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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / February 2005

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William - 25 Feb 2005 21:44 GMT
My 1992 dodge dakota alternator is charging 14.5 volts all the  time and
has ruined two batteries , all wiring seems to be ok any help would be
appreciated
Steve W. - 25 Feb 2005 22:14 GMT
Uh maybe TEST THE ALTERNATOR.....
Duhhh

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> My 1992 dodge dakota alternator is charging 14.5 volts all the  time and
> has ruined two batteries , all wiring seems to be ok any help would be
> appreciated
William - 25 Feb 2005 22:59 GMT
Steve, I have installed a new alternator and still have the same
problem,the alternator does not have a built in voltage regulator it is
regulated  in the engine computer.
Greg O - 26 Feb 2005 00:05 GMT
Steve, I have installed a new alternator and still have the same
problem,the alternator does not have a built in voltage regulator it is
regulated  in the engine computer.

Replace the computer then??
Is charging voltage something a tech can adjust with a scan tool?
Greg
Steve W. - 26 Feb 2005 02:29 GMT
Then either replace the computer OR put in a separate regulator. Both
are viable options. Before you do either I would check ALL the wiring
for bad connections and bad grounds. The computer regulator senses the
voltage through a lot of wire, a bad connection in the circuit will
cause it to raise the voltage to compensate for what it thinks is low
voltage. I would also have the current alternator tested to make sure it
isn't putting out any high frequency spikes through a bad diode. That
could also cause the voltage reading in the computer to act strange.
Then go from there. One bad ground connection could cause it as well.
That includes a bad battery cable connector also.

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> Steve, I have installed a new alternator and still have the same
> problem,the alternator does not have a built in voltage regulator it is
> regulated  in the engine computer.

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> William and Mary
TBone - 26 Feb 2005 00:20 GMT
Perhaps you would care to explain this logic.

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> Uh maybe TEST THE ALTERNATOR.....
> Duhhh
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TBone - 26 Feb 2005 00:19 GMT
You can either replace the computer or modify the electrical system and hang
an external regulator on it and bypass the existing one.

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> My 1992 dodge dakota alternator is charging 14.5 volts all the  time and
> has ruined two batteries , all wiring seems to be ok any help would be
> appreciated
nospam.clare.nce@sny.der.on.ca - 26 Feb 2005 01:41 GMT
>You can either replace the computer or modify the electrical system and hang
>an external regulator on it and bypass the existing one.

Or you can correct the poor ground or wiring connection that is
allowing the regulator to regulate high. A voltage drop in the sense
circuit will cause the output voltage of the alternator to climb by
the amount of the voltage drop.
miles - 26 Feb 2005 14:58 GMT
> My 1992 dodge dakota alternator is charging 14.5 volts all the  time and
> has ruined two batteries , all wiring seems to be ok any help would be
> appreciated

14.5 volts is about the right charge voltage for every vehicle I've ever
 owned.  It should not go higher than that with higher engine RPM's.
How are your cables and connections?  Sometimes you have to peel back
the insulation to really see if there is corrosion working its way down.
 High resistance will quickly destroy a battery.  Maybe something
pulling current even with the ignition off?
GERE - 27 Feb 2005 07:49 GMT
William voltage charging between 13.5 volts and 14.5 volts is normal. I
think you have a voltage draw.  something on your truck is staying on
draining your battery.
RamMan@dodgecity.cc - 27 Feb 2005 17:27 GMT
>William voltage charging between 13.5 volts and 14.5 volts is normal. I
>think you have a voltage draw.  something on your truck is staying on
>draining your battery.

I agree 100% with this diagnosis.

By repeatedly deep-cycling your battery, the battery is destroying itself
prematurely. A lead-acid batter has a finite number of charge/discharge
cycles, which ordinarily is a very large number, literally thousands of
cycles under normal use (it should last several years). However, under
ABNORMAL use, where every recharge has to bring the battery up from a
significant state of discharge, the life-cycle is quite small, in the
hundreds.

Normal use, for the sake of definition here, means a battery that performs
mainly one function, starting the engine. This is a very brief (a few
seconds) of discharge followed by a brief recharge and thereafter a
general, very low current "float" charge while the engine is running.

What we suspect (strongly suspect) is that your battery is being subjected
to a constant drain while the engine is off. This could be something as
little as a trunk or glove compartment light that is remaining on. Or
possibly an aftermarket amplifier that is "wired hot" all the time. It
could also be a defective alarm system. Whatever the cause, **SOMETHING**
is draining your battery. No, not to the point that it won't start your
vehicle, but we do get to that point *eventually*.  The point is, once the
engine is started, the alternator is then recharging a considerably
discharged battery for a long time (several minutes or longer) until it
becomes fully recharged once again. This type of use definitely will cause
premature battery failure. Even something as insignificant as a radar
detector will **eventually** run down your battery. No, certainly not
overnight, but over a weekend or a long holiday weekend where you leave
your vehicle parked the whole time, the small, steady discharge will add
up.
William - 28 Feb 2005 00:24 GMT
Gere and Ramman, I think you may be right, I checked for battery draw
and I found a 1½ amp draw with ignition off
started removing fuses and when fuse no. 6 was removed it cleared the
battery draw, checked that circuit and it was the tachometer module,
removed the module
and replaced fuse  problem solved, I can drive without a tach.
 The store I purchased the battery from replaced it no charge.
I want to thank all of you for your input
this is a good group, keep up the good work.
 
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