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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / June 2005

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'80 D50 Fuel/Carb Problem

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jester_s1 - 22 Jun 2005 04:29 GMT
I just put a new electric fuel pump on my 2.0L (Mikuni Carb) because the
local parts stores did not have the spacer that goes between the
mechanical pump and the head. Now, I have fuel pressure and flow through
the carb and back to the tank, but the engine will not start. I can pour
some gas in the carb and it cranks right up and dies. Any ideas on what's
wrong?
TBone - 22 Jun 2005 05:23 GMT
Exactly how much fuel pressure do you have and why did you replace the pump
to begin with?  It sounds to me like no fuel is flowing into or through the
carb.

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> I just put a new electric fuel pump on my 2.0L (Mikuni Carb) because the
> local parts stores did not have the spacer that goes between the
> mechanical pump and the head. Now, I have fuel pressure and flow through
> the carb and back to the tank, but the engine will not start. I can pour
> some gas in the carb and it cranks right up and dies. Any ideas on what's
> wrong?
jester_s1 - 23 Jun 2005 03:37 GMT
The guy who rebuilt the carb for me said that the reason the truck took so
long to crank when it had been sitting on an incline was that old fuel
pumps lose their seal, allowing the gas to slowly run back down toward the
tank. I don't know how much pressure I have; when I checked the flow, I
held a regular plastic cup and the stream of fuel was hitting the center
from just outside the edge (2-3 inches).
Anything else I need to check?
TBone - 23 Jun 2005 06:43 GMT
How long ago was the carb rebuilt and did the engine ever run after the
rebuild?  Was the engine sitting for any length of time before this problem
came into existence?

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> The guy who rebuilt the carb for me said that the reason the truck took so
> long to crank when it had been sitting on an incline was that old fuel
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> from just outside the edge (2-3 inches).
> Anything else I need to check?
jester_s1 - 27 Jun 2005 04:15 GMT
Carb was rebuilt about two months ago. The truck ran fairly well except for
the hard cranking occasional sputter. The engine did not sit for any amount
of time.
Another friend said that I may have gotten trash in the jets when I
installed the new pump. I blew them out with no change, then he said to
check the float level. According to my Haynes manual, the level should be
787, but according to the way I understand the book that's not possible.
I did get it close, and the truck will run now, but not well at all. It
has very little power and stalls and backfires under load.
Any suggestions for setting float level?
Is this indicative of a vacuum leak too?

Jester
Badger - 27 Jun 2005 11:54 GMT
> Carb was rebuilt about two months ago. The truck ran fairly well except for
> the hard cranking occasional sputter. The engine did not sit for any amount
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>
> Jester

Back firing is always caused by a lean condition. Maybe you should have
a carb rebuilder clean. They have some real mean cleaners and jet
washers. There is a trick that I learned from a junkyard worker.
 I never believed would work until I tried it. You'll need an assistant.
Find or make a tight fitting cover for the top of the carb. I made mine
from the bottom of a motor oil bottle. Rev the engine very high, like
5000 rpm and while holding the throttle wide open, stick the cover on
and don't release throttle until the engine dies.
The huge vacuum effect can actually suck out trash in the all the little
tubes and jets.
MAKE SURE you use something good and tough. I tried my hands one time,
It HURTS, and leaves a big a.s hickey on your hands.

I tried it on an old rover that I had been screwing with and could not
get the fuel right, no power under load. I tried this trick as a last
resort. There was a HUGE difference in the way it ran after that. I've
done this a couple more time on junkyard cars and it really does work
pretty well.

Clay
jester_s1 - 28 Jun 2005 00:00 GMT
Thanks for the tip. I did take all the jets out and the needle and all were
spotless, but I will try that too to make sure there is nothing else in
there.
On setting float height, am I supposed to measure from the top of the
float (if the throttle body is upside down) to the flat of the body, or
from the bottom of the float to the indention where it goes?
Badger - 28 Jun 2005 00:24 GMT
> Thanks for the tip. I did take all the jets out and the needle and all were
> spotless, but I will try that too to make sure there is nothing else in
> there.

It's not the stuff you can remove that's the problem, it's the internal
tubes and vents that are. As to the float height, if you can find a
service manual, it should have a diagram.

Clay

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