I need to replace the tires on my 2000 Dakota. The original owner
threw away the OEM tires fairly early on and installed passenger car
tires 20mm larger, I know I'm going back to the standard P215/75R15,
but don't know whether to buy a passenger car tire or what is stated
to be a "truck and SUV" tire.
Looking at Goodyears in both cases. I just wonder if there is really
any advantage to the blockier tread on a Goodyear Tracker, or if its
mostly appearance and they're charging more for the "idea" its a truck
tire.
TheSnoMan - 04 Oct 2005 12:56 GMT
> I need to replace the tires on my 2000 Dakota. The original owner
> threw away the OEM tires fairly early on and installed passenger car
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> mostly appearance and they're charging more for the "idea" its a truck
> tire.
No need for RV tires. If you want best ride and MPG, stick with smooth
car tires.

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Pooh Bear - 04 Oct 2005 14:08 GMT
> I need to replace the tires on my 2000 Dakota. The original owner
> threw away the OEM tires fairly early on and installed passenger car
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> mostly appearance and they're charging more for the "idea" its a truck
> tire.
Are you going to use it off-road ?
If not buy road tyres.
Graham
Ad absurdum per aspera - 04 Oct 2005 15:42 GMT
There are two issues here, both related to whether you use it as a
truck or as a car with a really big trunk.
The LT (light truck) series tires usually have a higher load range than
do the Passenger series. One would expect the tradeoffs to be higher
cost and lower carlike qualities such as handling and noise. If you
drive around with a bed full of construction materials or a heavy
camper and two weeks' worth of hunting and fishing stuff or whatever,
it might be worth your while to consider gross weight.
Either series can be had with a variety of tread styles from
highway-only to significantly off-roadey. When going on bad roads or
none at all, you usually want a blockier, more open tread that looks
like it'd dig into mud for traction and fling it out afterwards. Such
tires also tend to have tougher, straighter sidewalls so you don't kill
'em on sharp rocks and so forth.
Winter performance, if that matters to you, can be harder to tell just
by looking, though if going through deep snow matters to you, a blocky
tread sure helps (this from driving both an S-Blazer with mildly
SUV'ish passenger tires and a new Dakota that still had its OEM
all-terrains in snow last winter -- it made the difference between a
churny, squirmy excursion and just another day at the office). Check
out the ratings in addition to eyeballing them. Of course, if you deal
with serious winter a lot of the time, a set of steel rims and some
snow tires might be in order.
The bottom line on the bottom of your truck: yes, there is a
difference, but which way you want to go (to engineer is to compromise
or specialize) depends on what you mean to do.
Probably most people with pickups and SUVs are fine with a tire in the
passenger series and the highway style -- but there are also numerous
exceptions, and if you're one of the exceptions you wouldn't want to
get stuck (in more than one sense of the word) with a badly wrong tire.
Cheers,
--Joe
edward ohare - 06 Oct 2005 05:11 GMT
>Probably most people with pickups and SUVs are fine with a tire in the
>passenger series and the highway style -- but there are also numerous
>exceptions, and if you're one of the exceptions you wouldn't want to
>get stuck (in more than one sense of the word) with a badly wrong tire.
I don't go off road (occasionally drive into the back yard to haul
firewood) and don't very often load the truck heavily (the back yard
firewood situation being the major exception). However, this is the
third worst snow vehicle I've ever had, although a lot better than the
first and second worst (79 Monza Spyder 305 and 69 New Yorker), so I
was considering perhaps making a selection for better snow
performance.
Ad absurdum per aspera - 06 Oct 2005 19:08 GMT
Okay, it sounds as though you don't need an LT tire and aren't too
concerned about either major ruggedness or serious sand/mud traction.
The question is (since we don't know where you live or whether unplowed
roads or icing are much involved), are you better served by a second
set of dedicated winter tires or an all-season compromise?
You may wish to check out the ratings and the decision guide on
tirerack.com -- they have some interestng prospects in both those
areas.
Cheers,
--Joe
PS. As time goes on, remember that the amount of tread *remaining* as
well as the original qualities and capabilities of the tire will become
a significant factor in dealing with snow and other
compromised-traction conditions.
edward ohare - 07 Oct 2005 10:18 GMT
>Okay, it sounds as though you don't need an LT tire and aren't too
>concerned about either major ruggedness or serious sand/mud traction.
>The question is (since we don't know where you live or whether unplowed
>roads or icing are much involved), are you better served by a second
>set of dedicated winter tires or an all-season compromise?
At minimum the all season tire. I wouldn't consider less than that.
>You may wish to check out the ratings and the decision guide on
>tirerack.com -- they have some interestng prospects in both those
>areas.
Thanks.
Ol' Duffer - 05 Oct 2005 05:06 GMT
> I need to replace the tires on my 2000 Dakota. The original owner
> threw away the OEM tires fairly early on and installed passenger car
> tires 20mm larger, I know I'm going back to the standard P215/75R15,
> but don't know whether to buy a passenger car tire or what is stated
> to be a "truck and SUV" tire.
Independent of tread design:
"P" indicates passenger.
"LT" indicates light truck.
Usually, P tires are 4-ply or 6-ply rated (B or C load range), ride
smooth and balance well. LT tires have stiffer sidewalls, usually
8-ply or 10-ply rated (D or E load range), ride harsher and will
carry more weight. Heavy loads and towing can take advantage of
the stiffer sidewalls and more cord layers might be a little more
puncture resistant. I put P245-75R16's on mine.
Alex Rodriguez - 05 Oct 2005 05:21 GMT
>I need to replace the tires on my 2000 Dakota. The original owner
>threw away the OEM tires fairly early on and installed passenger car
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>mostly appearance and they're charging more for the "idea" its a truck
>tire.
What ever you decide, make sure the tires load rating is enough for the
weight of your truck and a full load.
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Alex
Daniel J. Stern - 05 Oct 2005 12:57 GMT
> I need to replace the tires on my 2000 Dakota. The original owner threw
> away the OEM tires fairly early on and installed passenger car tires
> 20mm larger, I know I'm going back to the standard P215/75R15, but don't
> know whether to buy a passenger car tire or what is stated to be a
> "truck and SUV" tire.
I run passenger tires on my 1989 full-size Dodge Ram D100 pickup, as
specified on the tire placard. You would have to be doing a great deal of
*heavy* hauling with your Dakota before LT tires would begin to become
necessary.
> Looking at Goodyears
Poor choice IMO. That is a main reason why many Mopar owners change for
new tires early in the vehicle's life, is because Goodyears generally tend
to have a high suck factor.
> mostly appearance and they're charging more for the "idea" its a truck
> tire.
Surely not!!!! (Yes)
mac davis - 05 Oct 2005 16:20 GMT
>> I need to replace the tires on my 2000 Dakota. The original owner threw
>> away the OEM tires fairly early on and installed passenger car tires
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>
>Surely not!!!! (Yes)
I just went with Bridgestones on our 01 Dakota.. quieter, better handling and
less expensive than the OEM Goodyears...
mac
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edward ohare - 06 Oct 2005 05:14 GMT
>> I need to replace the tires on my 2000 Dakota. The original owner threw
>> away the OEM tires fairly early on and installed passenger car tires
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>*heavy* hauling with your Dakota before LT tires would begin to become
>necessary.
The Goodyear Tracker is marketed as a truck tire but the smaller
sizes, including the one for my truck, has a P designation not an LT
one.
>> Looking at Goodyears
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Surely not!!!! (Yes)
Heh.
M.J.P. - 05 Oct 2005 13:18 GMT
> I need to replace the tires on my 2000 Dakota. The original owner
> threw away the OEM tires fairly early on and installed passenger car
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> mostly appearance and they're charging more for the "idea" its a truck
> tire.
The only advantage to Goodyear tires is you will have to buy
another set in about 15-20k. Absolute sh.t.
My last 3 new dodges all had Goodyear tires and all had to be
replaced at around 15k.
If you want a good tire go with a BFG. Just my
personal thought on this. MJP.
mac davis - 05 Oct 2005 16:22 GMT
>> I need to replace the tires on my 2000 Dakota. The original owner
>> threw away the OEM tires fairly early on and installed passenger car
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>If you want a good tire go with a BFG. Just my
>personal thought on this. MJP.
we must slow down for more corners or something.. lol
got 42k on the good years... went to replace them and the tire guy said "come
back in about 5,000 miles, after you inflate them" (the outside showed wear, the
middle of the tread was great)..
We changed them anyway, to get rid of the goodyear and go with Bridgestone..
mac
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Gary K. - 06 Oct 2005 02:46 GMT
I'm just now replacing the original equipment tires on my 2001 Dakota
at 49000. If winter weren't coming on I'd wait another 6 months.
Gary K.
Conn.
>The only advantage to Goodyear tires is you will have to buy
>another set in about 15-20k. Absolute sh.t.
>My last 3 new dodges all had Goodyear tires and all had to be
>replaced at around 15k.
>If you want a good tire go with a BFG. Just my
>personal thought on this. MJP.
M.J.P. - 06 Oct 2005 05:01 GMT
> I'm just now replacing the original equipment tires on my 2001 Dakota
> at 49000. If winter weren't coming on I'd wait another 6 months.
>
> Gary K.
> Conn.
I find that very interesting. My truck is an 01 ram quad 4x4.
The factory goodyear tires were wrangler rts P rating.
By the time I hit 15k I didn't even bother rotating them
since there was so little tread left. Rotated before every
5k.
Replaced with BFG Commercial T/A,LT rated, 20k and the tires
look new??????????
What are Good year tires made with recycled Condoms/ rubber?
I wont buy them. The same money I'll get BFG and a tire that lasts.
Just my experience and opinion. MJP.
JPH - 07 Oct 2005 03:08 GMT
>>I'm just now replacing the original equipment tires on my 2001 Dakota
>>at 49000. If winter weren't coming on I'd wait another 6 months.
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> I wont buy them. The same money I'll get BFG and a tire that lasts.
> Just my experience and opinion. MJP.
In most cases there's a trade-off between long lasting and grip. Tires
that use soft compounds have the best wet/dry grip but usually wear out
faster. Tires that use hard compounds usually have reduced wet/dry
grip, but tend to last longer.
Winter tires have great grip, but usually wear out fast.
I usually check the treadwear and traction ratings on the sidewall, they
vary significantly even within the same brand.
This website has a lot of information about tires, and can help you
decide which is best for your purposes; http://www.tires.com/
JPH
Gary K. - 07 Oct 2005 00:49 GMT
I hope you're wrong as I just bought two new Goodyears. The other
two I think will make it through the winter. Could there be
different versions of Goodyears put on new Dodges? Mine is a
Club Cab 4x4 Dakota used mostly on the highway.
Gary K.
Conn.
>I'm just now replacing the original equipment tires on my 2001 Dakota
>at 49000. If winter weren't coming on I'd wait another 6 months.
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>>If you want a good tire go with a BFG. Just my
>>personal thought on this. MJP.
JPH - 07 Oct 2005 03:14 GMT
I have 15,000 on my Wranglers (2004 Dakota Quad Cab 4x2), and they
hardly look like they've been used. I expect at least 40,000 at this rate.
I can't say how they handle in snow or ice, because I haven't seen any
in this part of Oklahoma since I got the truck.
JPH
> I hope you're wrong as I just bought two new Goodyears. The other
> two I think will make it through the winter. Could there be
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Daniel J. Stern - 06 Oct 2005 13:16 GMT
>> Looking at Goodyears in both cases. I just wonder if there is really
>> any advantage to the blockier tread on a Goodyear Tracker, or if its
>> mostly appearance and they're charging more for the "idea" its a truck
>> tire.
> The only advantage to Goodyear tires is you will have to buy another set
> in about 15-20k. Absolute sh.t. My last 3 new dodges all had Goodyear
> tires and all had to be replaced at around 15k. If you want a good tire
> go with a BFG. Just my personal thought on this. MJP.
Agreed on all points.
DS
John S. - 06 Oct 2005 13:09 GMT
> I need to replace the tires on my 2000 Dakota. The original owner
> threw away the OEM tires fairly early on and installed passenger car
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> mostly appearance and they're charging more for the "idea" its a truck
> tire.
I would go with the size and type of tire indicated in the owners
manual. The Dakota 2000 is marketed as a family truck, which means it
is designed for moving people and some of their stuff around, sort of
like a station wagon or small SUV. Unless you want the rugged big
truck look and are willing to put up with the harsher ride and noise of
heavy duty big tread truck tires, just go with the passenger tires
designed for the Dakota. Your passengers will love you for the
decision.