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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / August 2005

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liberty CRD vs durango as family vehicle for my wife?

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Christopher  Thompson - 29 Jul 2005 03:41 GMT
alright here's the deal. she's yellin wants a new car. so im lookin at
options the two she likes are the liberty and the durango she wants to have
plenty of seating for our 2 kids one 4 and one 7 months, comfortable for her
to drive to work everyday, she drives 35 min mostly highway. but also wants
to pull the pontoon boat when we go camping (this would increase the number
of times we go as if we decide to take the camper and the boat it means 4
round trips for me and the truck, 2 to go up and 2 to go back) so this is
what im asking..... im looking for input/personal experiance with each what
motor/trans setup would you suggest, pros/cons.

thanks

chris
.boB - 29 Jul 2005 04:40 GMT
Christopher Thompson wrote:

> alright here's the deal. she's yellin wants a new car. so im lookin at
> options the two she likes are the liberty and the durango she wants to have
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>
> chris

     Simply for the towing, it has to be the Dodge.  The Liberty is too small to tow
a pontoon boat safely.
      I'm not a big fan of the Durango, too big, too heavy, too expensive, and to
inefficient.  Have her look at a Dakota; slightly better in those categories.
Although I have to admit I don't much like the styling of the new Dakota.  Also
consider the new Mistubishi Raider - a rebodied Dakota.

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miles - 02 Aug 2005 04:44 GMT
>      Simply for the towing, it has to be the Dodge.  The Liberty is too
> small to tow a pontoon boat safely.

I agree, the Liberty is too small to tow much.

>       I'm not a big fan of the Durango, too big, too heavy, too
> expensive, and to inefficient.

What do you mean?  For towing and seating it's tough to beat the new 2nd
generation Durango with the 5.7L.  I paid $23K for a new 2004 4x4 Hemi
Durango.  The Dakota isn't sold with the Hemi and the 4.7L doesn't get
much better mpg.  We looked at quite a few SUV's before buying the
Durango.  We could not find any 4x4 that could seat 4-7 people
comfortable and tow as well as the Durango for less than the 23K we
paid.  So I'm not sure how the Dakota can do better for less although it
should tow a pontoon boat easily.

  Have her look at a Dakota; slightly
> better in those categories. Although I have to admit I don't much like
> the styling of the new Dakota.  Also consider the new Mistubishi Raider
> - a rebodied Dakota.
JPH - 29 Jul 2005 04:55 GMT
Christopher Thompson wrote:
> alright here's the deal. she's yellin wants a new car. so im lookin at
> options the two she likes are the liberty and the durango she wants to have
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>
> chris

If it was me buying one, it would most likely be the Durango for the
extra room, carrying capacity, and smoother ride.
I was really looking forward to the Liberty CRD, but all the road tests
I've seen say the fuel mileage is much lower than expected (although
that may be because the test vehicles aren't broken in yet) so if you're
thinking of the CRD because of the fuel savings, it may not be as good
as you expect. On the Durango (and Liberty), if you don't carry heavy
loads, the 3.7 might be strong enough for you (also available on the
Liberty) and will probably use less gas than the 4.7 engine, and the
horsepower difference isn't as large as you'd expect based on the engine
being 25% smaller than the 4.7.
The 4.7 gives a little more power, but has a reputation for being
thirsty. The 5.7 in the Durango has the same mileage rating as the 4.7.
I've had the 3.7 in a Dodge Ram (stick shift) and now have the 4.7 in a
Dodge Dakota (auto) and haven't had any problems with either engine.
I liked the 3.7 with stick shift combination best for fuel economy
(available on the Liberty but not with stick shift on the Durango), but
you'll need to verify if that gives a high enough tow rating for you.

    Liberty CRD                Durango
Pros    slightly better fuel mileage        Price compared to CRD
    smaller, easier to park            Larger, more comfort
    high tow rating with CRD        high tow rating with 4.7
    Good off road capability        more rear storage space
    Can attend Jeep Jamborees        highest tow rating
                        5.7 hemi available

CONS    CRD Expensive                lower fuel mileage
    diesel fuel cost more than unleaded    Larger, takes more room
   

John
Nathan W. Collier - 29 Jul 2005 05:08 GMT
> im lookin at
> options the two she likes are the liberty and the durango

the liberty crd isnt the prettyiest girl at the dance, but it is a great
wifey vehicle.  for towing you just cant beat a diesel.  you didnt give any
stats on your pontoon boat, just make sure it weighs less than the crd's
capabilities.  once you go diesel you never go back.

the new restyled durango on the other hand, is amongst the ugliest vehicles
on the road.  older durangos looked great, the newer durango runs great
thanks to the addition of the hemi....to bad you couldnt get the older style
with the hemi.  the hemi can be a blast to drive, but if you tow with the
durango your mileage is going to go from piss-poor to total suck-a.s.

are you open to any other vehicles?

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Christopher  Thompson - 29 Jul 2005 21:40 GMT
ok as far as stats on the boat its a 24 footer on a single axle trailer
dont know how much it weighs but if it helps is a fisher with plywood deck.
it wouldn't let you forget its back there when i had to use my grandfather's
f150 but little notice when behind my v10 2500.

> > im lookin at
> > options the two she likes are the liberty and the durango
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>
> are you open to any other vehicles?
Christopher  Thompson - 29 Jul 2005 23:56 GMT
and yes we would be open to considering other vehicles but at the moment
seems like the 2 she's liking best is the liberty and durango although she
mentions from time to time the chev tahoe.

> > im lookin at
> > options the two she likes are the liberty and the durango
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>
> are you open to any other vehicles?
Nathan W. Collier - 30 Jul 2005 02:09 GMT
> and yes we would be open to considering other vehicles but at the moment
> seems like the 2 she's liking best is the liberty and durango although she
> mentions from time to time the chev tahoe.

if you plan to pull your pontoon boat with it and your pontoon boat gave an
f150 any trouble at all (even a little bit!) then brother youre looking at
the wrong vehicles.  more important than being able to pull it is being able
to control it in an emergency hard steer.  if it "let you know its back
there" on an f150 its most likely going to boss the crd/durango around like
a girly little bitch.
with the big 3 all offering employee pricing you just cant go wrong.  i
would recommend you seriously consider a full size 1/2 ton (minimum)
truck/suv like the expedition/tahoe/suburban/full size van or step on up to
the plate and bring her home a 2500 cummins.  if a new durango is in your
budget, so is a ram.

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JPH - 30 Jul 2005 04:25 GMT
Christopher Thompson wrote:
> and yes we would be open to considering other vehicles but at the moment
> seems like the 2 she's liking best is the liberty and durango although she
> mentions from time to time the chev tahoe.

Since you like camping and want to pull a boat too, have you considered
a Quad cab truck with a pickup based camper? That way you wouldn't need
to make 4 round trips as you mentioned, since you could take the camper
and boat at the same time, and when not camping, you could leave the
camper home.

John
Nathan W. Collier - 30 Jul 2005 06:48 GMT
> have you considered a Quad cab truck with a pickup based camper?

excellent recommendation!  although i use my trailer
(http://inlinediesel.com/trucks/3gen/1/index.html) primarily for work, when
its time to play the trailer becomes a toy hauler for my and the kids 4
wheelers.  i hope to actually be able to take a day off soon so that i can
start pricing slide in campers.

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miles - 02 Aug 2005 04:47 GMT
> the liberty crd isnt the prettyiest girl at the dance, but it is a great
> wifey vehicle.  for towing you just cant beat a diesel.  you didnt give any
> stats on your pontoon boat, just make sure it weighs less than the crd's
> capabilities.  once you go diesel you never go back.

I read a review in our paper here last week on the new Liberty Diesel.
They hated it.  Said it struggled for power and kept over heating.  They
tried two and both over heated on uphill grades.  I'd like to see more
reviews to see if this was just a fluke.
Johnny Thunder - 29 Jul 2005 12:46 GMT
Christopher Thompson wrote:

> alright here's the deal. she's yellin wants a new car. so im lookin at
> options the two she likes are the liberty and the durango she wants to have
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>
> chris

You need a mini van dude!

JAM
Christopher  Thompson - 29 Jul 2005 21:37 GMT
LOL thats what she's wanting to get out of.... we currently have a chev
venture witch has been really good to us. the only thing ive had to do to it
is (of course reg scheduled maint) water pump and intake gaskets

> Christopher Thompson wrote:
> >
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>
> JAM
Johnny Thunder - 30 Jul 2005 13:09 GMT
Christopher Thompson wrote:

> LOL thats what she's wanting to get out of.... we currently have a chev
> venture witch has been really good to us. the only thing ive had to do to it
> is (of course reg scheduled maint) water pump and intake gaskets

You get the mini van, she gets what ever she wants.

That 4 WD is vital when competing for the best parking space at the
mall.

JAM
craig@metronet.com - 29 Jul 2005 14:18 GMT
I am looking for a new vehicle for my gal as well.  I have done quite a
bit of research on the Liberty and I have pretty much decided that we
are going to get it.  You can get a fully loaded Liberty with the
diesel for under 30k right now.

She won't even know it's a diesel ... it is unbelievably quiet.  Why
spend more $$ on the Durango and get poor fuel economy?  Plus, the
diesel will last longer than a gas engine.

Craig C.
Johnny Thunder - 30 Jul 2005 13:10 GMT
> I am looking for a new vehicle for my gal as well.  I have done quite a
> bit of research on the Liberty and I have pretty much decided that we
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>
> Craig C.

Se would be better off in a Subaru.

JAM
Henry - 30 Jul 2005 15:53 GMT
your family and humanity in general would be better off if you went away !

Henry
Badger - 30 Jul 2005 17:56 GMT
> your family and humanity in general would be better off if you went away !
>
> Henry

good one.. did it take you awhile to come up with that or does it come
natural?
SnoMan - 31 Jul 2005 07:36 GMT
"craig" wrote:
>I am looking for a new vehicle for my gal as well.  I have done quite
>a
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>
>Craig C.
The diesel Liberty would be sweet and use about 1/2 the fuel on the
average that a dakota will doing the same chores over the life of the
vehical which can up up to thousands of dollars quickly. As Pontoon
boats are not that heavy unless they are very large and if they are
that big even a 5.7 Durango would struggle with the wind drag of one
that big while getting 7 or 8 mpg while doing it. The diesel Liberty
would tow better because it has the torque at lower RPMs where yo need
it to move the load. THe 5.7 look impressive on paper but with a power
peak of 5400 RPM and a torque peak at 4200 RPM it is greatly over
rated for towing.
miles - 02 Aug 2005 04:52 GMT
> THe 5.7 look impressive on paper but with a power
> peak of 5400 RPM and a torque peak at 4200 RPM it is greatly over
> rated for towing.

I tow with mine and love it.  The torque and HP curves on the hemi are
flatter than you might realize.  It develops quite a bit of torque at
lower RPM's.  Just got back from towing my 5,000lb trailer on a 800
miles round trip.  It tows it with ease even up 6%+ grades.  Not so
great on gas when towing though.
Gene - 30 Jul 2005 14:23 GMT
>alright here's the deal. she's yellin wants a new car. so im lookin at
>options the two she likes are the liberty and the durango she wants to have
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>what im asking..... im looking for input/personal experiance with each what
>motor/trans setup would you suggest, pros/cons.

 I have owned a 1964 dodge pu, a 1978 van, 1965 dodge dart, 1966
Chevy pu, 1974 Grand Prix, 1996 Grand Am and now a 2003 Dodge
Durango...

 All of the above had their drawbacks, but the Durango has somehow
combined all the good and minimized the bad.

 The major plus? Having 3 outlets for electrical units..I can have
decently fresh coffee on caming trips, good radio contact and watch a
bit of entertainment (Although nature does better most of the time)
while relaxing at the campsite.

 I have made more "Friends" also with this vehicle and thus, now have
people willing to join me on camping trips...Good thing I'm not a
serial killer :)
 
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