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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / October 2004ATF+4 or ATF+3
I had my 02 Dakota in today for it's 30,000 mile Transmission Service. The Dealer used ATF+3 in it. The owners manual recommends ATF+4 in the 45RFE trans. that is in my truck. When I questioned the service writer I was told that dodge now recommends ATF+3. I have already E-Mailed dodge and will hear back from then by Wed. My main concern is that my 7yr/100mi. warranty is now shot. The 7/100 is the only reason a 02 Dodge is in the driveway and not a 02 Chey. Has anyone heard of this change of mind from Dodge??? >I had my 02 Dakota in today for it's 30,000 mile Transmission Service. The >Dealer used ATF+3 in it. The owners manual recommends ATF+4 in the 45RFE [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >is now shot. The 7/100 is the only reason a 02 Dodge is in the driveway and >not a 02 Chey. Has anyone heard of this change of mind from Dodge??? There is a TSB covering this. It says that ATF+4 must always be used in vehicles that were originally filled with ATF+4. See http://dodgeram.info/tsb/2004/21-004-04.htm > I had my 02 Dakota in today for it's 30,000 mile Transmission Service. The > Dealer used ATF+3 in it. The owners manual recommends ATF+4 in the 45RFE > trans. that is in my truck. When I questioned the service writer I was told > that dodge now recommends ATF+3. he is full of sh.t. >I have already E-Mailed dodge and will hear > back from then by Wed. My main concern is that my 7yr/100mi. warranty is now > shot. The 7/100 is the only reason a 02 Dodge is in the driveway and not a > 02 Chey. Has anyone heard of this change of mind from Dodge??? None....Strongly suggest that you get ATF 4 in there ASAP...at the DEALERS expense. > I had my 02 Dakota in today for it's 30,000 mile Transmission Service. The > Dealer used ATF+3 in it. The owners manual recommends ATF+4 in the 45RFE [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > shot. The 7/100 is the only reason a 02 Dodge is in the driveway and not a > 02 Chey. Has anyone heard of this change of mind from Dodge??? The dealer is wrong. It should have ATF+4 in it. ATF+3 won't hurt it but your warranty requires the synthetic ATF+4. There have been TSB's issued on the subject but your dealer has it backwards. >> I had my 02 Dakota in today for it's 30,000 mile Transmission Service. >> The Dealer used ATF+3 in it. The owners manual recommends ATF+4 in the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > but your warranty requires the synthetic ATF+4. There have been TSB's > issued on the subject but your dealer has it backwards. Maybe, maybe not .......... read the TSB very close and see if your transmission requires the ATF+4 or +3. http://dodgeram.info/tsb/2004/21-004-04.htm This is the same one Nosey posted and if you read it you will see there are exceptions. My truck for example is listed but it came from the factory with ATF+3 and that is what I still have in it. Jerry > Maybe, maybe not .......... read the TSB very close and see if your > transmission requires the ATF+4 or +3. > http://dodgeram.info/tsb/2004/21-004-04.htm > This is the same one Nosey posted and if you read it you will see there > are exceptions. My truck for example is listed but it came from the > factory with ATF+3 and that is what I still have in it. Am I reading this TSB wrong? It says ATF+4 is recommended for all chryslers EXCEPT those listed above. Well, above it lists just about everything! It even lists my new 2004 Durango that was factory filled with ATF+4 and whose manuals specifies ATF+4. My 2001 Ram was also factory filled with ATF+4 and spec'd as such. Yea, you are reading it wrong. Here is (below) what's listed above. The models listed are the ones applicable to the TSB. All TSBs are worded this way. bill NOTE: This bulletin applies to all transmissions manufactured by Chrysler except for 1999 and earlier minivans with the 41TE/AE transmission, This Service Bulletin DOES NOT apply to all AW-4 transmissions, Sprinter transmissions, Crossfire transmissions and WG bodies equipped with a W5J400 or NAG1 transmission (sales code DGJ). >> Maybe, maybe not .......... read the TSB very close and see if your >> transmission requires the ATF+4 or +3. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > with ATF+4 and whose manuals specifies ATF+4. My 2001 Ram was also > factory filled with ATF+4 and spec'd as such. I just looked at T.S.B. 21-004-04 dated March 16, 2004 and in black and white it clearly stated that all Dakota's 1989-2004 are to be using ATF 4. This will be a fun one to fix. How is that dealers get Five Stars again. > Yea, you are reading it wrong. Here is (below) what's listed above. The > models listed are the ones applicable to the TSB. All TSBs are worded this [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> with ATF+4 and whose manuals specifies ATF+4. My 2001 Ram was also >> factory filled with ATF+4 and spec'd as such. I will add one more thing. The dealer is Town & Country Chrysler Dodge Jeep Bloomington, IN I will update the results after I talk with the G.M. this week. >>>Am I reading this TSB wrong? It says ATF+4 is recommended for all >>>chryslers EXCEPT those listed above. Well, above it lists just about >>>everything! It even lists my new 2004 Durango that was factory filled >>>with ATF+4 and whose manuals specifies ATF+4. My 2001 Ram was also >>>factory filled with ATF+4 and spec'd as such. Jay it doesn't really say that so as I said before read very carefully and check out your own vehicle. What it does say is "It is recommended that all vehicles with Chrysler automatic transmissions". Recommended is the key word here. If your vehicle came from the factory with ATF+3 then there is no need to change over unless you want to. Once you make that change you can't go back. The list you refer to lists vehicles all the way back to 1989 and correct me if I'm wrong but ATF+4 wasn't around then was it. My truck is a 1999 and came with ATF+3 which is what I keep in it. Having said that if your vehicle came with ATF+4 and ATF+3 was put in then you need to get the dealership to correct this right away because you in fact do need ATF+4. Make them pull up the TSB and read it in front of you then see what they say. If they still insist the ATF+3 okay then I would find another dealer asap. Jerry Yes my Truck was shipped from Dodge with ATF+4 it's on the dipstick also to use ATF+4 I am going in on Sat. to get changed back over. Here is the E-Mail I got back from Dodge. Dear James, Thank you for your recent email to DaimlerChrysler Motors regarding your 2002 Dodge Dakota. When servicing your vehicle's transmission, it is recommended that ATF+4 be used. Thank you again for your email. >>>>Am I reading this TSB wrong? It says ATF+4 is recommended for all >>>>chryslers EXCEPT those listed above. Well, above it lists just about [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Jerry ATF+4 has been around $8 / qt. but now my local dealer Brown Motors in Petoskey has it for $4.50/qt. & they will ship it in case lots for a max of $13.12. Contact erikbrown@brownmotors.com if you want to order a case. (800 762-5220) They used to give local Hot Rod clubs A PERFORMANCE part discount near club show times, it would`nt hurt to ask. (This is a way above average dealership to deal with in my opinion) dick mellon >I had my 02 Dakota in today for it's 30,000 mile Transmission Service. The >Dealer used ATF+3 in it. The owners manual recommends ATF+4 in the 45RFE [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >is now shot. The 7/100 is the only reason a 02 Dodge is in the driveway and >not a 02 Chey. Has anyone heard of this change of mind from Dodge??? > ATF+4 has been around $8 / qt. but now my local dealer Brown Motors in > Petoskey has it for $4.50/qt. & they will ship it in case lots for a max of > $13.12. ATF+4 has been about $4.75/qt at my dealership. Gallons are about $18. >> ATF+4 has been around $8 / qt. but now my local dealer Brown Motors in >> Petoskey has it for $4.50/qt. & they will ship it in case lots for a max >> of $13.12. > > ATF+4 has been about $4.75/qt at my dealership. Gallons are about $18. A quick way to find out which fluid is required is to look at your dip stick. Most all chrysler vehicles state which fluid should be used on the dip stick its self. |
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