I have a Ram 1999 4x4 1500 quad cab.
Two days ago the battery went dead because we left the cell phone
plugged in to the power outlet (I'm assuming that's how it died).
I went out last night and charged it up enough for it to start. But as
soon as I would take my foot off the gas, the truck would instantly die.
It would start back up just fine but would not stay running unless I had
my foot on the gas.
A friend of mine came over and tested the battery and found that it was
only up to 7 volts. I had charged it for about an hour and 30 minutes.
Is the battery dead dead? As in, something happened to it where it can't
be charged back up to 12 volts?
And if it is dead, would that be the reason the truck dies when I take
my foot off the gas?
The friend also said something about a fuel pressure fuse that may have
been blown and that's why it dies, but I couldn't find anything like
that.
I'm asking because I was gonna go buy a new battery today.
Thansk for any help.
Steve
TranSurgeon - 05 May 2005 13:20 GMT
not sure about Mopar's, but on GM's, after a dead battery, you have to do a
key on-off-on-off-on-off-then start
something about 'preventing high RPM idle on a fresh start' (as in first
start at the factory), according to the local battery/alternator/starter guy
try it, AFTER you have the battery charged AND load-tested and know it's
good (you might be better off to just instal a known good battery for a
start)
as far as the 'fuel pressure fuse', pure phlogiston
> I have a Ram 1999 4x4 1500 quad cab.
>
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> Thansk for any help.
> Steve
Steve K - 05 May 2005 13:46 GMT
I think I found the answer: From the dodge archives..
>>The problem is that the computer loses its learned memory at
approximately 10 volts or lower. This means that the computer has lost
track of the position that the idle air control motor is in. It no
longer knows if the motor is open - closed - or anywhere in between.
This is why the vehicle dies as soon as the throttle is let off. It no
longer has the ability to control the idle. It would eventually relearn
the value if the vehicle was operated through a variety of acceleration
and deceleration scenarios, however it is easier to replace the faulty
battery and reset all sensor minimum values with the DRBII.
Someone might comment on the fact that they can reconnect their
battery after it has been disconnected and that it will start and idle
fine. Why is that so if the memory has been lost? My only answer is
from experience only, not technical knowledge. Low voltage is by far
worse for a computer than no voltage. It is my belief that the low
voltage will cause the processors to develop false values which will
result in a variety of problems when trying to start the vehicle.
Remember that the crankshaft and camshaft hall-effect sensors have
a power up wire of 9 volts. Even if the engine cranks and the fuel pump
could develop enough fuel pressure under 9 volts, the vehicle will never
start.
> I have a Ram 1999 4x4 1500 quad cab.
>
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> Thansk for any help.
> Steve
Tom Lawrence - 05 May 2005 14:02 GMT
> Two days ago the battery went dead because we left the cell phone
> plugged in to the power outlet (I'm assuming that's how it died).
I really doubt it... I leave my cell phone plugged in to my accessory
outlet (always powered) all the time, and never have a problem. The draw
from a charger is VERY low. It soulds like your battery died from 'old
age' - but your cell phone didn't have anything to do with it. Of course,
if the charger malfunctioned, it could draw enough out of your battery to
run it down, but then your cell phone would be a puddle of goo on the seat,
as well.
> A friend of mine came over and tested the battery and found that it was
> only up to 7 volts. I had charged it for about an hour and 30 minutes.
Yep - it's dead. Usually, if a battery drops below 10V at no load, it's
gone.
> And if it is dead, would that be the reason the truck dies when I take
> my foot off the gas?
Absolutely.
> The friend also said something about a fuel pressure fuse that may have
> been blown and that's why it dies, but I couldn't find anything like
> that.
Nope... if that were the case, it wouldn't run at all - regardless of how
much throttle you give it.
Steve K - 05 May 2005 14:28 GMT
> > Two days ago the battery went dead because we left the cell phone
> > plugged in to the power outlet (I'm assuming that's how it died).
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> Nope... if that were the case, it wouldn't run at all - regardless of how
> much throttle you give it.
No puddle of goo on the seat, thankfully.
Thanks for the info.
Steve Lusardi - 05 May 2005 14:17 GMT
Steve,
It is a 99% chance your battery is bad. If you have a good battery, 5 years
is the expected life and less if you started with a discount special. On the
idle thing, the computer lost its spark and fuel map position when the
battery failed, so it is now running on the default settings. The computer
will have to relearn the correct spark and mixture settings. This is best
done by a long trip of about 3 hours in a city setting. Otherwise it can
take a week or more of short trips.
Steve
>I have a Ram 1999 4x4 1500 quad cab.
>
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> Thansk for any help.
> Steve
Steve K - 05 May 2005 15:26 GMT
> Steve,
> It is a 99% chance your battery is bad. If you have a good battery, 5 years
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> take a week or more of short trips.
> Steve
Thanks.
So my next question would be, is it normal for a battery that has been
100% reliable for 18 months (length of time I've owned the truck) to
just completely die out of the blue?
If it didn't die from the cell phone being plugged in, what was it?
Just old age?
Thanks again everyone
Steve
Tom Lawrence - 05 May 2005 15:33 GMT
> So my next question would be, is it normal for a battery that has been
> 100% reliable for 18 months (length of time I've owned the truck) to
> just completely die out of the blue?
I've had batteries where I would start the vehicle, drive to the store,
park, go in, come back out, and be greeted with a completely dead battery.
It happens. It could very well have 'died' during your drive home...
plates loosening up and shorting out... the truck would still run from the
output of the alternator.
craig@metronet.com - 05 May 2005 15:46 GMT
My experience with Mopar batteries is: if it is anywhere near 18-24
months old, get ready to replace it. Any time over 18-24 months is a
"gift". And yes, they just die out of the blue. My last Mopar battery
died exactly 5 minutes after I got home from work. I went out,
literally 5 mintues after I arrived home, to go to the grocery store
and it wouldn't start.
Oh, and the green "eye" on top of the battery that supposedly tells you
that it's in good shape doesn't mean a damn thing ...
;)
Craig C.
TBone - 05 May 2005 17:08 GMT
That green eye goes by the specific gravity of the electrolyte and does not
react to defective plates or buss bars which seems to be the problem with
these batteries.

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> My experience with Mopar batteries is: if it is anywhere near 18-24
> months old, get ready to replace it. Any time over 18-24 months is a
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> ;)
> Craig C.
Nosey - 05 May 2005 22:42 GMT
> My experience with Mopar batteries is: if it is anywhere near 18-24
> months old, get ready to replace it. Any time over 18-24 months is a
> "gift". And yes, they just die out of the blue. My last Mopar
> battery died exactly 5 minutes after I got home from work. I went
> out, literally 5 mintues after I arrived home, to go to the grocery
> store and it wouldn't start.
I'm happy with my Mopar batteries. The factory installed batteries in my '99
2500 are 6 full years/64,000 miles old. I know they will need replacement
soon but I'm holding out just to see how long they last. Maybe they send all
of the good batteries down to Mexico for the diesels.
craig@metronet.com - 06 May 2005 15:52 GMT
It's just like anything else I suppose, some good units, some bad. I
replaced the battery twice in my 2002 Ram 1500 before it hit 50k. A
good friend of mine has a 2002 Dakota and has replaced the battery 3
times. He just turned 32k. His wife has a 2002 Durango with 60k and
they have had the battery replaced once. Oh, and the green "eye" was
still green in every instance. ;)
Perhaps it's the Texas heat that kills them.
BTW, I haven't had to replace the battery in my 2004 Ram CTD yet. 17k
and counting ...
Craig C.
Tom Lawrence - 06 May 2005 23:40 GMT
> BTW, I haven't had to replace the battery in my 2004 Ram CTD yet. 17k
> and counting ...
Yep - it's a hit or miss thing. One of my stock batteries in my '03
exploded with about 16K on the clock... what a mess. The truck now has
dual Optima red-tops, so I don't expect a repeat performance.
Nosey - 07 May 2005 02:43 GMT
> Perhaps it's the Texas heat that kills them.
I hope not. I live in Fort Worth.
High Sierra - 07 May 2005 14:21 GMT
>>Perhaps it's the Texas heat that kills them.
>
> I hope not. I live in Fort Worth.
IMHO extreme heat is harder on batterys than extreme cold.
Jerry - 08 May 2005 04:10 GMT
> I'm happy with my Mopar batteries. The factory installed batteries in my '99
> 2500 are 6 full years/64,000 miles old. I know they will need replacement
> soon but I'm holding out just to see how long they last. Maybe they send all
> of the good batteries down to Mexico for the diesels.
Be careful ............. seems when they get ready to die there is
little or no warning. Could happen at the most inconvenient time, like
100 miles from no where.
Jerry
Nosey - 08 May 2005 08:19 GMT
> Be careful ............. seems when they get ready to die there is
> little or no warning. Could happen at the most inconvenient time,
> like 100 miles from no where.
>
> Jerry
Good point.
nospam.clare.nce@sny.der.on.ca - 09 May 2005 00:56 GMT
>> Be careful ............. seems when they get ready to die there is
>> little or no warning. Could happen at the most inconvenient time,
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>
>Good point.
And true of ANY electrical or mechanical device. The old Poncho
wouldn't start yesterday - NEVER any problems in the past (sice
replacing the old battery).
Turns out it was the Immobilizer relay from the alarm system - just
went open circuit like THAT.
nospam.clare.nce@sny.der.on.ca - 06 May 2005 04:28 GMT
>My experience with Mopar batteries is: if it is anywhere near 18-24
>months old, get ready to replace it. Any time over 18-24 months is a
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>;)
>Craig C.
The "eye" just means the SG of THAT cell is in the useable range, and
the liquid level is not below the recommended minimum.
beekeep - 06 May 2005 12:08 GMT
>> Steve,
>> It is a 99% chance your battery is bad. If you have a good battery, 5 years
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>
>Steve
Let's see - '99 truck and this is 2005 = 6 years old minus a 60 month
battery = 12 x 5 years = dead battery. You got a bargin! Replace the
battery every five years and you probably won't get stranded by it.
And no the cell phone won't drain it.
beekeep
nitpik - 05 May 2005 17:00 GMT
Just being curious .. have you put a meter on the battery posts while the
engine runs to assure that your alternator is putting out about 15 volts?
Clean the battery posts/terminals to assure that corrosion isn't preventing
your battery from taking a charge?
>I have a Ram 1999 4x4 1500 quad cab.
>
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> Thansk for any help.
> Steve