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I have a 2003 1500 quad cab with the 5.7 lite hemi. It has been the worst truck I have ever had on fuel. I get if I'm lucky about 12 miles per gallon, I wont buy another dodge after this one. The Hemi is a joke, I mean i can see using alot of gas if it hadpower but i dont see any diffrence between the hemi or the standard v8 >I have a 2003 1500 quad cab with the 5.7 lite hemi. It has been the > worst truck I have ever had on fuel. I get if I'm lucky about 12 miles > per gallon, I wont buy another dodge after this one. The Hemi is a joke, > I mean i can see using alot of gas if it hadpower but i dont see any > diffrence between the hemi or the standard v8 That's your fault. Shoulda did your research before buying and shoulda gone 600 ft lb diesel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > That's your fault. Shoulda did your research before buying and shoulda > gone 600 ft lb diesel That would have been hard to do in '03, and even harder still in a 1/2-ton... >> That's your fault. Shoulda did your research before buying and shoulda >> gone 600 ft lb diesel > > That would have been hard to do in '03, and even harder still in a > 1/2-ton... Not really because the HO 600 ft lb diesel came out in '03 and who said he had to get a 1500? > Not really because the HO 600 ft lb diesel came out in '03 No... the 305HP/555ft.lb. engine, the ISBe, was introduced in '03. (Actually, two versions - a standard output 250HP and a high-output 305HP were introduced in '03 - and if ya really want to split hairs, Cali-emissions states had a 235HP version). These carried through until '04.5, which saw the introduction of the 325HP/600ft.lb. "Cummins 600" engine, which unified the engine offering across all emissions standards, transmission choices, etc. Late-model '05 engines had their torque rating bumped to 610ft.lbs., largely due to a marketing battle with GM and the Duramax. > Late-model '05 engines had their torque rating bumped to 610ft.lbs. makes me just wanna grunt. :-)  SignatureNathan W. Collier http://InlineDiesel.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com >> Late-model '05 engines had their torque rating bumped to 610ft.lbs. > >makes me just wanna grunt. :-) maybe you need more fiber, Nate.. rofl mac Please remove splinters before emailing >>I have a 2003 1500 quad cab with the 5.7 lite hemi. It has been the >> worst truck I have ever had on fuel. I get if I'm lucky about 12 miles [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >That's your fault. Shoulda did your research before buying and shoulda gone >600 ft lb diesel LOL. I got an 03 HO 2500 diesel. When I brought it home I was getting 19 MPG. Fuel around here is sucking because I'm only getting 12.5 to 13 now. >>>I have a 2003 1500 quad cab with the 5.7 lite hemi. It has been the >>> worst truck I have ever had on fuel. I get if I'm lucky about 12 miles [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > getting 19 MPG. Fuel around here is sucking because I'm only getting > 12.5 to 13 now. Everyone I talk to even with older models indicate they get about 20 mpg. Better get yours checked Why such a big deal with the 610 ft lbs? It seems the only people who brag up the Hemi are people who have the Hemi and those who brag up the diesel are those who have the diesel. Now, I was at that crossroad last month. My choice was for a 2500 but what would I choose for the fuel? Here were my pro's and cons for the purchase choice: Diesel: Pros; 1. Better Gas Mileage 2. Higher torque than the hemi 3. Better for highway use Cons; 1. Diesel not much cheaper 2. $7,000 more CDN for truck 3. Higher maintenance cost 4. Seemed sluggish for "in town" driving and not a good "stop and go" vehicle Hemi: Pros; 1. Higher Horsepower than diesel 2. Better for "in town" use 3. Felt more attraction to the HEMI, seemed like a more exciting option. 4. Cost was $6,000 CDN less for truck 5. Power Wagon was only available in HEMI 6. Cheaper maint cost Cons; 1. Gas cost more 2. Worse gas mileage 3. Less torque 4. Not as good as diesel as a "highway runner" Result: I chose the Power Wagon with the HEMI. I did like the diesel but the price and the fact that I wanted the freedom of stop and go driving as well as highway driving. I also wanted the pulling power which I could have got with the diesel but the PW has plenty. I also wanted the fun of being able to "haul a.s" right off the line. I realize that the diesel can be driven in town and the hemi is just fine on the highway but it has been my experience that Gas Hi-Perf vehicles really show their "stuff" off the line and diesels really show their "stuf" on the hwy. This post was just to show my opinion in the course of my purchase > >I have a 2003 1500 quad cab with the 5.7 lite hemi. It has been the > > worst truck I have ever had on fuel. I get if I'm lucky about 12 miles [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Why such a big deal with the 610 ft lbs? > It seems the only people who brag up the Hemi are people who have the Hemi [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > This post was just to show my opinion in the course of my purchase I was faced with a chevy Diesel for cheap... I almost did it... but after thinking about it for the night, and then realizing I drive my truck about 2300-2500 miles a year. I figured it had very little benefit for me.. If I pulled a trailer all the time, then yeah, I would go for it. I just dont have a need for such a big truck, Even the 1500 is too big for my likeing.. I just dont want to park the beast, or navigate LA traffic ether. However... a 4L Diesel in the old Dak body, now THAT is something I would like to get! > Why such a big deal with the 610 ft lbs? > It seems the only people who brag up the Hemi are people who have the Hemi [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > vehicles really show their "stuff" off the line and diesels really show > their "stuf" on the hwy. You must have driven the wrong truck I took out a 05' 3500 with 6 speed and 3.55 rear end for a test drive. Bet that one could take you in the starting line. Not to mention I was on the highway and went from 60 to 80 in mere (~2) seconds while still in sixth gear. > This post was just to show my opinion in the course of my purchase > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ well it looks like geekboy doesn't now what he is taking about and doesnt know much about trucks in general. He uses big words that he must have read in a Dodge OWNERS MAGAZINE AND NOW ALL OF THE SUDDEN HE THINKS HES A MECHANICAL GENIOUS. I have owned trucks from the big 3 Dodge Ford and Chevy.... my opinion the Chevy trucks are the best all around, yes I admit that the styling is getting a littledated but I still think they have the other two beat. Ford, I have nothing aginst but my opinion if you are gonna buy a big truck look a like just buy the f-250 and have it over with, I like the new Ford body style better than the last feminine looking 1997 to 2004 trucks. BUT THATS NOT SAYING MUCH. But as far as fuel economy goes the bulky Ford is nick n tuck with the Dodge. Chevy= better performance, fuel economy and bang for your buck in my opinion. I have a Hemi and its claim of 345 hp....is a joke.....I bet if you put it on a dyno it wouldn't hit 150 hp. Poor fuel economy with sucky performance.. I think the Dodge designers need to go back to school. > well it looks like geekboy doesn't now what he is taking about and > doesnt know much about trucks in general. He uses big words that he must [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > on a dyno it wouldn't hit 150 hp. Poor fuel economy with sucky > performance.. I think the Dodge designers need to go back to school. I have a 2001 Ram 5.9L and a 2004 Durango Hemi 5.7L. The Durango will run circles around my Ram. When I pull my 5000lb trailer again, the difference is night and day. The Hemi is far stronger than the 5.9L. It depends on what people compare it to. It's not a CTD. >> well it looks like geekboy doesn't now what he is taking about and >> doesnt know much about trucks in general. He uses big words that he must [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >difference is night and day. The Hemi is far stronger than the 5.9L. >It depends on what people compare it to. It's not a CTD. And it's also not the Hemi of the muscle car days, just has the name.. if folks are expecting this engine to perform like the real hemi did, they're going to be real disappointed.. YMMV mac Please remove splinters before emailing > well it looks like geekboy doesn't now what he is taking about and > doesnt know much about trucks in general. He uses big words that he must > have read in a Dodge OWNERS MAGAZINE AND NOW ALL OF THE SUDDEN HE THINKS > HES A MECHANICAL GENIOUS. I have owned trucks from the big 3 Dodge Ford > and Chevy.... All that by 18 years old, amazing. Oh, it's genius. Roy > well it looks like geekboy doesn't now what he is taking about and > doesnt know much about trucks in general. He uses big words that he must [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > </body> > </html> Well, my supposedly "weak" hemi stomps all over my last truck, a 295 HP Sierra Z71 Ext cab with 3.73 gears. The ram weighs about 400 pounds more, and beats it by at least .25 seconds in a drag race. Launching it is very difficult, as the rear bounces around, or it smokes the hell out of the tires. The GM trucks have the trans and computer set up so that wheelspin is pretty difficult. Just punch it and go.. It's much stronger than the GM 5.3, and they aren't bad. I would take a 5.3 over the 5.9 Dodge any day, and I owned three vehicles with them. You must not have driven an F150 yet, now that's on the weak side. Most Hemis dyno at about 260-275 at the rear wheels, and that means 345 hp is about right. If the Hemi had the Nissan Titan's trans set up, you would be amazed.. The only real thing I liked more on the Sierra was the gas mileage, and that's still not a big deal.. BDK >> well it looks like geekboy doesn't now what he is taking about and >> doesnt know much about trucks in general. He uses big words that he must [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > You must not have driven an F150 yet, now that's on the weak side. Wait a second. I had a F-150 and it was damn quick. It did say Lightning on the front fenders though.<G> > Most Hemis dyno at about 260-275 at the rear wheels, and that means 345 > hp is about right. If the Hemi had the Nissan Titan's trans set up, you > would be amazed.. So the hemi has 20 more HP that the 05 Cummins 610 > The only real thing I liked more on the Sierra was the gas mileage, and > that's still not a big deal.. What rear gears are in the hemi? Roy > BDK > >> well it looks like geekboy doesn't now what he is taking about and > >> doesnt know much about trucks in general. He uses big words that he must [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Wait a second. I had a F-150 and it was damn quick. It did say Lightning on > the front fenders though.<G> Well, now THAT'S a little different. A neighbor bought a new 04 F150 almost the day they came out and it's slow. The 5.4 is not all that great. We traded trucks one morning and he really liked mine. I liked his too, it was just..slow. > > Most Hemis dyno at about 260-275 at the rear wheels, and that means 345 > > hp is about right. If the Hemi had the Nissan Titan's trans set up, you > > would be amazed.. > > So the hemi has 20 more HP that the 05 Cummins 610 HP, yeah, but a lot less torque and torque is what makes the wheels go round... I had a 79 Trans Am with the Olds 403 in it. Stock, it was weak, but after a cam kit, headers, intake, heads (ported 455 ones), and a recurved distributor, it was a "torque junkie's" dream car. it had throttle response unlike anything I have ever had before or since. Another insane thing was the gears it had, stock it had a 2.41 Posi! After the engine work, I could smoke the tires as long as I wanted to, and after I found a disc braked rear from another car with 3.23, it was amazing, as long as you were very light footed, or the tires spun. Mileage wasn't bad, 14 around town and almost 20 on the highway. It was a VERY scary car to drive when it was raining, I got it out of shape a couple of times just by getting on the gas a touch too much. Some of it was the 70 sized tires, but the speed it ran on the top end of the drag strip showed it was doing fine in the power department. But that throttle hit...my mother drove it once and it scared the crap out of her! I stupidly sold it and still miss it. It was totally reliable except for a mysterious case of "vapor lock" (Hot weather surging and popping) that turned out to be a corked up fuel line. When they started putting injector cleaner in the gas, it solved it after a year + of trying to cure it, and a lot of $$$$. > > The only real thing I liked more on the Sierra was the gas mileage, and > > that's still not a big deal.. > > What rear gears are in the hemi? 3.92 mandatory, if you have 20" wheels. If you have 17" wheels, you get 3.55 standard and 3.92 optional. I wish 4.10's were available, I would have gotten them, the mileage wouldn't really have changed much, if at all. I was shocked how much difference there was from 3.55 to 3.92. BDK > Roy > > > > BDK >> >> well it looks like geekboy doesn't now what he is taking about and >> >> doesnt know much about trucks in general. He uses big words that he [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > great. We traded trucks one morning and he really liked mine. I liked > his too, it was just..slow. They are a little anemic. But they seem to last. >> > Most Hemis dyno at about 260-275 at the rear wheels, and that means 345 >> > hp is about right. If the Hemi had the Nissan Titan's trans set up, you [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > throttle hit...my mother drove it once and it scared the crap out of > her! That was the point I was trying to make further down in this thread. That the torque prduced by my 05 610 with 4:10's requires a light touch of go pedal on dry roads and in the wet a very, very light touch. > I stupidly sold it and still miss it. It was totally reliable except for > a mysterious case of "vapor lock" (Hot weather surging and popping) that > turned out to be a corked up fuel line. When they started putting > injector cleaner in the gas, it solved it after a year + of trying to > cure it, and a lot of $$$$. I know the feeling, the cars we never should have sold. I guess for me it would be a toss up. Many, many years ago a 69 Camaro, with a 427 in it. Had 4:33's in it, the torque was about unmanageble. Made for a hell of a street racer though. Recently, a vette Z06. I guess the Z06 was more practical in that you could do more with it, but for pure rush, I'd have to go with the Camaro. >> > The only real thing I liked more on the Sierra was the gas mileage, and >> > that's still not a big deal.. Agreed. Worrying about mileage when you are driveing a truck, I have never been able to follow. >> What rear gears are in the hemi? > > 3.92 mandatory, if you have 20" wheels. If you have 17" wheels, you get > 3.55 standard and 3.92 optional. I wish 4.10's were available, I would > have gotten them, the mileage wouldn't really have changed much, if at > all. I was shocked how much difference there was from 3.55 to 3.92. I suppose you could look around at a different tire wheel combo to change the hieght and get about the same affect. Or there is always the aftermarket for a gear change. Roy > BDK >> >> Roy >> > >> > BDK > >> >> well it looks like geekboy doesn't now what he is taking about and > >> >> doesnt know much about trucks in general. He uses big words that he [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > They are a little anemic. But they seem to last. Unless they blow a spark plug out of the head. I don't really understand what's going on to make it do that. > >> > Most Hemis dyno at about 260-275 at the rear wheels, and that means 345 > >> > hp is about right. If the Hemi had the Nissan Titan's trans set up, you [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > the torque prduced by my 05 610 with 4:10's requires a light touch of go > pedal on dry roads and in the wet a very, very light touch. I haven't driven one since '00 or maybe 99, and there was enough turbo lag that spinning them accidentally wasn't much of a risk. > > I stupidly sold it and still miss it. It was totally reliable except for > > a mysterious case of "vapor lock" (Hot weather surging and popping) that [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > that you could do more with it, but for pure rush, I'd have to go with the > Camaro. The FIRST car I ever drove, at 14 (around the block) was a 69 or 70 Hurst Olds. My mom's car was being worked on, and they gave it to us as a loner for a week. My dad told me to move it out of the driveway and park it along the curb, but I went around the block in it and then down to the end of the street and back to the house. I wanted that car really bad. When I was 16, my dad was very sick, so I didn't nag him about a car, but after he died, I found car after car I wanted, including my idiot cousin's 70 Roadrunner, that appeared to be better than showroom new at three years old. He was getting married, so he sold it. Without telling me it was going up for sale, even though he knew how badly I wanted it. One morning, this kid I went to school with comes into the parking lot, and I had a bad feeling. I asked him if he bought it from a little guy on so and so street, and he did. It had 15K on it, and was perfect. I had saved enough money to buy anything I really wanted, but my mom had to sign the papers and she kept waiting too long, and they kept getting snatched up. I finally ordered a new 74 Roadrunner and I really wish I would have kept it. I stupidly traded it in on a 77 Dodge Power Wagon, the biggest POS ever built. Funny thing is, as much of a bastard as it was, I miss it too! I see one like it on Ebay once in a while and almost bought one about 6 months ago. I could have swung it. It probably needed a trans, but the engine looked ok and it had zero rust. I kick myself for not buying it, just as a "toy". > >> > The only real thing I liked more on the Sierra was the gas mileage, and > >> > that's still not a big deal.. > > Agreed. Worrying about mileage when you are driveing a truck, I have never > been able to follow. A friend of mine put about 1500 bucks into his Late 90's 318 Ram to get about 1.5 MPG, and a little more power for it. It's still a slug. > >> What rear gears are in the hemi? > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the hieght and get about the same affect. Or there is always the aftermarket > for a gear change. Yeah, but short wheels would sure be ugly.. BDK > Roy > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >> > > >> > BDK >> >> > In article <8555-42CF7BB1-568@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net>, >> >> > HemiDude03 [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > Unless they blow a spark plug out of the head. I don't really understand > what's going on to make it do that. That was a problem that was corrected in the 03-04 truck. As I understand it the added more threads to the head . >> >> > Most Hemis dyno at about 260-275 at the rear wheels, and that means >> >> > 345 [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > a trans, but the engine looked ok and it had zero rust. I kick myself > for not buying it, just as a "toy". Nothing wrong with haveing a few toy's. As long as you remember they are only toy's and nothing more. I know a number of people that will buy a toy and become so anal about it that it ceases to be fun for them. Probably 'cause they couldn't afford it or bought to high. >> >> > The only real thing I liked more on the Sierra was the gas mileage, >> >> > and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > A friend of mine put about 1500 bucks into his Late 90's 318 Ram to get > about 1.5 MPG, and a little more power for it. It's still a slug. Some people just dump money into it without thinking about what the want to accomplish. Falling for the latest and greatest mod. Or the best marketing job or bs performance claim. K$N come to mind here. >> >> What rear gears are in the hemi? >> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Yeah, but short wheels would sure be ugly.. Yup, they would be ugly. Looks like ya gotta go with the r&p change. Have fun! Roy > BDK > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> > >> >> > BDK > >> >> > In article <8555-42CF7BB1-568@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net>, > >> >> > HemiDude03 [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > That was a problem that was corrected in the 03-04 truck. As I understand it > the added more threads to the head It must have been a very weak thread to pop on a non turbo/SC engine. But having seen the dreaded Pinto pointy bolts facing the fuel tank setup myself, nothing Ford does should shock me much. > . > >> >> > Most Hemis dyno at about 260-275 at the rear wheels, and that means [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > and become so anal about it that it ceases to be fun for them. Probably > 'cause they couldn't afford it or bought to high. Yep, I had a friend who bought a 71 Cutlass and threw shovel loads of $$$ into what was at best an only semi desirable car. Finally he got rid of it when offered a more than sane price by someone who had an identical car. > >> >> > The only real thing I liked more on the Sierra was the gas mileage, > >> >> > and [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Yup, they would be ugly. Looks like ya gotta go with the r&p change. Have > fun! You too,, BDK > Roy > > BDK [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >> >> > > >> >> > BDK >>> >> well it looks like geekboy doesn't now what he is taking about and >>> >> doesnt know much about trucks in general. He uses big words that he [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] >Agreed. Worrying about mileage when you are driveing a truck, I have never >been able to follow. Normally I would agree. Before my my Ram, my 2000- Dak suddenly dropped from 18 to 12 highway. When I inquired about it here, I got falmmed because "It's a damn truck! What did you expect!" I expect that something was wrong, which there was. My Ram is doing the same thing now, 19 to 13 on the highway. I know less bout diesels, this being my first one. I'm learning tho. >>> What rear gears are in the hemi? >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >>> > >>> > BDK >>>> > In article <8555-42CF7BB1-568@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net>, >>>> > HemiDude03 [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > thing now, 19 to 13 on the highway. I know less bout diesels, this > being my first one. I'm learning tho. I trimmed it so people wouldn't bitch You can get slammed any time for anything here. What was the solution to the dak's problem? Regards the Ram Is that mt/towing? What year? What trans, rear's. Roy >>>>> > In article <8555-42CF7BB1-568@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net>, >>>>> > HemiDude03 [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Roy Okay I found the year,03 but little else. Is it constantly low at 13? or is it up and down? Are you using the overhead trip thingy or is that by the tankfull? More info? Roy >>>>>> > In article <8555-42CF7BB1-568@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net>, >>>>>> > HemiDude03 [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Roy The trip computer matched the hand calculation within half a gal/mile consistantly. I check it at every fill-up. I thought it might be bad fuel around here at first, but when I travel to Denver for Reserve Duty, I get the same milage from different gas stations. It stays around 13 on average. Sometimes down to 12, sometimes up to 14. All highway driving. I wouldn't think the fuel filter would be clogged by 40k miles, but DC supprises me sometimes. Regular maintenance. Found an AFE High flow air filter when I thought to check that. Swapped it for a new paper one. No effect in milage. I don't feel any loss in power, and the truck still doesn't break speed or downshift when taking Colorado mountain passes. Fuel filter is the next thing I would think to check. I'm at 53k miles on the engine now. I'll need to break out the service book and see if there is a maintenance I missed somewhere. >>>>>>> > In article <8555-42CF7BB1-568@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net>, >>>>>>> > HemiDude03 [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > 14. All highway driving. I wouldn't think the fuel filter would be > clogged by 40k miles, Gotta tell ya, 40K is a long time for a fuel filter change on a Cummins imo. but DC supprises me sometimes. Regular > maintenance. Found an AFE High flow air filter when I thought to > check that. Swapped it for a new paper one. You might want to tighten all the hose clamps on you intake system. Did you buy this truck new? Roy >>>>>>>> > In article <8555-42CF7BB1-568@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net>, >>>>>>>> > HemiDude03 [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > >Roy Thanks, Roy. It had 30K when I bought it back in December. Looked at the Maint Schedule this morning. Calls for a change at 48k; Passed that milage up last month. Up to 53k now. If 48k is too long, how often would you recommend changing that bad-boy out? Jay (aka Twix) >>>>>>>>> > In article <8555-42CF7BB1-568@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net>, >>>>>>>>> > HemiDude03 [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > Schedule this morning. Calls for a change at 48k; Passed that milage > up last month. Up to 53k now. Has this mileage drop just happened, was it gradual, or has it been going on since you bought the truck? If the latter get hold of the previous owner and talk to him, ask what was done to the truck re modifications > If 48k is too long, how often would you recommend changing that > bad-boy out? I change mine at 15K at the most. To some that may be short but between sh.t fuel and lift pump issues I don't want to find myself on the side of the road in the middle of a snow storm. Roy > Jay (aka Twix) >>>>>>>>>> > In article <8555-42CF7BB1-568@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net>, >>>>>>>>>> > HemiDude03 [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] >Roy >> Jay (aka Twix) I pick up a filter last night. I'm going to try and get it installed tonight (if I ever get out of work while there's daylight). <G> >>>>>>>>>>> > In article <8555-42CF7BB1-568@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net>, >>>>>>>>>>> > HemiDude03 [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] >I pick up a filter last night. I'm going to try and get it installed >tonight (if I ever get out of work while there's daylight). <G> Roy I put in the new fuel filter and Milage rose to 15MPG for the first 3 tanks. Two tanks later and I'm down to 11MPG. Anything else you can think of to check before I take it to Chet the mini-moron Dodge tech? I think it may be running a little rich. There is a heavy diesel odor in the air when idling. Much more so than my father's or my friends. >>>>>>>>>>>> > In article <8555-42CF7BB1-568@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net>, >>>>>>>>>>>> > HemiDude03 [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > heavy diesel odor in the air when idling. Much more so than my > father's or my friends. You changed the fuel filter and jumped up to 15mpg. I'd change the filter again and see what ya get. You may have a bunch of crap in the tank. What did the filter look like? Regards the smell of diesel, have you changed the air filter? Tighten all the clamps at inter cooler and turbo. Roy >> Roy I put in the new fuel filter and Milage rose to 15MPG for the >> first 3 tanks. Two tanks later and I'm down to 11MPG. Anything else [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Roy Filter was blacker than me climbing out of a ship's bilge (looking racially incorrect:-P). I'll pull it again and take a look tomorrow. Air filter has 5k on it, didn't look too bad. I've never played with the intercooler and turbo. Any tricks or pitfalls I need to be aware of or watch out for? >>> Roy I put in the new fuel filter and Milage rose to 15MPG for the >>> first 3 tanks. Two tanks later and I'm down to 11MPG. Anything else [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > the intercooler and turbo. Any tricks or pitfalls I need to be aware > of or watch out for? Nah, just check to see that all the hoses and clamps are tight.You may want to think about dropping the tank and having it cleaned if the filter is a mess again. >>>> Roy I put in the new fuel filter and Milage rose to 15MPG for the >>>> first 3 tanks. Two tanks later and I'm down to 11MPG. Anything else [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >to think about dropping the tank and having it cleaned if the filter is a >mess again. I never got around to pulling the filter again... working too many hours. I checked the turbo and intercooler connections while waitin on a buddy at work. They're tight. I did notice some red flaking around the top of the engine block. Radiator fluid. It looks as if there is a seal leaking. I'm guessing that if it's leaking out of the block, it could be leaking in causing the problem. Your thoughts? >>>>> > In article <8555-42CF7BB1-568@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net>, >>>>> > HemiDude03 [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >You can get slammed any time for anything here. What was the solution to the >dak's problem? In regards to the dak, the problem was a clogged fuel filter (in the tank) and damaged pump as a result of a malicious act. Someone dumped a few gallons worth of gravel down the fill pipe with about a dozen raw eggs. It took a jeep mechanic to think to check the tank for "contamination." According do Dodge dealers, nothing wrong on the computer. I asked a Jeep dealer to check fuel pressure at the rail on the engine block with a mechanical gauge because 5 Dodge dealers refused to do it. Sure enough, pressure was low. >Regards the Ram Is that mt/towing? What year? What trans, rear's. > >Roy > Why such a big deal with the 610 ft lbs? > It seems the only people who brag up the Hemi are people who have the Hemi [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > 4. Seemed sluggish for "in town" driving > and not a good "stop and go" vehicle Not to get into a pissin' contest with you but the word "sluggish" imo hardly describes the off the line performance of the 05 Cummins 610. I have one with 4:10's and it accelerates as well as a gas truck, to the point that being overly aggressive at times will spin the tires. Further on wet roads it is a pia with the factory tires, the wife has complained about the wheel spin in the wet. Were you talking about the earlier Cummins powered trucks, I'd sorta agree with you. But with this one, I'm in no hurry to go for a fueling box or larger turbo or exhaust. Not that down the road I won't mess with it, but out of the box there is no real need, again imo. Anyway enjoy your hemi! Roy uhh...common sense here bud. any truck will spin the tires on a wet road. it doesnt take a dragster of a truck to do that! > uhh...common sense here bud. any truck will spin the tires on a wet > road. it doesnt take a dragster of a truck to do that! No sh.t? You missed the point but that's okay. I don't have the Hemi or the Cummins.. so maybe I can be more objective... We tow a 28' trailer (6,000#) with a 99 ram.. 5.9 gas/auto/3.55... it's "ok", but not that good... We took a trip in a 2003 ram 3500 with the Hemi, pulling a 7,000# trailer and weren't very impressed.. not that much different form our truck but a little better on grades.. We've been on 2 trips each riding in a 2001 ford 250 and 2002 ram 2500, both with deisel/auto/4 door, both pulling 5th wheel trailers over 12,000# and we were VERY impressed... Yeah, they were more expensive trucks than ours, but they both averaged about 12 or 13 MPG towing, as opposed to our 8 MPG, and they shortened the trip because they cruised up grades that we struggled up in our truck, and made merging on to the freeway a breeze instead of an ordeal... And, those diesels will be humming along for years after our gasser is recycled into a honda.. YMMV >Why such a big deal with the 610 ft lbs? >It seems the only people who brag up the Hemi are people who have the Hemi [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------ mac Please remove splinters before emailing diesels are stinking junk sounding things. only farmers drive deisels. they soundlike they are ready to fall apart when you start them up. >diesels are stinking junk sounding things. only farmers drive deisels. >they soundlike they are ready to fall apart when you start them up. welcome to the 80's... mac Please remove splinters before emailing > I have a 2003 1500 quad cab with the 5.7 lite hemi. It has been the > worst truck I have ever had on fuel. I get if I'm lucky about 12 miles [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > </body> > </html> The milage is about what I get in my 2003. Sometimes, I can get 13+ around town, if I drive it very, and annoyingly, conservatively. I used to get 14 in my 2000 Sierra Ext cab Z71, but the Ram is much more fun to drive. If you can't tell the difference between the 5.7 and the standard 4.7 V8's, your 5.7 is a dog. I have driven a friend's 04 4.7 and it's way down on power compared to my truck. He regrets getting the 4.7 as the whole 1 MPG more he gets for choosing it doesn't make up for it's lack of power. What size wheels does your truck have? And what gears does it have? 20" wheels or 3.55 gears with the 17" wheels = mistake, IMO. Huge difference on launch. 3.92's and 17" is the way to go. I drove all three combos before I bought. I hated the stock 20" wheels anyway. A lot. The only bitches I have about my truck is the mileage, and the tire noise, which is getting worse all the time. I'm guessing next summer will be time for new tires, even though the originals will still have plenty of tread left. BDK i got a 3.92 axel ratio and 20 inchers. i dont really care for the big bulky things either but when the Dodges have the 17 inch wheels the look like they are too small for the truck and it makes the truck look all clumsy. too me a Dodge with 17 inch wheels looks like shaq o'niel with a size 5 1/2 shoe. i got a 3.92 axel ratio and 20 inchers. i dont really care for the big bulky things either but when the Dodges have the 17 inch wheels the look like they are too small for the truck and it makes the truck look all clumsy. too me a Dodge with 17 inch wheels looks like shaq o'niel with a size 5 1/2 shoe. Think that might be because full size trucks these days are just getting excessively large, while the big three keep competing in the "my truck is bigger then your truck" mind set? > i got a 3.92 axel ratio and 20 inchers. i dont really care for the big > bulky things either but when the Dodges have the 17 inch wheels the look > like they are too small for the truck and it makes the truck look all > clumsy. too me a Dodge with 17 inch wheels looks like shaq o'niel with a > size 5 1/2 shoe. Bigger tires, not bigger wheels are whats needed in my opinion. 20" wheels on Rams makes them look like pimp rides. I don't know why people want to ride on such little rubber. > i got a 3.92 axel ratio and 20 inchers. i dont really care for the big > bulky things either but when the Dodges have the 17 inch wheels the look [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please turn off the HTML when posting. Thanks Clay > i got a 3.92 axel ratio and 20 inchers. i dont really care for the big > bulky things either but when the Dodges have the 17 inch wheels the look [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > </body> > </html> You just need to put some decent sized tires on those 17's and it looks just fine. I think 90% of the 20's made look kinda sissified. There are some great looking ones out there, but they cost a lot and the ones that are fairly within reason, price wise, are heavy as hell. One set I saw on a local truck went for a BASE (they had all kinds of finish options) price of "only" $995 each... They were forged, so they were much lighter than the cast ones like the stockers. BDK I read the subject and thought this post was about some new viagra substitute. > I read the subject and thought this post was about some new viagra > substitute. Arrrrggggg..... That was good! <VBG> Roy >I read the subject and thought this post was about some new viagra >substitute. it might be about the new liquid Viagra, Miles... now, you can pour yourself a stiff one... mac Please remove splinters before emailing I have a 2003 1500 quad cab with the 5.7 lite hemi. It has been the worst truck I have ever had on fuel. I get if I'm lucky about 12 miles per gallon, I wont buy another dodge after this one. The Hemi is a joke, I mean i can see using alot of gas if it hadpower but i dont see any diffrence between the hemi or the standard v8 It still amaze's me that people buy a truck that has the aero of a brick, then to top it off they add a so called hi-performance engine. Then they bitch about poor mileage!! I just don't get it. This guy apparantly has determined that his hemi is lacking in performance. Could it be that he is driveing with his foot to the floor to make it go fast? Hmmm... foot to the floor and poor mileage do ya think there may be a connection? Nah, silly me, no way that type of driveing and shitty mileage could be related. WTF was I thinking of?? Roy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I have a 2003 1500 quad cab with the 5.7 lite hemi. It has been the worst truck I have ever had on fuel. I get if I'm lucky about 12 miles per gallon, I wont buy another dodge after this one. The Hemi is a joke, I mean i can see using alot of gas if it hadpower but i dont see any diffrence between the hemi or the standard v8 It still amaze's me that people buy a truck that has the aero of a brick, then to top it off they add a so called hi-performance engine. Then they bitch about poor mileage!! I just don't get it. This guy apparantly has determined that his hemi is lacking in performance. Could it be that he is driveing with his foot to the floor to make it go fast? Hmmm... foot to the floor and poor mileage do ya think there may be a connection? Nah, silly me, no way that type of driveing and shitty mileage could be related. WTF was I thinking of?? Roy Its a truck, Drive it like a truck, fill it like a truck, use it like a truck, them park it when you dont need it. I do less then 3000 miles a year in my truck. My motorcycle does 1,300 miles a month. My Dak gets about 11-12 MPG, no matter what I do. I accept this because its a truck with a V8, and I like to USE that V8 when ever I can. A tank will last me about a month and a half. Remove The SPOOGE To Reply > I have a 2003 1500 quad cab with the 5.7 lite hemi. It has been the > worst truck I have ever had on fuel. I get if I'm lucky about 12 miles [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > with a V8, and I like to USE that V8 when ever I can. A tank will last me > about a month and a half. Drive it like you sole it. My 98 Ram 318 4x4 gets on the average 15 mpg I feel luck at that and has 150k on it. big power = poor MPG a fact of live. I damn near bought a 2500 with the V-10 that would of really sucked. SignatureCoasty SEMPAR PARATUS (ALWAYS READY) >I have a 2003 1500 quad cab with the 5.7 lite hemi. It has been the >worst truck I have ever had on fuel. I get if I'm lucky about 12 miles >per gallon, I wont buy another dodge after this one. The Hemi is a joke, >I mean i can see using alot of gas if it hadpower but i dont see any >diffrence between the hemi or the standard v8 hmm... maybe you were looking for an economy car?? Our 99 ram 1500 has the 5.9 L gas engine and 3.55 gears... It gets 14 - 15 miles on a trip if you aren't having any fun.. around town, it's probably 9 - 10 mpg... ASAIK, the "hemi" (this ain't your father's hemi) is a towing engine with lots of torque at higher RPM, but it damn sure isn't a dragster engine.. YMMV mac Please remove splinters before emailing I got my new 2005 PW a few weeks ago. At first the gas mileage scared the sh.t out of me (11.8 MPG), then I took it out loaded with the family in it and got 15.8 MPG hwy and 12.6 in town. Not bad considering my 2003 1500 5.9 V8 gets 15.9 MPG hwy and 10.3 in town. I also towed with the PW (27 ft trailer, 5500 lbs) and got 10.1 MPG. These numbers are low but higher than I expected with this massive truck. |
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