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What did dealer break - Cruise not working after front end work

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RickN7HJ@gmail.com - 15 Apr 2005 16:31 GMT
Had problem with front end and they replaced main bearing, idler arm
and couple other things on Steering.

Now suddenly my cruise doesnt work.

Coicidence or did they screw up.

Dont really want to go back to them anymore if I dont have to. But if
they messed it up I will to have them fix it.
RickN7HJ@gmail.com - 15 Apr 2005 20:03 GMT
Double bounce by Gmail.

They foudn the wire to the sensor near the clock spring they replaced
to have a  Splice pulled loose (yea right) and they "respliced it"
Steve@carolinabreezehvac.com - 15 Apr 2005 20:27 GMT
> Double bounce by Gmail.
>
> They foudn the wire to the sensor near the clock spring they replaced
> to have a  Splice pulled loose (yea right) and they "respliced it"

Yea right?
So...bear with me, as your statement above makes little sense in
english...but you are now complaining that they found the problem, and made
it right for you?

Im not real sure what you said, but I am pretty sure that you just might be
too stupid to own a vehicle.
Rick Scott - 15 Apr 2005 22:00 GMT
> Yea right?
> So...bear with me, as your statement above makes little sense in
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> Im not real sure what you said, but I am pretty sure that you just might be
> too stupid to own a vehicle.

Um Ill refrain from answering you in the manner you chose.

How about this dealer has been fairly below avg in the service
department.  So much so that the salesmen even complain about them.

Now the clock spring (which they replaced) has the wires for the cruise
next it.  If by chance they "BROKE" the wire in the first place, then
forgot about it or did'nt check or some other explanation, they would
still have to fix it. But instead of maybe admitting they may have broke
a wire, they possibly make up a story about Previous wire splices.

Now How often do you think the sensor wires or control wires for the
Cruise would have required a splice if the truck has never had a problem
before?  So why would a splice be there in the first place.
Mike Simmons - 16 Apr 2005 01:19 GMT
>> Yea right?
>> So...bear with me, as your statement above makes little sense in
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> Cruise would have required a splice if the truck has never had a problem
> before?  So why would a splice be there in the first place.

I don't know all the circumstances surrounding your problem, but, it appears
the dealer took responsibility for the problem and fixed it at no charge to
you..... what more do you want?  Seems to me that they did the right
thing.....

Mike
Steve@carolinabreezehvac.com - 16 Apr 2005 04:43 GMT
> > Yea right?
> > So...bear with me, as your statement above makes little sense in
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>
> Um Ill refrain from answering you in the manner you chose.

Ummm....good..this time you made sense.

> How about this dealer has been fairly below avg in the service
> department.  So much so that the salesmen even complain about them.

Oh god..
WHY do you go there then?
Its a very simple thing....if the dealer really sucks, then WHY go there?
I drive over 45 miles to go to a dealer I like, trust, and one that fixes
things the first time...I have at least 4 closer, but one really does
suck...and its the one right up the road closest to me.
Even if you have to drive a bit farther, it sure sounds like you would be
happier elsewhere.

> Now the clock spring (which they replaced) has the wires for the cruise
> next it.  If by chance they "BROKE" the wire in the first place, then
> forgot about it or did'nt check or some other explanation, they would
> still have to fix it. But instead of maybe admitting they may have broke
> a wire, they possibly make up a story about Previous wire splices.

How about:
It broke while making your other repair and they didnt know it broke?
How about you really DO have a previous repair there that you dont know
about for whatever reason, and had no reason to consider that it was there?
Does it always have to be a damn conspiracy?

> Now How often do you think the sensor wires or control wires for the
> Cruise would have required a splice if the truck has never had a problem
> before?  So why would a splice be there in the first place.

I dont know..if I knew the answer to that, I could tell you why my 2500,
with less than 30K on the odometer thats never been loaded heavy, and I have
had since it was new, (1 year today as a matter of fact) has a set of
sagging springs...and is getting a new set soon.
I could also tell you why its broken 3 spark plugs, 2 on the same
cylinder..I could tell you why it needs a new AC control, and a new purge
valve..
Oh...wait..things break. Things get poked and prodded while working on
things and they can break.

Point is, the dealer made it right. Why cry about it? God....when I worked
at a dealership, we had customers like this one, and we cringed everytime
they came in. I realized that some people were just out for a freebie or to
complain every time they went when I changed locations one time, and had a
customer that gave us hell at the other dealer, and complained that WE broke
her T-belt after she left for an oil change, even though we told her she was
30,000 past due...i wont forget this woman....she came into the new dealer I
was working at and started in about the a.shole that she had to deal with at
the other dealer and how they screwed up her car and she had to sue to make
it right...
I just looked at her and said....but *I* made it right, and you didnt have
to sue, you just bitched real loud....
Priceless.
More priceless...she is a customer of mine now...and I am not in automotive
any longer..LOL
RickN7HJ@gmail.com - 18 Apr 2005 16:26 GMT
>Oh god..WHY do you go there then?

Because I bought the Truck there ... It had some problems in the front
end.  I wouldnt have, but I was forced.

> Does it always have to be a damn conspiracy?

No Just incompantancy

>Point is, the dealer made it right. Why cry about it? God....when I worked
>at a dealership, we had customers like this one, and we cringed everytime
>they came in.

Ahh So YOU have issues you need to deal with.  Anger management.  I
notice that your  answers to anyone posting to this group is never an
answer but a SLAM.  But thats yours to deal with.   My Dealer is
something I had to deal with.

Ok here is why It built up.  My Salesman didnt take your stance however
and is bringing this all up in the Morning meeting this morning between
the Salesmen and Service.   At least my salesman is trying to change
some of the practices back there.

Several things have built up to this.

We bought a Van there .. 2003 with 10K miles.    Our salesman took it
back to service for a complete inspection report.  Came back with
everything listed out.   One of the things I wondered about is 10K
miles on brakes and they listed them at 80% .. Odd but  if they say so.

We take the Van back with 17K on it with a brake noise.  They say the
Front have to be replaced and OH brakes are NOT Warrenty its a
Maintenance Item.   Fine I figure wife been hard on the brakes. Replace
them ... Fool me once.  I didnt ask how much and when I went to pick
the van up i was hit with a $310 buck bill to replace the two front
brake pads.  No other task was accomplished.    Ouch Hard lesson
learned.

Bought truck from same salesman ... Has 37K on it.  I specifically told
the salesman to have the brakes checked and to personally have it
verified.  Came back at 80% again ... He said the previous owner must
have replaced them.   Ill come back to this.

2 weeks ago, I took my truck in for Oil/lube (they sent me a coupon for
a price noone could beat) fool me twice.   Got truck in and was told 45
min.   After an hour I very nicely  ask service guy if truck is done.
He says to wait back in waiting room he will check on it.  After
another hour I go back and ask again and he says "OH didnt no one tell
you we were done an Hour ago" ... Great.

Now I take it in for this front end things.  Among other things they
HAD replaced the Clock spring (Idler arm couple others) .... When He
called at 1PM I said I would be there at 4:30 after work.  I arrive and
was told to WAIT for the Paperwork to be completed (could they not have
done that then) ... I waited another 45 min while they did paperwork.
Expecting to pay the 100 deductible ... I get presented with a 225 buck
bill.   Asking whats up .... I get told that the front end alignment
after the replaced the parts is not covered by warrent.  ITS A
MAINTENANCE ITEM.

So there is my story.

I dont BITCH to them, I have learned to be very polite.   The
newsgroups I try to be polite too and not hammer people with comments
such as yours.  You may have yelling and screaming customers but with
your attitude I can see why.

Me, Ill talk to my salesman and see if he was able to get anywhere.  If
not, Ill see if a Better dodge dealer is around for all other
maintenance and will only go back for warrenty if I have to.
Steve@carolinabreezehvac.com - 18 Apr 2005 17:06 GMT
> >Oh god..WHY do you go there then?
>
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> answer but a SLAM.  But thats yours to deal with.   My Dealer is
> something I had to deal with.

LOL...far from it.
Im one of the easiest to get along with people you could meet...
Nate knows...several in here know me in real life..not as words on a screen.

> Ok here is why It built up.  My Salesman didnt take your stance however
> and is bringing this all up in the Morning meeting this morning between
> the Salesmen and Service.   At least my salesman is trying to change
> some of the practices back there.

Your saleman is BS'n you.

> Several things have built up to this.
>
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> brake pads.  No other task was accomplished.    Ouch Hard lesson
> learned.

Did they tell you that there are FOUR brake pads on the van?
Keep going man..this is why I seem to be a hard a.s...sugar coating
ignorance isnt my cup of tea...

> Bought truck from same salesman ... Has 37K on it.  I specifically told
> the salesman to have the brakes checked and to personally have it
> verified.  Came back at 80% again ... He said the previous owner must
> have replaced them.   Ill come back to this.

Another proof positive that the dealer you deal with is not the one you
should be dealing with.

> 2 weeks ago, I took my truck in for Oil/lube (they sent me a coupon for
> a price noone could beat) fool me twice.   Got truck in and was told 45
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> after the replaced the parts is not covered by warrent.  ITS A
> MAINTENANCE ITEM.

Umm....37,000 miles on the truck...basic warranty is 3-36.......
However, if they replaced parts under warranty, that would effect the
alignment, then its up to the dealer to cover it, since its covered onthe
green sheets...

> So there is my story.
>
> I dont BITCH to them, I have learned to be very polite.   The
> newsgroups I try to be polite too and not hammer people with comments
> such as yours.  You may have yelling and screaming customers but with
> your attitude I can see why.

Geese..

Ok...sorry you dont like being told in a point blank manner that your dealer
sucks, and your overall attitude that for whatever reason drives you to
return to them for the same old song and dance is creating your issues.
I have issues? LOL...what was it you said? f.ck me once? Looks like they
have taken you for a ride over and over and over...and you dont get it.
As far as my customers went....I was in the top 10 rated serice managers in
the country with 2 of the franchies that we dealt with, and in the top 20
for 3 years after I left.
Nope...customers came in screaming normally cause they were fuckin nuts.
Kinda like the same guy that goes for his weekly ""lube"" at a dealer that
wont let him down.

hint.

> Me, Ill talk to my salesman and see if he was able to get anywhere.  If
> not, Ill see if a Better dodge dealer is around for all other
> maintenance and will only go back for warrenty if I have to.

All you have to do, is go to the website, punch in your zip, and you can get
a listing of dealers around you.
Nosey - 16 Apr 2005 05:45 GMT
> Now the clock spring (which they replaced) has the wires for the
> cruise next it.  If by chance they "BROKE" the wire in the first
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> Cruise would have required a splice if the truck has never had a
> problem before?  So why would a splice be there in the first place.

Maybe it wasn't a "repair" splice. It might have been a factory wire
connector that he referred to as a splice to simplify the explanation. Maybe
that connector needed to be disconnected to access the clockspring, and the
wire pulled loose from the connector in the process. You'll never know for
sure unless you ask the service manager to find out exactly what happened.
Be patient and polite with him and I bet he will be willing to help you.
RickN7HJ@gmail.com - 18 Apr 2005 16:29 GMT
I was, he offered the reason was there was a aftermarket splice.   But
if there was such a thing with the clock spring (lower end of steering
column) wouldnt the tech have checked all that when he finished? Rather
than me going back for another 2 hours of waiting to get it fixed.
Just doesnt seem like good business to me.
LD - 17 Apr 2005 00:10 GMT
IF they broke the wire the simple fact is, they did sloppy work and IF they
gave some harebrained explanation instead of admitting it they are also
dishonest.  A GOOD mechanic would not only fix the problem but check to see
he didn't break or damage anything else (including greasy palm prints on
things like the body, door handles, steering wheel, etc).  While they charge
$75.00 to $150.00/hour, what compensation do they give when the "customer"
has to bring his vehicle back so they can fix their own screw-up?
It gets worse!
LD

> > Yea right?
> > So...bear with me, as your statement above makes little sense in
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> Cruise would have required a splice if the truck has never had a problem
> before?  So why would a splice be there in the first place.
High Sierra - 17 Apr 2005 15:00 GMT
> Double bounce by Gmail.
>
> They foudn the wire to the sensor near the clock spring they replaced
> to have a  Splice pulled loose (yea right) and they "respliced it"

 What were they doing under the dash if they were repairing front end components?
Steve@carolinabreezehvac.com - 17 Apr 2005 15:22 GMT
> > Double bounce by Gmail.
> >
> > They foudn the wire to the sensor near the clock spring they replaced
> > to have a  Splice pulled loose (yea right) and they "respliced it"
> >
>   What were they doing under the dash if they were repairing front end components?

Prob nothing.
This is the same kind of person that takes one in for a front end alignment,
and then complains a week later when the motor locks up from 50K of no oil
changes that the dealer did it.
the guy - 17 Apr 2005 18:27 GMT
>> Double bounce by Gmail.
>>
>> They foudn the wire to the sensor near the clock spring they replaced
>> to have a  Splice pulled loose (yea right) and they "respliced it"
>>
>  What were they doing under the dash if they were repairing front end components?

lol.  i never even thought about that, but a good question.
TranSurgeon - 18 Apr 2005 03:08 GMT
'clock spring' is generally at lower end of column

not 'under dash'

> >> Double bounce by Gmail.
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>
> lol.  i never even thought about that, but a good question.
High Sierra - 18 Apr 2005 15:58 GMT
In the engine compartment?

> 'clock spring' is generally at lower end of column
>
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>
>>lol.  i never even thought about that, but a good question.
TBone - 18 Apr 2005 16:23 GMT
What exactly is your definition of "lower  end of the column???"

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> In the engine compartment?
>
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> >
> >>lol.  i never even thought about that, but a good question.
Denny - 17 Apr 2005 20:16 GMT
>> Double bounce by Gmail.
>>
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>  What were they doing under the dash if they were repairing front end
> components?

If, and this is a big "IF", they by some chance had the steering shaft
unfastened and turned the shaft too much they could have pulled a wire apart
inside the clockspring. If this had happened, it shouldn't have been
repaired, it should have had a new clockspring installed.

Denny
High Sierra - 18 Apr 2005 16:00 GMT
>>>Double bounce by Gmail.
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>
> Denny

I'm going to show my ignorance now. What is the "clockspring"?
TBone - 18 Apr 2005 16:29 GMT
> >>>Double bounce by Gmail.
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> >
> I'm going to show my ignorance now. What is the "clockspring"?

The clockspring is the connection between the steering wheel controls and
air bag and the fixed part of the column.  It loops around inside of the
column many times to be able to expand and contract to deal with the right
and left rotation of the steering wheel and looks like a clock spring, hence
it's name.

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High Sierra - 18 Apr 2005 18:00 GMT
>>>>>Double bounce by Gmail.
>>>>>
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> and left rotation of the steering wheel and looks like a clock spring, hence
> it's name.

Great answer. Thanks.
 
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