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MoParMaN - 13 Mar 2005 00:06 GMT
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Colibri - 13 Mar 2005 05:26 GMT
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=581&e=1&u=/nm/20050311/tc_nm/tec
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I'm more interested in your allegation that Ad-Aware
<http://www.lavasoftusa.com/> is spyware. Seems I read that somewhere else
recently, and I don't believe it.
MoParMaN - 13 Mar 2005 16:00 GMT
>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=581&e=1&u=/nm/20050311/tc_nm/tec
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> I'm more interested in your allegation that Ad-Aware
> <http://www.lavasoftusa.com/> is spyware. Seems I read that somewhere else
> recently, and I don't believe it.

That's what I was saying earlier. These programs you are downling to get rid
of certain things are actually installing there own virus/worm on your
machine. They now can see what and where you go on the web.

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High Sierra - 13 Mar 2005 16:48 GMT
>>>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=581&e=1&u=/nm/20050311/tc_nm/tec
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> of certain things are actually installing there own virus/worm on your
> machine. They now can see what and where you go on the web.

 Please explain in detail how Ad-Aware or Spybot or any of the other free
Adware checkers install spyware on your system.

 In other words, supply some proof of your unfounded allegation.
Nirodac - 13 Mar 2005 19:09 GMT
I've heard this too.  But it did not apply specifically to Ad-Aware or
Spybot, it was to  lesser know products that "sounded" like these
products.  So far our IT department hasn't had issues with these two
products.
Could be a urban legend, or just slander, in order to discredit these
products, and convince you to switch to another product.
But, one would think that if you where to run a competing product to
Spybot or Ad-aware, would it not detect the others spy or ad virus.
Further, if you where running a firewall (zonealarm for example), would
it not detect unauthorized access to the Internet.
Just my thoughts, now I gotta go outside and paint the exhuast manifolds
on my truck.

>>>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=581&e=1&u=/nm/20050311/tc_nm/tec
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>  In other words, supply some proof of your unfounded allegation.
MoParMaN - 13 Mar 2005 19:48 GMT
> I've heard this too.  But it did not apply specifically to Ad-Aware or
> Spybot, it was to  lesser know products that "sounded" like these
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> Just my thoughts, now I gotta go outside and paint the exhuast manifolds
> on my truck.

Generally when you install a new program, specially a download, you have
either given permission for the program to open a port to use or it asked
you and you said yes. They are sneaky bastards.

Go out to the Home and Garden web site and look at the million dollar house
they are giving away in Tyler Texas. It'll ask you to register for the free
drawing...when you do, you'll get 50 emails by morning from all the world
and your adware, zone alarm and everything else won't catch it.

My wife does this every night. I finally just blocked their IP address, but
that's easily changed too. I can change mine in about 4 seconds.

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Jerry - 13 Mar 2005 21:47 GMT
>>I've heard this too.  But it did not apply specifically to Ad-Aware or
>>Spybot, it was to  lesser know products that "sounded" like these
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> drawing...when you do, you'll get 50 emails by morning from all the world
> and your adware, zone alarm and everything else won't catch it.

Well duh ................ you just authorized then to use your email
address.  Doesn't mean they tried to install something on your computer.

Jerry
MoParMaN - 13 Mar 2005 22:08 GMT
>>>I've heard this too.  But it did not apply specifically to Ad-Aware or
>>>Spybot, it was to  lesser know products that "sounded" like these
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>
> Jerry

Keep your head in the sand, it's Okay!

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Jerry - 14 Mar 2005 01:34 GMT
>>>>I've heard this too.  But it did not apply specifically to Ad-Aware or
>>>>Spybot, it was to  lesser know products that "sounded" like these
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> Keep your head in the sand, it's Okay!

Better than having it up my a.s like you have yours.  You register for
something on a web site and you can't figure out how they got your email
address .....LOL  You never did answer my question "If there is no tool
to find them, how did you find them?" in the other spin of thread.
Wanna take a shot down here or you still to tired.........

Jerry
FMB - 13 Mar 2005 23:36 GMT
>> I've heard this too.  But it did not apply specifically to Ad-Aware or
>> Spybot, it was to  lesser know products that "sounded" like these
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> My wife does this every night. I finally just blocked their IP address,
> but that's easily changed too. I can change mine in about 4 seconds.

Of course when you 'register to win' and use your email address, you just
gave them the opportunity to send you stuff.  SPAM, Worms and Viruses are
different from each other.  Ad-Aware and Zone Alarm aren't gonna touch any
spam as they were not designed to (at least the free version).  If you want
a good free Spam Blocker, try K9 from Keirnet.  Its the best, IMHO.

If you are worried about open ports, try scanning your system with something
like Slow Port Scan from www.dslreports.com (click Security in the left
column).
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High Sierra - 14 Mar 2005 18:40 GMT
>>SNIP

Go out to the Home and Garden web site and look at the million dollar house
they are giving away in Tyler Texas. It'll ask you to register for the free
drawing...when you do, you'll get 50 emails by morning from all the world
and your adware, zone alarm and everything else won't catch it.

>>SNIP

 That is not what's called spyware, that's what's called being an idiot.
MoParMaN - 13 Mar 2005 19:44 GMT
>>>>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=581&e=1&u=/nm/20050311/tc_nm/tec
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>  In other words, supply some proof of your unfounded allegation.

They are spyware....You installed it when you accepted their fine print.

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High Sierra - 14 Mar 2005 18:37 GMT
>>>>>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=581&e=1&u=/nm/20050311/tc_nm/tec
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> They are spyware....You installed it when you accepted their fine print.

I always read the fine print, and also research before installing any software.
I run Ad-Aware, Spybot, and Spyware Blaster.

Neither detects the others as spyware.

So to repeat myself. Lets have some proof.

I would accept a link to an informative source as proof.
jmc - 13 Mar 2005 21:48 GMT
Suddenly, without warning, High Sierra exclaimed (3/13/2005 3:48 PM):

>> That's what I was saying earlier. These programs you are downling to
>> get rid of certain things are actually installing there own virus/worm
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>  In other words, supply some proof of your unfounded allegation.

I'd like to see some proof too.  If Ad-Aware installed spyware, wouldn't
something like Spybot or MS's beta product report it?  And, please don't
tell me it's a big conspiracy, that they're all working together.

I think you're getting Spyware Assassin, and other miscreants, confused
with true spyware removal products.  If they did what you say,
*someone*, *somewhere* in the computer business would report it -
certainly, it would have been reported on /. (slashdot) by now, yes?
thenewguy - 13 Mar 2005 23:23 GMT
>Suddenly, without warning, High Sierra exclaimed (3/13/2005 3:48 PM):
>>
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>*someone*, *somewhere* in the computer business would report it -
>certainly, it would have been reported on /. (slashdot) by now, yes?

geez.  for awhile adaware had some tracking stuff in it.  sort of a
marketing research.  pretty limitted but it pissed allot of people
off.  most software does it and almost all of it is harmless stuff.
it wasn't abig deal, adaware is a very good program and doesn't do
anything bad to your system.  it is still highly recommended by the
experts.  you should use several spyware programs together.  none of
them will get all spyware or ad programs for that matter.
MoParMaN - 13 Mar 2005 19:43 GMT
>>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=581&e=1&u=/nm/20050311/tc_nm/tec
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> rid of certain things are actually installing there own virus/worm on your
> machine. They now can see what and where you go on the web.

I agree, they've always done that.....Who are you arguing with?

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Colibri - 14 Mar 2005 00:41 GMT
>>>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=581&e=1&u=/nm/20050311/tc_nm/tec
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> I agree, they've always done that.....Who are you arguing with?

Good to see that you still agree with yourself.
You're baffling the rest of us, though.
Phil Indablank - 13 Mar 2005 08:22 GMT
>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=581&e=1&u=/nm/20050311/tc_nm/tec
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Spyware Assassin is not the only one. There are many more.

Go here for info if interested. http://spywarewarrior.com
 
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