT'S your "LEADERSHIP",
diddler.

AS IS diddler's dog even after WON YEAR.

THAT'S INSANE.

Takes the GUESSWORK HOWETA WONDERIN, diddler.

The dog is PISSIN on accHOWENT of HE'S AFRAID.

Giving the dog sumpthin to REALLY FEAR MIGHT DO IT.

But it WON'T UNLESS tara o. aka tee can HURT HIM
EVERY TIME HE DOES IT, and SHE CAN'T, on accHOWENT
of she AIN'T GOT THE INTELLECT to HOWEtwit the
cunning of the domestic puppy dog <{); ~ ) >

NHOWE THAT'S SCARY.

Hmmm. This IS "ALL abHOWET ME", ain't it, dog lovers.

Medically testing the dog for anXXXIHOWESNESS
BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS IS INSANE, and MALPRACTICE.

The dog is VERY HEELTHY, just VERY SCARED.

Yeah, and you'll probably GET BIT and MURDER IT.

RIGHT. JUST LIKE HOWE SHE DONE.

AND THAT'S HOWE COME THE PROBLEM GOT WORSE.

Which has TAUGHT Joe Joe to DO that behavior
EVERY TIME when tara o. aka tee AIN'T LOOKIN.

On accHOWENT of he's NEEDY, he's AFRAID.
He's AFRAID Fancy and tara o. aka tee
are fixing to GANG UP ON HIM and HURT
HIM someMOORE, as they BEEN PLANNIN on doin.

IOW, she LET'S THEM FIGHT IT HOWET.

BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

Fancy ATTACKED him last week.

INDEEDY. tara o. aka tee DONE THAT... EXXXCEPT
for the DOGGY Part, which she leaves to Fancy
to FIGGER HOWET on accHOWENT of tara o. aka
tee DON'T LIKE to GET INVOLVED between dog
heirarchies. BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAA!!!

What a load of crap, dog lovers.

JUST LIKE HOWE SHE'S DONE SINCE DAY WON.

JUST LIKE HOWE SHE DONE to TRAIN him to
DO THAT AS SOON AS tara o. aka tee AIN'T
IN CON-TROLL <{); ~ ) >

BWEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAA!!!

BUT EVERY THING SHE DOES MAKES HIM WORSE.

OR, tara o. aka tee will GET RID OF IT.

You mean, quit playin NILIF ALPHA grabbass
and chokin bribing crating sprayin aversives
and intimidating her dogs?

You mean, he's WINNING the HEAD GAMES?

Naaah. That'd MEAN tara o. aka tee AIN'T
GOT the INTELLECT to HOWEtwit the cunnin
of the domestic puppy dog.

THAT'S HOWE COME she just got a SHOCK COLLAR.

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

"Tending To Agree With The Positive Reinforcement Method"?

HOWEDY People,

Hello Tara,

"Tara O." <tara29...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:n%Zy6.30496$BC6.8869056@e3500-chi1.usenetserver.co
m...

Oh, that's nice. I tend to think people who tend to
agree with positive reinforcement methods tend to be
pulling our chains... That's what I tend to think,
based on my experience working with people who tend to
agree with positive reinforcement who TEND TO
hurt their dogs when their tendencies to use positive
methods are outweighed by their tendencies to run out
of information or intellect and TEND to get frustrated
and TEND NOT to do the things they TEND TO believe are
right, when they TEND to be frustrated, or TEND to be
at a loss for INTELLECT, and TEND TO resort to violence
because they TEND to be shy on BRAINS...

I TEND TO view those folks as hypocrites, that's what
I TEND to do because I just happen to TEND to be HONEST,

If your NORMAL obedience training TENDED to properly
train dogs, there would be a TENDENCY to have well
trained dogs. But that's not the case, becasuse NORMAL
obedience training TENDS to provoke, intimidate, and
confound your dog and inhibit his ability to think
and learn to want to work and think and learn... SEE?

That's what I TEND to think about NORMAL obedience
training which TENDS to FAIL because it TENDS to
resort to VIOLENCE instead of TENDING TOWARDS
THE MOST EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC METHODS AVAILABLE.

It bothers me less to think of shocking the dog than
thinking about what punishment and confrontation can
do to a dog's temperament. That's what I tend to think
based on my thirty eight years professional experience
training dogs.

Is that based on your thirty eight years of experience
specializing in temperament and behavior problems and
protection training in giant breed dogs? Or is that
based on your TENDANCY to believe incompetent dog
abusing Thugs who tell you they TEND to get excellent
results from HURTING dogs to train them because they
TEND NOT TO be intelligent enough to outwit the
cunning of the domestic puppy dog???

OR IS IT BASED ON YOUR TENDENCY TO MURDER
YOUR OWN DEAD DOG Summer?

And I just hope you figure out why your pals here who
hurt dogs to train them TEND to claim they have me in
their killfiles, because they TEND NOT TO be able to
answer my questions in good conscience...That's what
they TEND to do around here because our lying dog
abusing Thugs TEND to be INCOMPETENT, IMMORAL,
UNETHICAL, UNPRINCIPLED, DOG ABUSING COWARDS.

Like yourself.

That's what I tend to think.

Your pal, Jerry "The PHONY," Howe. j;~}
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{) ; ~ ) >

<ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 17:12:11
GMT Local: Thurs, Oct 7 2004 10:12 am

Subject: "I'm Shocked That I Shocked" tara o. aka tee,
NC Boxer Rescue Abuse

HOWEDY People

Here's WON of HOWER MENTAL CASES
hurtin dogs and lying abHOWET it again.

        "I'm shocked that I shocked"

HOWEDY tara o.,

You didn't HURT INTIMIDATE and MURFDER
your own DEAD DOG Summer:

Date: 2003-04-28 18:09:04 PST

==============

From: Tara O. (tara29...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Dane hyper when passing other dogs
Date: 2001-04-21 12:07:54 PST

I think its pertinent to mention that I've never had
any dogs who exhibited signs of aggression or were in
any way, shape, or form resistent to whatever
"training" I did with them.

I would not feel comfortable relying on my past
experience or a book to train a dog to stop biting,
snapping or growling.
--
Tara O.

===================

From: Tara O. (tara29...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Canine Behaviors For Dummies
Date: 2001-06-11 19:42:23 PST

Joshua, you have just reopened a can of worms
that can quickly cause infestation here lol
--
Tara O.

===============

From: Tara O. (tara29...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: jerry howe
Date: 2001-04-04 11:58:06 PST

"I've never not listened to what people say here.
I use a crate, am about to begin with a choke collar,
I'm not the bad guy here." tara o.

======================

From: Tara O. (tara29...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Electronic Training Collars
Date: 2001-05-11 17:29:33 PST

""Twzl, Sligo and Roy Happy Together"" wrote

That makes sense in a weird sort of way. I don't
honestly think that its humanly possible to train
anyone or anything without correction. Its human
nature to say 'no' or to stop a behavior by doing
something. I used a tin can with coins to correct
Summer's bad puppy behaviors and the cold shoulder
to correct her other less desirable behaviors. I
have said 'no' so many times that I probably sound
like a broken record. Amie can attest to that
lol.

It seems to me that some people are automatically
equating the term correction with punishment. I
guess they can go hand in hand since my tin can
wasn't something Summer liked. My ignoring her
when she's misbehaving is also something she
doesn't like. Therefore it can be viewed as
punishment? And that term is 100% negative.

Maybe if more people saw it as correction and not
the total negative, they'd be less inclined to
want to be PP.

Don't know if the way I wrote that made sense, it
makes sense in my head but then again the men with
the white coats could come a'knockin at any
moment.

Tara O.

===================

From: Tara O. (nos...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Any hope? rage?
Date: 2003-03-26 05:46:02 PST

Yes I see and understand your point. There's no such
thing as 100% vigilence 100% of the time IMO. You
could call an e-fence company to find out if its
possible to wire only your front door so that if she
gets within a certain range of that front door the
collar will start working. I'd think there would be a
way to work that and it may be inexpensive to do
so.

There are also items called Scat Mats that you place
in front of doors or any area you don't want your dog
to proceed through. When stepping on the mat, it gives
off a vibration, something which most dogs hate.
They'll stay far away from the mats. I believe you can
buy them from
--
Tara

==================

Tara O. (nos...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Need advice--barking dog
Date: 2003-08-06 17:38:14 PST

you could consider installing an invisible fence just
inside the fence line so he cannot get too close. You
could talk to your neighbor about splitting the cost
of whichever alternative you both find most
acceptable.
--
Tara

=================

From: Tara O. (nos...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Containment Collars
Date: 2003-03-11 07:12:57

I know people who have electric fences and it works
very well for them. I know people who have them and
whose dogs escape and refuse to come back in. From
the details I know of all involved, I wouldn't use an
e-fence on:

1. An adult dog that wasn't raised with the fence from
a puppy
2. A dog with a high prey drive
3. A very stubborn dog

If I put my female out in an e-fence, the very first
kid, cat, dog or squirrel she sees would have her
bolting through the barrier shock or not. When she
finally loses interest in whatever has caused her to
leave and her adrenalin has diminished, she will think
rationally and realize she's not willing to come back
into the yard because she knows the shock would get
her.

you have a dog who just has to go after or
up to any and everything that walks down the street
then I'd definitely not recommend one of these
systems. The people I know who it works for installed
them when their dogs were pups so they were brought up
trained to it. Two of the ones I know it didn't work
for have adult adopted dogs who weren't raised
with this kind of invisible barrier.

===================

From: Tara O. (tara29...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: escape artist, thunder, aggression
questions Date: 2001-05-12 07:56:04 PST

Since he got a taste of freedom and knows he can
get out I doubt you'll be able to stop him short
of tethering him or using a more sophisticated
device like an e-fence but I wouldn't recommend
going the electronic fence route without first
doing your homework on the pros and cons of them
and understand that they are not fool-proof.

=========================

MacKenzie's First Pinch Collar Class
Date: 2003-07-08 13:54:19 PST

I consider myself to be a pretty good basic obed.
trainer of Boxers with some learned but not necessarily
practiced, advanced training knowledge.

I think this because not only have I worked
with all the dogs I've had at my house but I'm also
the one in charge of all the dogs in our rescue, their
behavioral issues (identifying and working with),
basic training (done in the foster home) and a host of
other things. I'm the one who gives the advice and
walks the foster volunteers through alot of things.

Now I don't believe, for a second, that I would be
successful at teaching basic obedience to other dogs
in a class environment. Maybe I would but probably
not. Other trainers with class experience may think I
have no clue what I'm doing because my experience
has been primarily hands-on and with only one breed.

=========================

LOL!
Good on you girl!

It was round about Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:09:33 GMT,, when the famed
beaverpup of the dreaded ntlworld News Service was struck by a sudden
insight:

Folk who live in glass houses stow no thrones.

Keep your chin up BeaverPup, attagirl. No point letting Jerry, aka the
puppy whizzer, aka the pet alko mist, get to you.

HOWEDY beaverpup,

You snipped the part abHOWET your dog "SLIPPIN HIS
LEAD" while you was CHOKIN IT and RUNNIN HOWET on
you and GETTIN DEAD.

REMEMBER?

AIN'T THEM'S YOUR OWN WORDS?

Good... REST. Take a break. Do a vacation. Oooops!
Perhaps stay at your HOWES for a few days an RELAXXX.

Well, perhaps a local motel will suffice?

From: ThePetAlchem...@FastMail.FM
Date: 11 Jul 2005 12:03:18 -0700
Subject: Re: OT: Icedog (Polarpuppy) -
slipped his lead

HOWEDY beaverpup,

Well that's too bad...

Inconsiderate little snot, eh beaverpup?

NO PROBLEM.

PERHAPS you shoulda spent A FEW MINUTES of some
of them years TRAININ your dog so IT wouldn't
run HOWET on you and GET DEAD, eh beaverpup?

F that bullshit, beaverpup. That crap AIN'T EVEN FUNNY.

At least it AIN'T SO FUNNY as your own words, beaverpup:

Here's a WORD of WIZEDOM from yourself:

From: "beaverpup" <beaver...@tesco.net>
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:13:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Seriously Ill Bassett Pup

Poor little pup. Well, your family will know better
next time. Never, never, buy a puppy at distance on
spec.

If you can't go the extra mile to ensure the well-
being of a future member of your family for many
years then you shouldn't contemplate owning a dog.
Buy a housebrick.

Icedog (beaverpup's husband.)

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAH­HAHHAHAAA!!!

NHOWE, back to the FUN but not so FUNNY STUFF:

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >