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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / October 2005CC CLeaner results (was: code 43/P0307 thread)
Miracle stuff. Probably premature to jump for joy, but I did the CC cleaner today and after a 4-hr soak ran the piss out of it. No skeeters for miles... ;) Initially after first start-up and several hard revs while belching clouds of blue smoke we picked up a whole host of new codes; P0300, P0306, P0308, Jeeze. By the way, the engine really sounds neat with the air cleaner off. WHOUMPA..WHOUMPA... (racecar!) Put the air cleaner back on and took it out on the tollway for a 25-mile hard run, $4 bux worth of tolls and multiple WOT upshifts >>BSEG<< Came back into town on the side streets w/multiple stoplights, heavy slow traffic with lots of idling waiting for lights to change, etc. NO CODES! Praise the lord and pass the beer. Arguably too soon to say for sure, but it looks promising. The truck certainly seems to be running better. Film at 11. how much does this miracle marvel snake juice Mopar CC cleaner cost? I have a 97 with 115000 on it and idles kinda rough. (lots of skeeter here two so it could serve 2 purposes) -Jerry > Miracle stuff. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Film at 11. Having to go out of my way as I did, I grabbed 2 cans. I believe I paid $5.75 a can + close to a buck in sales tax. (Welcome to Texas) However, as long as 1 seems to have done the trick, the 2nd can will go into the flammables storage cabinet for another day. Mine too is a '97 5.2 L CC/SLT pickup, but only 80,500 miles on her. Anyone know when we should do the timing belt? Also is the engine interference or non-interference? >how much does this miracle marvel snake juice Mopar CC cleaner cost? I have >a 97 with 115000 on it and idles kinda rough. (lots of skeeter here two so [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >> Film at 11. no belt on the V8. A chain. Not sure when but I am one who usually waits till it jumps teeth. I am bad that way. Not sure on the interference part but the older ones were not. has this changed in these "newer" 318/360s? -Jerry > Having to go out of my way as I did, I grabbed 2 cans. I believe I paid > $5.75 a can + close to a buck in sales tax. (Welcome to Texas) However, as [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >>> >>> Film at 11. >Having to go out of my way as I did, I grabbed 2 cans. I believe I paid >$5.75 a can + close to a buck in sales tax. (Welcome to Texas) However, as [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Anyone know when we should do the timing belt? Also is the engine >interference or non-interference? ' Put over 200K on my first engine and never changed the belt. beekeep These engines have a timing chain, not belt. It is possible to foul the valvetrain if the chain lets go. However, replacing it at about 100k will avoid the problem, and may even return performance to "like new" levels.  SignatureMax Give a man a match, and he is warm for a short while. Light him on fire, and he is warm for the rest of his life. >>Having to go out of my way as I did, I grabbed 2 cans. I believe I paid >>$5.75 a can + close to a buck in sales tax. (Welcome to Texas) However, as [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > beekeep Followup day one. I put approx 66 miles on the truck today. No, not much but unusual for me since my normal daily commute averages 45 miles round trip. Drove over city streets inbound at 6AM. Not much traffic at that hour but still several traffic lights to sit at, 35 in all by actual count. Fortunately we made it through at least 2/3 of those on green. Sitting at the few traffic lights I did manage to catch, the truck felt like it was idling quite smoothly, essentially like new. Went out at lunch and drove downtown into the heart of the city to meet a SWBell fiber tech at another office. An hour later, back to my office. Drove home tonight via the tollway because city driving at 4:30 PM in Houston is maddening and I'm already on blood pressure medication. The last 3 miles between the exit ramp and my driveway was over city streets and 4 lights, all red of course. Back home I'm most pleased to report the OBDII tool reports "PASS" (no codes) Wheeeeeeee!! I have not replaced the plugs yet or changed the oil. Project for this weekend. Question time: The lazy/cheap me wants to know, since the current plugs have less than 5,000 miles on them, is it still recommended or necessary to replace them anyway post CC cleaner application even tho I'm not currently experiencing any more drivability problems or misfires? Thanks!! > Followup day one. > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Thanks!! Dear Lazy/Cheap: Since you have gotten away with the "old" plugs this long, why not try your luck a little longer? I would pull out an "easy" one and take a peek at it though. If it looks good, leave 'em in. Mike > Followup day one. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > traffic lights I did manage to catch, the truck felt like it was idling > quite smoothly, essentially like new. Go down 225 to pasadena. They tore the damn freeway up, literally, and havent been back out for over 2 weeks now to repave it. I almost wrecked my car twice now and have to go the long way (BW8) around to work. I have been getting a P0302 error (cylinder 2) for 3 years now on my '99 4x4 360. I have replaced everything from the plug to the rotor and it never clears. I had the injectors flushed and it left for 200 miles then came back so I am trying the CC cleaner this weekend. I even replaced the injector, no change. Was about to pay a damn dealer to fix so I am glad I read about this. >> Followup day one. >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > change. > Was about to pay a damn dealer to fix so I am glad I read about this. Well, "if" it works for you, you can thank a "damn dealer" for the suggestion..... ;^) Mike Using a borrowed scan tool the past couple weeks. Rolling down the road I picked up some random codes out on the freeway today, P0300 and P0306 but they cleared themselves within 5~10 minutes and did not 'store' nor turn on the MIL. Checked after I got off the road and she reads "PASS". Dunno what to make of the random stuff showing up now. I think I may go ahead and throw another set of plugs at it this weekend. It's only supposed to be 95 out.. God how I love Houston. P0307 is gone. Hopefully it stays away. Hey, speaking of Houston, local Channel 2 (NBC) news had a story on tonight about several FEMA debit cards showing up at some of Houston's titty bars. Both BabyDolls and Caligula bartenders confirm. "LAUWDAAMERCY, WEEZ IS RICH!" "ABE SEZ WEEZ IS FREE! WE DONT EVER HAFTA WORK NO MO!!" Full story and video clip here: http://www.click2houston.com/news/4979639/detail.html > Full story and video clip here: > http://www.click2houston.com/news/4979639/detail.html Read the whole thing, couldn't find anything about work gloves being purchased. I'm pleased to see my tax dollars are being put to good use, supporting pretty young girls! Thanks Bush! >> Full story and video clip here: >> http://www.click2houston.com/news/4979639/detail.html > > Read the whole thing, couldn't find anything about work gloves being > purchased. I'm pleased to see my tax dollars are being put to good use, > supporting pretty young girls! Thanks Bush! After what those folks down in NO went through I don't mind buying them a beer or two. Roy If it does i will! There are only 2 dealerships I trust here in Houston and neither is Dodge, unfortunately. I never doubted they had the knowledge, i just can't stand the markup they charge for simple services and their refusal to give an honest answer, even if its "I dont know". > >> Followup day one. > >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Mike >If it does i will! There are only 2 dealerships I trust here in Houston and >neither is Dodge, unfortunately. >I never doubted they had the knowledge, i just can't stand the markup they >charge for simple services and their refusal to give an honest answer, even >if its "I dont know". I've had good results at Archer Dodge on the SW Fwy. They're not exactly on my beaten trail, but the two times I've had my truck in to them they took care of the problem w/minimal hassle. I also bought it from them. > >If it does i will! There are only 2 dealerships I trust here in Houston and > >neither is Dodge, unfortunately. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > on my beaten trail, but the two times I've had my truck in to them they > took care of the problem w/minimal hassle. I also bought it from them. I might give them a shot at it if the cleaner doesnt work. Well, bad news. The success earlier reported following the CC Cleaner treatment was short-lived. However, symptoms =HAVE IMPROVED= slightly. Now the code 43 (P0307 - cyl #7 misfire) no longer occurs immediately following a reset. I can actually go a day or two, but it =DOES= come back and still P0307. Rats! I'm not sure what that's telling me. I'm thinking about attempting a second treatment and let it sit and soak a while longer (overnight). If it weren't for the hurricane bearing down on us, I do it today. As it is I think I need to leave the truck alone and conserve every drop of that nearly full tank of gas. I'm also becoming inclined to replace the #7 injector. With sales tax it's right at $100 bucks for me to do it, vs what probably would turn out to be a $200 job at the dealer. Still and all, I'm well over a hundred bux into this already. > Well, bad news. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > a $200 job at the dealer. Still and all, I'm well over a hundred bux into > this already. And I thought we got lucky for once....... Before buying a new injector, try moving #7 injector to #5 and run it awhile till the fault comes back. If the fault moves to #5 cyl you know you have a bad injector. If it stays on #7 you saved a hundred bucks and eliminated a possibility. I still have a sneaky feeling a valve is sticking in the guide at times causing the fault. Denny >And I thought we got lucky for once....... Before buying a new injector, >try moving #7 injector to #5 and run it awhile till the fault comes back. If >the fault moves to #5 cyl you know you have a bad injector. If it stays on >#7 you saved a hundred bucks and eliminated a possibility. I still have a >sneaky feeling a valve is sticking in the guide at times causing the fault. Thanks Denny. Just keep in mind that it only happens at low RPM, either decel from 30 mph to a stop and/or else sitting at a light idling in gear. Sitting in the shop idling in gear we could see multiple misfires counting up always on #7. Raise RPM above 900~1000 and the misfires stop. The injector swap is about the last card in my deck. It's just been too freakin' hot to work on it. It was 100 degrees Wednesday, 98 yesterday and 97 today. Maybe the hurricane will cool things off for a while. >>And I thought we got lucky for once....... Before buying a new injector, >>try moving #7 injector to #5 and run it awhile till the fault comes back. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > freakin' hot to work on it. It was 100 degrees Wednesday, 98 yesterday and > 97 today. Maybe the hurricane will cool things off for a while. Refresh my memory a bit, does this only happen after the engine is warmed up? Have you taken a compression check with the engine hot and after cooled off?? Denny >Refresh my memory a bit, does this only happen after the engine is warmed >up? Have you taken a compression check with the engine hot and after cooled >off?? 97 Ram CC/SLT 5.2L 80,800 miles. Compression check was only on a cold engine and showed no probs, all cyls 130 psi or better, cyl 7 was not the highest but was among the higher ones. The dealer (sublet) replaced the CAT and an upstream O2 sensor at approx 65,000. The problem seems limited to occurring only at very low RPM, below 1000, as in when decelerating to a stop and/or sitting idling at a traffic light. Hold your foot on the accelerator pedal to hold idle at or above 1000 and the P0307 won't occur. Engine is up to normal op temp when the event occurs. Doesn't happen immediately at low idle, but will occur sometime within the first minute of an extended idle period. Happens idling in gear as well as idling in neutral or park. 52 psi fuel pressure. The problem has been ongoing for 18-20 months, but initially we didn't realize it was happening only during decel or at low rpm. Also at first flushing the injectors would provide some extended relief, usually several months at a time. We replaced the coil, plugs, wires, rotor, IAC, did TSB 18-48-98 and now the CC cleaner. Unrelated, also replaced battery and air cleaner. Even now whenever the code is cleared the truck runs like a scalded dog, no drivability issues at all, excellent power, smooth shifting and no surging. With P0307 stored it is slightly rough idle and some minor noticeable loss of power. Ok, the compression check was done on a cold engine and it was ok. This will be a bitch but warm the engine up good and retest #7 compression. Compare the warm reading to the cold reading and see if they are still in the same range. I got this sneaky feeling a valve is sticking sometimes. Denny >>Refresh my memory a bit, does this only happen after the engine is warmed >>up? Have you taken a compression check with the engine hot and after [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > surging. With P0307 stored it is slightly rough idle and some minor > noticeable loss of power. >Ok, the compression check was done on a cold engine and it was ok. This will >be a bitch but warm the engine up good and retest #7 compression. Compare >the warm reading to the cold reading and see if they are still in the same >range. I got this sneaky feeling a valve is sticking sometimes. Is it still necessary to pull all the plugs just to retest #7 while it's hot? Just curious here.. what's the going rate these days for a valve job/top end overhaul on the mopar 5.2? >>Ok, the compression check was done on a cold engine and it was ok. This >>will [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Is it still necessary to pull all the plugs just to retest #7 while it's > hot Nope, I'd just do the 4 plugs on that bank. > Just curious here.. what's the going rate these days for a valve job/top > end overhaul on the mopar 5.2? It's been a while since I priced one out but to do both heads is about $1,000 by the time the machine shop gets added on Denny > Is it still necessary to pull all the plugs just to retest #7 while it's > hot? Leave 'em... just pull the ASD and fuel pump relays from the power distribution center. This way, the fuel pump won't run, and the injectors and coil won't fire. >>And I thought we got lucky for once....... Before buying a new injector, >>try moving #7 injector to #5 and run it awhile till the fault comes back. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > freakin' hot to work on it. It was 100 degrees Wednesday, 98 yesterday and > 97 today. Maybe the hurricane will cool things off for a while. Rotsa ruck w/Rita! After things settle down, try one more CC treatment. If you had a LOT of carbon, one treatment may not have been enough... don't spend any more $$ until you try this or do the injector swap as Denny suggested. Mike >Rotsa ruck w/Rita! After things settle down, try one more CC treatment. If >you had a LOT of carbon, one treatment may not have been enough... don't >spend any more $$ until you try this or do the injector swap as Denny >suggested. Thanks Mike. We dodged a big bullet w/Rita. There's still very limited availability of gasoline right now (2:30 PM Sunday) but the major highways coming into the city are all clear. We're hearing reports of major traffic jams along some of the smaller connecting routes that feed into I-10 and I-45. The trick to use the little back roads was a great idea to bypass the bottlenecks and get out of town, but coming back in all the major freeways are wide open and it's the little two lane roads that are jammed up. >Go down 225 to pasadena. They tore the damn freeway up, literally, and >havent been back out for over 2 weeks now to repave it. I almost wrecked my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >trying the CC cleaner this weekend. I even replaced the injector, no change. >Was about to pay a damn dealer to fix so I am glad I read about this. Well no guarantees, but it sure seemed to help my old 97 318 (80k miles). Spray in the full can with the HOT engine idling. It will load up and try to stall out, just give it enough throttle to keep it running until you get the whole can into it then shut 'er off and let it soak. The longer the better, minimum 2 hours, someone here recommended overnight. If you can, clear any codes before cranking it again (idea being for it to be running on all cyls) Then crank it up and rev the piss out of it till the smoke clears then take it for a drive somewhere where you can do several (8~10) wide-open-throttle (WOT) upshifts, i.e., 5000 RPM redline upshifts. I went over to the new Westpark Tollway and blasted off a few times (eastbound at 7:30 PM there was no traffic and more importantly, no cops.) Turned around at the Beltway and repeated it a couple more times Westbound. Still too much Westbound traffic at 7:30p to get any more than a couple in. Good luck Follow-up I repeated the CC cleaner routine again last weekend. While the first dose improved things, the second treatment -seems- to have solved it. This time I also let it sit overnight before cranking it up again. No more P0307 at all in a whole week of in-town driving. For grins I also poured 20 ounces of Techron in the tank. Bottom line is "thanks for the suggestion" - Gee, if only I'd done this 18 months ago ;-) >Miracle stuff. >Probably premature to jump for joy, but I did the CC cleaner today and >after a 4-hr soak ran the piss out of it. No skeeters for miles... ;) >Initially after first start-up and several hard revs while belching clouds >of blue smoke we picked up a whole host of new codes; P0300, P0306, >P0308, Jeeze. >By the way, the engine really sounds neat with the air cleaner off. >WHOUMPA..WHOUMPA... (racecar!) >Put the air cleaner back on and took it out on the tollway for a 25-mile >hard run, $4 bux worth of tolls and multiple WOT upshifts >>BSEG<< >Came back into town on the side streets w/multiple stoplights, heavy slow >traffic with lots of idling waiting for lights to change, etc. NO CODES! >Praise the lord and pass the beer. Arguably too soon to say for sure, but >it looks promising. The truck certainly seems to be running better. >Film at 11. |
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