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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / July 2005

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am i towing wrong?

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offroader - 21 Jul 2005 23:02 GMT
I have 2003 2500 4x4 5.9 turbo cummins eng.I have a 22' trailer, fully
loaded with bikes water gas its about 9,000lbs. I have problems going
up hills without od.I have a clomplete exhaust and air intake
system.Also how fast can I go with out the overdrive while towing my
trailer..??
miles - 22 Jul 2005 00:28 GMT
> I have 2003 2500 4x4 5.9 turbo cummins eng.I have a 22' trailer, fully
> loaded with bikes water gas its about 9,000lbs. I have problems going
> up hills without od.I have a clomplete exhaust and air intake
> system.Also how fast can I go with out the overdrive while towing my
> trailer..??

How fast are you able to tow up the hills?  If it struggles you might
need to manually downshift.  Out of OD doesn't limit your speed really.
 It's the max RPM's you probably want to keep an eye on as well as temps.
SnoMan - 22 Jul 2005 07:36 GMT
>> I have 2003 2500 4x4 5.9 turbo cummins eng.I have a 22’
>trailer, fully
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>
>How fast are you able to tow up the hills?  If it struggles you might

>need to manually downshift.  Out of OD doesn’t limit your speed
>really.
>  It’s the max RPM’s you probably want to keep an eye on
>as well as temps.

The weak link with any oil burner is EGT but if engine is not chipped
there is little danger of damage on a long sustained pull. Myself I
would limit RPM’s to about 2600 or so on along steady pull I would not
take it to the redline and hold it there. Not that it would really
hurt it but fuel economy will suffer on redline pulls and why bother
just to get up a hill 5 or 10 mph faster when the other side will
still be there when you get there?
Nosey - 22 Jul 2005 09:03 GMT
> The weak link with any oil burner is EGT but if engine is not chipped
> there is little danger of damage on a long sustained pull. Myself I
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> just to get up a hill 5 or 10 mph faster when the other side will
> still be there when you get there?

I think you got it backwards there. Cummins recommends that you operate the
engine ABOVE the peak torque rpm (but below max operating rpm) in full
throttle conditions.

From the Cummins ISB owner's manual:

Do not operate the engine at full throttle operation below peak torque rpm
(refer to engine dataplate for peak torque rpm) for more than 30 seconds.
Operating the engine at full throttle below peak torque will shorten engine
life to overhaul, can cause serious engine damage, and is considered engine
abuse.
Cummins engines are designed to operate successfully at full throttle under
transient conditions down to peak torque engine speed. This is consistent
with recommended operating practices.

Do not operate the engine beyond the maximum engine speed. Operating the
engine beyond the maximum engine speed can cause severe engine damage. Use
proper operating techniques for the vehicle, vessel, or equipment to prevent
engine overspeed.

Check the dataplate on the front of your engine for the peak torque rpm and
the maximum operating rpm. When you are climbing hills you want to be in the
rpm range above peak torque but below maximum engine rpm. You can be at full
throttle for extended periods within this rpm range. If you are below the
torque peak rpm when climbing a hill at full throttle, downshift. You can
drive as fast as you want with overdrive locked out as long as you don't
exceed the maximum rpm.
SnoMan - 22 Jul 2005 21:35 GMT
>> The weak link with any oil burner is EGT but if engine is not
>chipped
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>operate the engine ABOVE the peak torque rpm (but below max operating
>rpm) in full throttle conditions.

That is what I said as 2600 RPM (the limit I set)  is above its torque
peak, not below it. I have driven several commins trucks and know its
power curve well. Regardless of ratings, it has peaked by 2000RPM,
actual below that in a Dodge.  As you increase the RPM near redline,
effeciency drops as pumping losses increase resulting in higher fuel
consumption for the load on it. In my younger years I used to help a
inlaw farm and I always ran tractors a few 100 RPM above rated torque
peak and that way they would slug though tuff spots real good and fuel
consumption was lower too. If you worked it near the redline as my
inlaw did sometimes, it would pull down more in tuff spots and use a
bit more fuel and not sound as "happy" either
Nosey - 23 Jul 2005 09:21 GMT
>>> The weak link with any oil burner is EGT but if engine is not
>>> chipped there is little danger of damage on a long sustained pull.
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> inlaw did sometimes, it would pull down more in tuff spots and use a
> bit more fuel and not sound as "happy" either

My mistake, I was looking at the HP/RPM ratings, not torque.
 
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