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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / June 2005HELP!!Mod to 2001 1500 Quadcab for towing 22' motorboat
i am in the process of buying a motorboat. i paln to tow it with my '01 1500 2WD Ram. It does not have the factory tow package. what mods should i do to the truck to safely tow this boat ~120 miles back to home and then ~1 mile to the boat ramp on weekends? thanks for your help. cliff hubbard > '01 1500 2WD Ram. It does not have the factory tow package. what mods > should i do to the truck to safely tow this boat ~120 miles back to > home and then ~1 mile to the boat ramp on weekends? Buy a decent Class IV hitch, such as a Draw-Tite part# 75101, and a wiring adapter (Draw-Tite part# 18329). You'll be all set. >> '01 1500 2WD Ram. It does not have the factory tow package. what mods >> should i do to the truck to safely tow this boat ~120 miles back to >> home and then ~1 mile to the boat ramp on weekends? > >Buy a decent Class IV hitch, such as a Draw-Tite part# 75101, and a wiring >adapter (Draw-Tite part# 18329). You'll be all set. Tom... for a 22' boat, shouldn't he also have a tranny cooler? (we didn't have one when we towed our 16' inboard, but another 6' of boat must add a lot of weight) mac Please remove splinters before emailing >>> '01 1500 2WD Ram. It does not have the factory tow package. what mods >>> should i do to the truck to safely tow this boat ~120 miles back to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > must > add a lot of weight) Seems like he is going to tow it a mile a week once he get's it home, no need for a cooler imho.. The initial 120 miles to get it to his home shouldn't be a problem if he uses his head. Heck, he could borrow a friends truck with a tow pkg for the haul to home. Roy > mac > > Please remove splinters before emailing Mac thanks for your reply. i was wondering if i might need a transmission cooler. what size would you recommend? the boat is on a dual axle trailer, twin 115 outboards. would you recommend a brand? cliff hubbard >Mac >thanks for your reply. i was wondering if i might need a transmission [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >cliff hubbard wow, that's a lot of boat! the trailer must weight about what my boat did.. lol Like some others have said, if you're only hauling it 1 mile each way, i don't think you need a cooler... The problem would be your initial tow, to bring it home... and it might be cheaper to rent a truck or borrow a friend's and fill the tank than t add something to your truck that you don't need..YMMV mac Please remove splinters before emailing it's not the 1 mile to and from that's gonna kill the transmission it's the full-stall start on a ramp with no forward speed to help cool it > >Mac > >thanks for your reply. i was wondering if i might need a transmission [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Please remove splinters before emailing I may be no transmission expert but I must say that if the trans is really that wimpy that it can't take around 60 seconds worth of effort a few times a month without damage, then it really has no business being in a truck at all.  SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > it's not the 1 mile to and from that's gonna kill the transmission > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > > > Please remove splinters before emailing That is a most perfect comment TBone...and I can't agree with you more. Same goes for problematic rearends (cough chevy cough). Trucks are used for what? Working and pulling loads. Why not make it right to begin with? Signature_________________________ Laszlo Almasi Carolina Watercraft Works, Inc. "In the battle between money and love, money will always triumph" I may have to change my signature......on second thought, I was right the first time. >I may be no transmission expert but I must say that if the trans is really > that wimpy that it can't take around 60 seconds worth of effort a few [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >> > >> > Please remove splinters before emailing go ahead, do a full-throttle stall on the transmission of your choice, for a full sixty seconds, several times a month NONE of them will handle it, without auxiliary cooling and regular fluid changes TC temps can spike in the 4-500 degree range under those conditions he need a realistic gear ratio in the a.s-end, and probably 4WD to deal with WET ramps, plus a honking big cooler, a 4WD pan (if its 2WD), and maybe a 50-50 mix of the recommended fluid and MobilOne 5-20 synthetic engine oil in it > I may be no transmission expert but I must say that if the trans is really > that wimpy that it can't take around 60 seconds worth of effort a few times [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > > > > > Please remove splinters before emailing > go ahead, do a full-throttle stall on the transmission of your choice, for > a > full sixty seconds, several times a month Who the hell uses full throttle (for a full minute, nonetheless), on a boat ramp? Really. Signature_________________________ Laszlo Almasi Carolina Watercraft Works, Inc. "In the battle between money and love, money will always triumph" I may have to change my signature......on second thought, I was right the first time. >> go ahead, do a full-throttle stall on the transmission of your choice, >> for a >> full sixty seconds, several times a month > > Who the hell uses full throttle (for a full minute, nonetheless), on a > boat ramp? You really need to step within the realm of reality Gary. The 60 seconds that I gave is really about 4 times the actual time it takes to pull a boat up the ramp (at least all of the ones that I used) and why would you ever use full throttle? If the ramp it that steep or the truck is that under powered for the boat that you are trying to launch, then even a trans cooler is not going to help you, not to mention that if you really needed full throttle, I doubt that you would ever get enough traction to pull the boat out (even with 4 wheel drive). SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > go ahead, do a full-throttle stall on the transmission of your choice, for a > full sixty seconds, several times a month [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > > > > > > > Please remove splinters before emailing YOU need to come over to our local lake and watch (and listen) some Sunday evening but hey, YOU know it all, YOU advise everyone on their transmission problems, I'll just sit back and punch holes in YOUR advice from here on out, OK ? go for it bucko, you seem to know almost as much as 'Front pump' Snoman > You really need to step within the realm of reality Gary. The 60 seconds > that I gave is really about 4 times the actual time it takes to pull a boat [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > > > > > > > > > Please remove splinters before emailing God forbid anybody disagree with you on anything. Your 60 second wide open stall condition just makes no sense. IF the truck cannot move under full throttle, then it will NEVER pull the boat up the ramp, never mind 60 seconds. Now I see that there were two others that also didn't agree with what you said but I see no negative response from you to them, why not??? I also said that it was my O P I N I O N that if the transmission cannot deal with some strain on occasion then it should not be in a truck, not a recommendation to anyone and others have agreed. Grow up dude. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > YOU need to come over to our local lake and watch (and listen) some Sunday > evening [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > Please remove splinters before emailing oh, poor widdle T-Boner he's being picked on poor baby > God forbid anybody disagree with you on anything. Your 60 second wide open > stall condition just makes no sense. IF the truck cannot move under full [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please remove splinters before emailing As I expected, unable to answer even a simple question. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > oh, poor widdle T-Boner > [quoted text clipped - 117 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please remove splinters before emailing you want an answer ? it's because you're an a.shole > As I expected, unable to answer even a simple question. > [quoted text clipped - 134 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please remove splinters before emailing And I see that you are once again your childish self. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > you want an answer ? > [quoted text clipped - 155 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please remove splinters before emailing LMAO....I get a kick out of watching idiots on ramps myself since I spend so much time on lakes. But using common sense and proper procedure is the most unused factors people need while towing and getting up steep ramps. Bottom line is that if you abuse your truck it's going to fail on you. Signature_________________________ Laszlo Almasi Carolina Watercraft Works, Inc. "In the battle between money and love, money will always triumph" I may have to change my signature......on second thought, I was right the first time. > YOU need to come over to our local lake and watch (and listen) some Sunday > evening [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] >> > > > > >> > > > > Please remove splinters before emailing had a 1/2 to dodge pu with no tow package, 2 wheel dr, 6 cyl manual stick. a ball on the bumper towed my 21 ft ctr concole boat ok...most 20 miles rd trip to a variety of ramps. had a major prob though.at a bad ramp (slime build on concrete) I was pulling it out and broke traction. boat was straped to trailer. all 4 went back into the river. boat,trailer,dodge pu and me. Henry >i am in the process of buying a motorboat. i paln to tow it with my >’01 1500 2WD Ram. It does not have the factory tow package. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >cliff hubbard If it is a 4.7 or 318 I would rear gear rear axle with 4.56 gears (do not let numbers scare you as OD takes the bit out of it) and it will pull it fine if you also add a aux tranny cooler. If it is a 360 try 4.10 gears with same aux cooler. With eithe rof this setup up above you should be able to tow it anywhere you want with no fear of breakdown and lack of performance. If you leave truck stock and it has tall gears, cooler or not it is just a question of time before it gives up onr hot day, the only unknown is whether it is next week or next year or two years from now. The only other option is just to replace truck with a more suitably equiped tow vehical too > If it is a 4.7 or 318 I would rear gear rear axle with 4.56 gears (do > not let numbers scare you as OD takes the bit out of it) and it will > pull it fine if you also add a aux tranny cooler. If it is a 360 try > 4.10 gears with same aux cooler. Are you insane? Re-gear a truck because of a 1-mile tow once a week? Is it me, or is there an inordinate amount of over-thinking when it comes to towing in this group lately? It's a 22' boat, not a D9 Cat, fer cryin' out loud... he'll be just fine with whatever he has. I would think that as well since I did order mine with the towing package and my gears are 3.55. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > If it is a 4.7 or 318 I would rear gear rear axle with 4.56 gears (do > > not let numbers scare you as OD takes the bit out of it) and it will [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > It's a 22' boat, not a D9 Cat, fer cryin' out loud... he'll be just fine > with whatever he has. >I would think that as well since I did order mine with the towing package >and my gears are 3.55. yeah... our ram is 3.55 and it pulls our travel trailer just fine... We slow down for BIG grades... to maybe 40 - 45 mph at about 3,200 rpm... I can't imagine what rpm we'd be turning with a 4:10 rear end! mac Please remove splinters before emailing Its not you......he will do jus fine. Henry >> If it is a 4.7 or 318 I would rear gear rear axle with 4.56 gears (do >> not let numbers scare you as OD takes the bit out of it) and it will [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > It's a 22' boat, not a D9 Cat, fer cryin' out loud... he'll be just fine > with whatever he has. >> If it is a 4.7 or 318 I would rear gear rear axle with 4.56 gears >(do [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >loud... he’ll be just fine >with whatever he has. I had a 21 foot inboard once and it was HEAVY and it was "exciting" on a steep boat ramp with a 1/2 ton truck with stock gears before I regeared it let me tell you. It only takes one steep ramp on a hot day tp cook a tranny sometimes because when it is stalling, it makea a lot of heat. Sure I lot of peple get by with bandaid steup and that fine if they want to but when I tow I want to be able to handle anything the load can possible present. I took my boat on several 400 mile round trips after I regeared down through the hilld of KY in summer heat to with no surprizes or problems which is more than I can say for some of the other boat towers I saw. > i am in the process of buying a motorboat. i paln to tow it with my > '01 1500 2WD Ram. It does not have the factory tow package. what mods [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > cliff hubbard I would use a tranny cooler. Personally, I think just about every auto tranny (car or truck) should have one if you live/drive where it routinly gets over 80*; or if you do any kind of towing at all, no matter where you live/drive.. Go to the bone yard and get the stock parts for an easy install. That will be more than enough. I wouldn't bother re-gearing, unless you really want to. If you don't have LSD, you should consider that up grade. Boat ramps can get a little slick. You don't say what engine you have. But as long as it's not a V6, it should have plenty of power. Signature.boB 1997 HD FXDWG - Turbocharged! 2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver 1966 FFR Cobra - Ongoing project > i am in the process of buying a motorboat. i paln to tow it with my > '01 1500 2WD Ram. It does not have the factory tow package. what mods [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > cliff hubbard -------------------------------- I realize this is a Dodge group (I've got a Maxiwagon), but for many years I pulled a 24 foot pontoon boat on a double axle trailer with a '94 Astro van. Just added a good hitch and a wiring kit. It was about a 50 mile round trip. You should be just fine with your setup. Mark |
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