Hiya all, this time it's the heater farting arsing about. The temperature
display on the top screen, where the MPG figures are, shows a temp of 35-45,
it varies, so the climate control thinks its really hot outside, so even
when i set 27 on the heat controls it blows cold air, that is untill i set
28 on the dials, then it goes into Roasting Mode. So, has anyone any ideas
on this one please. Also, when it rains & i switch the wipers on, either
auto or standard wipe, The drivers window comes down about 4". When i close
the window, it goes up stops then returns to the 4" open place. Any ideas ?
Or is it time to buy a Xsara estate ? Cheers. Ray
Frank Kemper - 12 Nov 2005 20:42 GMT
"olddog" <olddog@newtrox.com> haute in die Tasten:
> So, has anyone any ideas
> on this one please.
I have made similar experiences with my `94 Xantia VSX. The car has
an automatic temperature control, which means that you choose the
desired interior temperature with a switch (between 17°C and 27°C),
the french electrobox does the rest, adjusting heating temperature
and fan speed. If it is warmer outsides than you want to have it
insides, you can switch on the Air condition with an additional
switch. So far so good.
I have found out that this system works better when it is sunny and
hot outsides than on cold, wet, dark days. During winter I found that
the heating system produced warm air after just half a mile of
driving, but very often it stops heating when there are 18°C inside
te car - very unpleasant.
I was able to track down one fault: There is a temperature sensor
built inside the dashboard, just near the clock. This sensor is about
the size of a cigarette lighter, and it has a small electric motor
and a fan. This fan is bound to produce a constant airflow around the
temperature sensor itself (the sensor seems to be a temperature
regulated resistor). The whole sensor unit has four wires, two grey
wires, one black, one red. I assume that two wires power the small
fan, while the other two wires connect the sensor to the heating
system. I have found out, that this fan does not work most of the
time. If I drive the car 30 days, the fan may run on one or two days.
I have also found out that the whole unit gets warm when the fan does
not run. Maybe something is blocking the fan (although I have not
found any sign for that).
If the fan does not transport fresh air to the sensor and if the
sensor unit gets warm, the sensor will probably read a false, too
high temperature - and it will switch off the heating:-(
I have found out some kind of strange workaround. I have pulled the
sensor out of the dashboard and fixed it to one of the vent air
nozzles (the right one of the two central nozzles just above the
radio). Now I can force the ventilation of the sensor by simply open
or close the nozzle. This does affect directly the ability of the
system to regulate itself by itself, so it requires some manual
regulations. Up to now this workaround works quite well, I was able
to maintain a sufficient temperature in the car. I don't know how
this will work in the winter time.
Why didn't I just change the sensor? First of all, I am lazy and
greedy. These sensors are for sure handmade by a bunch of
aerospatiale engineers in their spare time between two Ariane rocket
launches, so they will cost a fortune. Besides that I cannot reach
the wiring plugs without taking apart the whole dashboard - I'd like
to avoid that. Second reason: I am not entirely sure, wether the
faulty sensor is the only reason for the errative heating. If I were,
I'd be more enthusiastic about getting the sensor done.
I have heard about problems with this sensor and the fan in Xantia
and XM. Maybe this can be helpful for the C5 also.
Frank

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Whiskers - 12 Nov 2005 21:23 GMT
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> I was able to track down one fault: There is a temperature sensor
> built inside the dashboard, just near the clock. This sensor is about
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> sensor unit gets warm, the sensor will probably read a false, too
> high temperature - and it will switch off the heating:-(
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Makes me glad that my ZX has a lever to adjust the heat from the heater,
and handles to open the windows. Why do "they" have to complicate things?

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Frank Kemper - 12 Nov 2005 23:21 GMT
Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> haute in die Tasten:
> Makes me glad that my ZX has a lever to adjust the heat from the
> heater, and handles to open the windows. Why do "they" have to
> complicate things?
Answer No. 1: A flawlessly working temperature and climate control is
a dream. It is one of the most pleasant convenience features which
come to my mind when I think about modern cars.
Answer No. 2: "They" have to complicate things, because in between
shooting dozens ariane rocket into space, the engineers get bored and
look for a real challenge;-)
Frank

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Whiskers - 13 Nov 2005 13:49 GMT
> Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> haute in die Tasten:
>
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> a dream. It is one of the most pleasant convenience features which
> come to my mind when I think about modern cars.
So boring though; and how do you know the weather is changing outside if
you are insulated in your air-conditioned box?
> Answer No. 2: "They" have to complicate things, because in between
> shooting dozens ariane rocket into space, the engineers get bored and
> look for a real challenge;-)
>
> Frank
Hmm. I'd rather they tried to improve wind-screen wipers and work out how
to stop glare from a low sun reflecting off the not-quite-black-enough
trim inside the windscreen. Self-repairing bodywork would be useful too
:))

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Frank Kemper - 13 Nov 2005 22:44 GMT
Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> haute in die Tasten:
> So boring though; and how do you know the weather is changing
> outside if you are insulated in your air-conditioned box?
Answer No. 1: I don't care;-)
Answer No. 2: A terrific digital display informs me about the
temperature outsides;-)
Answer No. 3: My other car is a convertible, in case I want to feel
the weather;-)
Frank

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olddog - 14 Nov 2005 00:13 GMT
Thanks guys, your problems are all very interesting , but i'd rather hear
from someone whou might know the answers. Where are you Adrian ? Cheers. Ray
> Hiya all, this time it's the heater farting arsing about. The temperature
> display on the top screen, where the MPG figures are, shows a temp of
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> i close the window, it goes up stops then returns to the 4" open place.
> Any ideas ? Or is it time to buy a Xsara estate ? Cheers. Ray
Markku Suominen - 16 Nov 2005 19:59 GMT
Hi!
I guess that outside temp. sensor is faulty or has some contact problems.
It is located under co-driver's mirror.
Been there, done that...
cheers,
make
olddog - 20 Nov 2005 23:28 GMT
Thank you, thats just the info i needed. Cheers. Ray
> Hi!
>
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> cheers,
> make