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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / June 2005BioDiesel a fraud?
I saw on Science channel last week were 2 just out of high school kids converted an old Volkswagen diesel van to burn straight used cooking oil after they were told in their auto mechanic class it could not be done. They drove cross country stopping at fast food places to fill up. They only drawback was they has to run regular diesel till the engine warmed up then switched over to cooking oil. They said they got better performance with the cooking oil.  Signature"That intellectual torpor maybe sufficient to earn a job at some disaster prone part of the world like Chernobyl or NASA, but it won't cut the mustard with me." - Professor Maximillian Arturo The vehicle also passed California emission tests >I saw on Science channel last week were 2 just out of high school kids >converted an old Volkswagen diesel van to burn straight used cooking oil [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > They said they got better performance with the cooking oil. > I saw on Science channel last week were 2 just out of high school kids > converted an old Volkswagen diesel van to burn straight used cooking oil [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > They said they got better performance with the cooking oil. There's a local company that will convert your diesel to run on cooking oil. They're doing quite well. You can buy bio-diesel conversion kits that bring the cost of diesel down to about 70 cents a gallon. Add free waste cooking oil (vegetable) and some common ingredients to purify it and you end up with a higher quality fuel than the petro diesel. Apparently, the engine smells like french fries when running. SMH There's only one real problem with the idea of "free waste cooking oil".Restaurants sell their waste oil to recyclers so they are unlikely to want to give it to you to make biodiesel and households don't really produce enough to be worthwhile. >> I saw on Science channel last week were 2 just out of high school kids >> converted an old Volkswagen diesel van to burn straight used cooking oil [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > SMH From what I have heard, not all recyclers pay for the waste oil, many actually charge to take it and the restaurants really have no choice but to pay since you can't just throw it in the trash. If they have a way to get rid of it for free, why not. Perhaps you could make a deal with them to pick it up on call or more often than there current recycler so that they don't have to store it. That alone would be worth something to many restaurants. I would suggest that before anyone wastes money on one of these kits, that they do some research and find a fairly reliable source of waste oil first. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > There's only one real problem with the idea of "free waste cooking > oil".Restaurants sell their waste oil to recyclers so they are unlikely to [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > > > SMH > From what I have heard, not all recyclers pay for the waste oil, many > actually charge to take it and the restaurants really have no choice but [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > of > waste oil first. That is what I understand. I do know many will take the oil for free if you deliver it to them >> There's only one real problem with the idea of "free waste cooking >> oil".Restaurants sell their waste oil to recyclers so they are unlikely [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> > >> > SMH > From what I have heard, not all recyclers pay for the waste oil, many > actually charge to take it and the restaurants really have no choice [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > anyone wastes money on one of these kits, that they do some research > and find a fairly reliable source of waste oil first. A very close family member is part owner of three local Burger Kings here in Ventura. Yes they do get paid for the waste oil but it's really not that much. With the positive press you'd get for helping with the environment and helping keep us "slightly" less dependent on foreign oil, I would think they would jump at the chance. I'll see. ;-) >> There's only one real problem with the idea of "free waste cooking >> oil".Restaurants sell their waste oil to recyclers so they are [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >>> >>> SMH > > From what I have heard, not all recyclers pay for the waste oil, many > > actually charge to take it and the restaurants really have no choice [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I'll see. ;-) I would suspect that with the high volume of oil that a BK uses, it would be worth it for them to pick it up in those cases. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > There's only one real problem with the idea of "free waste cooking > oil".Restaurants sell their waste oil to recyclers so they are unlikely to > want to give it to you to make biodiesel and households don't really produce > enough to be worthwhile. Not around here! They're apparently all too happy to give it away. The local conversion company actually did a cross country drive to demo their product, stopping at fast food joints the entire route out and back, and it apparently was not problem to get the oil for free. Now of course, if *everyone* was out looking for waste cooking oil, I suspect it wouldn't be long before it wasn't so free! SMH > There's only one real problem with the idea of "free waste cooking > oil".Restaurants sell their waste oil to recyclers so they are unlikely to [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >>SMH Around here we pay to have it taken away. Hmmm. Clay >> I saw on Science channel last week were 2 just out of high school >> kids converted an old Volkswagen diesel van to burn straight used [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Apparently, the engine smells like french fries when running. Damn. I hope I never get behind one. I'll be turning into the first Burger King I see. ;-) > SMH There recently were two stories in the Connecticut press about burning used cooking oil, the first was a woman who was burning waste cooking oil from Chinese restrauants... all positive press The second was two- three weeks ago where a guy in Winsted, CT had converted his VW Bug to burn Waste cooking oil, and a black bear trashed the rear window to get to the oil smell. Picture in the paper showed a car I wouldn't wantto drive tochurch in on Sunday, but he supossedly got great milage when th think heated up and he converted from disel to "french fry oil". The down side is his neighbors complained whenever he came home because everyone ended up smelling like they worked at Bugger King. jem >I saw on Science channel last week were 2 just out of high school kids >converted an old Volkswagen diesel van to burn straight used cooking oil [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > They said they got better performance with the cooking oil. > There recently were two stories in the Connecticut press about burning > used cooking oil, the first was a woman who was burning waste cooking oil [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > jem Could the smell be from the oil not burning hot enough? Or is that just the inherent smell of cooking oil? It would be interesting to see a comparison between used cooking oil and fresh cooking oil. I would think that it is the residual smell from the food that was cooked in the used oil. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > There recently were two stories in the Connecticut press about burning > > used cooking oil, the first was a woman who was burning waste cooking oil [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > inherent smell of cooking oil? It would be interesting to see a comparison > between used cooking oil and fresh cooking oil. Could something like that be filtered out? How small are these particles? I'm sure little bits of potato cant be all that good for the engine. >I would think that it is the residual smell from the food that was cooked >in [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> comparison >> between used cooking oil and fresh cooking oil. I don't think that it has anything to do with particles. Potatoes have oils as well and some of it must leach out into the cooking oil. When I worked at the drive-in as a cook (god that was a long time ago) we had a few deep fryers and the one used for fries could only be used for fries. If you fried anything else in it, it would taste sort of like French fries and the fries afterward would taste like crap until you changed the oil. I would assume many things have oils that will exchange with the cooking oil and you will not be able to get it out but on the good side, many say that it actually smells good unlike diesel SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Could something like that be filtered out? How small are these particles? > I'm sure little bits of potato cant be all that good for the engine. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >> comparison > >> between used cooking oil and fresh cooking oil. Given this country's eating habits... it could be detrimental to the public's health.. since people will be driving along, someone in a fry-oil burner will pass them and then they will want to go get fries. Great marketing for the fast food chains though. >I don't think that it has anything to do with particles. Potatoes have >oils [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >> >> comparison >> >> between used cooking oil and fresh cooking oil. > Given this country's eating habits... it could be detrimental to the > public's health.. since people will be driving along, someone in a fry-oil [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] >>>>>comparison >>>>>between used cooking oil and fresh cooking oil. It definitely smells different. i put B20 in my truck for the first time and not only does it run better it smells better. That's ok. People need to take some responsibility for their own actions, including their eating habits. I myself would rather be following a vehicle running on bio-diesel and wondering what I'm going to have for dinner than being stuck behind one running on conventional diesel and wondering how far up his a.s I could shove that stink bomb he is driving SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Given this country's eating habits... it could be detrimental to the > public's health.. since people will be driving along, someone in a fry-oil [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > >> >> comparison > >> >> between used cooking oil and fresh cooking oil. |
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