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Why did I buy a Citroen?

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Brian - 07 Dec 2005 20:38 GMT
Can't sell it now for anything. Why do the british public prefer Fords?
Doesn't make sense to me. I have an excellent Xsara HDI estate, 2001, with a
mere 59k miles on the clock, and no one wants it.
Brian.
Malc - 07 Dec 2005 21:19 GMT
> Can't sell it now for anything. Why do the british public prefer Fords?
> Doesn't make sense to me. I have an excellent Xsara HDI estate, 2001, with
> a
> mere 59k miles on the clock, and no one wants it.

Why are you getting rid of it if it's excellent? Run it into the ground in
about 15 years time and save yourself loads of money.

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Adrian - 07 Dec 2005 21:25 GMT
> Can't sell it now for anything. Why do the british public prefer
> Fords? Doesn't make sense to me. I have an excellent Xsara HDI estate,
> 2001, with a mere 59k miles on the clock, and no one wants it.

The Xsara's not exactly the most fashionable car on the road - so it's
ENTIRELY possible that "can't sell it" is because it was priced too high.

What plate, what spec, and how much were you trying to shift it for?
Brian - 08 Dec 2005 08:32 GMT
> > Can't sell it now for anything. Why do the british public prefer
> > Fords? Doesn't make sense to me. I have an excellent Xsara HDI estate,
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>
> What plate, what spec, and how much were you trying to shift it for?
Selling because I needed a larger vehicle.
2001 (Y) LX 90. Priced at under the listed value in Parkers (£3600) for
private sale, which is already low for the year of vehicle. Citroen do lose
one hell of a lot in depreciation. So I bought it a year ago at a reasonable
price, according to Parkers, and it has lost a further 20% in this year.
Currently asking £3295.
Brian - 08 Dec 2005 13:56 GMT
> > > Can't sell it now for anything. Why do the british public prefer
> > > Fords? Doesn't make sense to me. I have an excellent Xsara HDI estate,
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> price, according to Parkers, and it has lost a further 20% in this year.
> Currently asking £3295.

Just looked in the current What Car price guide, and the private sale good
price in that is over £4100.
Whiskers - 08 Dec 2005 17:07 GMT
>> > Can't sell it now for anything. Why do the british public prefer
>> > Fords? Doesn't make sense to me. I have an excellent Xsara HDI estate,
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> price, according to Parkers, and it has lost a further 20% in this year.
> Currently asking £3295.

This isn't the best time of year to be selling.  Spring is traditionally
when the market livens up.

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Adrian - 08 Dec 2005 17:39 GMT
>> What plate, what spec, and how much were you trying to shift it for?

> Selling because I needed a larger vehicle.
> 2001 (Y) LX 90. Priced at under the listed value in Parkers (£3600)
> for private sale, which is already low for the year of vehicle.
> Currently asking £3295.

A quick look at Autotrader suggests that's about right - there's at least
one similar but 02-plate for under £3k, but that's got 120k miles.

Trouble is, that money will also get you a similar age diesel Focus estate
- which is a FAR better car. The fact it's 59k is almost irrelevant -
luckily, most people have given up the daft fixation on mileage, especially
on diesels - 100k is nothing on a modern car, and 100k of motorway is FAR
better than 60k of town.

> Citroen do lose one hell of a lot in depreciation. So I bought it a
> year ago at a reasonable price, according to Parkers, and it has lost
> a further 20% in this year.

All used cars are cheap as chips. Parkers is a good guesstimate. No more.
If you bought it from the trade, than 20% is about right for the dealer's
margin, certainly not massive depreciation in a year.

Add in that Xsaras are uncool - Nobody *wants* 'em. They're not the best
lookers, and they have a reputation as being a bit bland to drive. Most
people who want an HDi would prefer a 110bhp.

Don't forget that Y-reg has "turned the corner" as far as "visual age" is
concerned - it's nearly five years old, and prefix-plates are definitely in
the minority now compared to the newer-style ones.

Drop it to just under £3k, and I'll bet it'll sell.
Brian - 10 Dec 2005 10:27 GMT
> A quick look at Autotrader suggests that's about right - there's at least
> one similar but 02-plate for under £3k, but that's got 120k miles.
>
> Trouble is, that money will also get you a similar age diesel Focus estate
> - which is a FAR better car.

Owned a Ford once, never again. In your opinion better, but unquantified.

>The fact it's 59k is almost irrelevant -
> luckily, most people have given up the daft fixation on mileage, especially
> on diesels - 100k is nothing on a modern car, and 100k of motorway is FAR
> better than 60k of town.

But then EVERYONE always claims that the 150k is ALL motorway driving. Do
you ALWAYS believe it? And why then, is it the first question asked, what's
the mileage?

> > Citroen do lose one hell of a lot in depreciation. So I bought it a
> > year ago at a reasonable price, according to Parkers, and it has lost
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> If you bought it from the trade, than 20% is about right for the dealer's
> margin, certainly not massive depreciation in a year.

I bought it below dealers' price, and if I drop to the value you suggest the
drop would be nearer 40% in the fourth year.

> Add in that Xsaras are uncool - Nobody *wants* 'em. They're not the best
> lookers, and they have a reputation as being a bit bland to drive. Most
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> concerned - it's nearly five years old, and prefix-plates are definitely in
> the minority now compared to the newer-style ones.

This is possibly the problem in the UK. The snob value of the year plates,
the older one doesn't impress the neighbours so much does it? In France, you
would be paying well over double the amount for the same car (though LHD of
course), because they see a car for what it is rather than who it will
impress.

> Drop it to just under £3k, and I'll bet it'll sell.

I could GIVE it away I'm sure - well possibly. But then, that Y plate - all
the neigbours have later cars. The name's not Bucket is it? (Pronounced
Bouquet of course).
Adrian - 10 Dec 2005 11:06 GMT
>> Trouble is, that money will also get you a similar age diesel Focus
>> estate - which is a FAR better car.

> Owned a Ford once, never again. In your opinion better, but
> unquantified.

Ford have changed massively over the last decade, and now produce some
superb cars - the Focus started that resurrection off, and remains an
excellent car. Citroen went through a very dull patch in the mid-late 90s,
producing some appalling insults to the badge. The Xsara is perhaps the
finest example of that. It was mediocre when it was released, and did not
age well. It's a ZX with added lard.

Bear in mind, when I say that, that I have only once in my life paid money
to own a car that did not bear chevrons. It was a Hillman Imp, and it was
utterly sh.t. I have _had_ plenty of non-Cit cars in my time, but I have
never been asked to part with money for them. They were either company cars
or given to me for free (that v6 75 was nice...).

> And why then, is it the first question asked, what's the mileage?

Because most people are stupid.

> But then, that Y plate - all the neigbours have later cars. The name's
> not Bucket is it? (Pronounced Bouquet of course).

The newest car I've ever owned is on an N plate.
Steve Leyland - 17 Dec 2005 07:56 GMT
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::: Trouble is, that money will also get you a similar age diesel Focus
::: estate - which is a FAR better car.
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: finest example of that. It was mediocre when it was released, and did not
: age well. It's a ZX with added lard.

I've never driven a xsara, but I do agree that fords have drastically
improved recently.
after owning a horrible diesel orion years ago I swore never again, but a
new mondeo I drove was admittedly quite sweet.
IMHO both the bx and xantia citroen models were vastly inferior to the
peugeot 405.

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Brian - 19 Dec 2005 17:49 GMT
> I've never driven a xsara, but I do agree that fords have drastically
> improved recently.
> after owning a horrible diesel orion years ago I swore never again, but a
> new mondeo I drove was admittedly quite sweet.
> IMHO both the bx and xantia citroen models were vastly inferior to the
> peugeot 405.

The only Ford I have had anything to do with recently was a Focus diesel,
which broke down. Only had it for the wekend, low mileage car too.

I did have a 405 TD estate, which was probably the best car I have owned
recently. Never let me down in six years.
Adrian - 20 Dec 2005 08:50 GMT
> The only Ford I have had anything to do with recently was a Focus
> diesel, which broke down. Only had it for the wekend, low mileage car
> too.
>
> I did have a 405 TD estate, which was probably the best car I have
> owned recently. Never let me down in six years.

You are aware that Ford buy their TDCi diesels off PSA - they're the same
engine as the HDi...?
Linea Recta - 09 Dec 2005 21:44 GMT
> Can't sell it now for anything. Why do the british public prefer Fords?
> Doesn't make sense to me. I have an excellent Xsara HDI estate, 2001, with a
> mere 59k miles on the clock, and no one wants it.

I don't buy a car to sell it; I usually buy a car for driving it.

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Adrian - 09 Dec 2005 22:40 GMT
> I don't buy a car to sell it; I usually buy a car for driving it.

That rules Xsaras out, then.
Brian - 10 Dec 2005 10:11 GMT
> > Can't sell it now for anything. Why do the british public prefer Fords?
> > Doesn't make sense to me. I have an excellent Xsara HDI estate, 2001, with
> a
> > mere 59k miles on the clock, and no one wants it.
>
> I don't buy a car to sell it; I usually buy a car for driving it.

So you must have a stack of old cars if you never sell them. And I have only
done 16000 miles since I bought it, so you have to assume that I have driven
it. If my circumstances had not changed, requiring a larger car, I would be
keeping it. Unfortunately, I am not in the fortunate situation of being able
to keep every car I buy.
Linea Recta - 10 Dec 2005 19:34 GMT
> > > Can't sell it now for anything. Why do the british public prefer Fords?
> > > Doesn't make sense to me. I have an excellent Xsara HDI estate, 2001,
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> keeping it. Unfortunately, I am not in the fortunate situation of being able
> to keep every car I buy.

Of course I do try to sell my car or to trade it in when it needs
replacement, but that's not my first criterion when buying a car.

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Brian - 11 Dec 2005 09:44 GMT
> > > > Can't sell it now for anything. Why do the british public prefer
> Fords?
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> Of course I do try to sell my car or to trade it in when it needs
> replacement, but that's not my first criterion when buying a car.

Neither is it mine.
 
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