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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / October 2005

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Bigdad - 29 Oct 2005 04:28 GMT
My wife has a 1996 Dodge B3500 Van.  I need to replace the front rotors.
The guy at AutoZone wants to know if it has 4 wheel anti lock brakes or
rear wheel only.  How can I tell?  The owner's manual is of no help.
.boB - 29 Oct 2005 05:16 GMT
> My wife has a 1996 Dodge B3500 Van.  I need to replace the front rotors.
> The guy at AutoZone wants to know if it has 4 wheel anti lock brakes or
> rear wheel only.  How can I tell?  The owner's manual is of no help.

   It's an available option.  Most Dodge trucks have a sticker either under the hood
or in the glove box listing what options were ordered for the vehicle.

    Also, for simple brake pads, calipers, and rotors, it often doesn't matter if
they are ABS or not.  Have the parts guy  (or got to autozone's web site) look up the
 part numbers for ABS and non-ABS.  If they are the same numbers, you're set.

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2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
1965 FFR Cobra - Finally on the Road!

aarcuda69062 - 29 Oct 2005 15:19 GMT
> > My wife has a 1996 Dodge B3500 Van.  I need to replace the front rotors.
> > The guy at AutoZone wants to know if it has 4 wheel anti lock brakes or
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>     the hood
> or in the glove box listing what options were ordered for the vehicle.

And he's supposed to decode that sticker, how?

>      Also, for simple brake pads, calipers, and rotors, it often doesn't
>      matter if
> they are ABS or not.  

It matter if the wheel speed tone ring is part of the rotor hub,
which in the case of RWD vehicles with front ABS is almost always
is.

> Have the parts guy  (or got to autozone's web site)
> look up the
>   part numbers for ABS and non-ABS.  If they are the same numbers, you're
>   set.

Has it occurred to you that AutoZone's computer has already
anticipated that the parts _are_ different and that's why the
counter droid is asking?
.boB - 29 Oct 2005 18:52 GMT
>>>My wife has a 1996 Dodge B3500 Van.  I need to replace the front rotors.
>>>The guy at AutoZone wants to know if it has 4 wheel anti lock brakes or
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> And he's supposed to decode that sticker, how?

    There's no decoding involved.  It's just a list of options.  My truck has one.
>  
>
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> which in the case of RWD vehicles with front ABS is almost always
> is.

    True, in that case it would a different part.  But what about calipers, pads and
hoses?  The only way to know is check the part numbers.  On my Dakota, the ring is
not part of the rotor.  So the rotor is the same for both apps.

>>Have the parts guy  (or got to autozone's web site)
>>look up the
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> anticipated that the parts _are_ different and that's why the
> counter droid is asking?

   Not at all.  For example, go in to just about any parts store and ask for a
voltage regulator for a 1970 Mustang.  They want to know engine size, and carb size
to get to the right reference page.  Although we all know that voltage regulators for
1970 Ford are all the same, regardless of engine or even chassis.

     The counter droid is often just that, a droid who only knows how to use the
computer.  I once went in to get spark plugs.  I asked for a set of Autolite 3294's.
   He insisted on looking it up in the computer, even though I told him it was a
custom app.  After a while I gave up and went to another store.

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2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
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1965 FFR Cobra - Finally on the Road!

aarcuda69062 - 29 Oct 2005 19:21 GMT
> > And he's supposed to decode that sticker, how?
>
>      There's no decoding involved.  It's just a list of options.  My truck
>      has one.

And it distinguishes between RWAL and 4WAL?

> > It matter if the wheel speed tone ring is part of the rotor hub,
> > which in the case of RWD vehicles with front ABS is almost always
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>      pads and
> hoses?  

Hoses can easily be different since many times they have the
added bracketry for the wheel speed sensor wiring.  Calipers and
rotors can be different also if the ABS package is bundled in
with wheel size options.

> The only way to know is check the part numbers.  On my Dakota, the
> ring is
> not part of the rotor.  So the rotor is the same for both apps.

Your Dakota is 4X4.  Big difference in architecture between  
Dakota 4X4 and a RWD B van.

> > Has it occurred to you that AutoZone's computer has already
> > anticipated that the parts _are_ different and that's why the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> regulators for
> 1970 Ford are all the same, regardless of engine or even chassis.

Unfair to compare what gets a part for a 35 year old car to
something more current.

>       The counter droid is often just that, a droid who only knows how to use
>       the
> computer.

Agree 100%, but that -is- the program and he's (the droid) not
often in a position to do something about it.

> I once went in to get spark plugs.  I asked for a set of Autolite
> 3294's.
>     He insisted on looking it up in the computer, even though I told him it
>     was a
> custom app.  After a while I gave up and went to another store.

I feel very fortunate that there are no AutoZoo's in this
immediate area.
Bigdad - 29 Oct 2005 15:46 GMT
> It's an available option.  Most Dodge trucks have >a sticker either
>under the hood
>or in the glove box listing what options were >ordered for the vehicle.

No Stickers

>    Also, for simple brake pads, calipers, and
> rotors, it often doesn't
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> part numbers for ABS and non-ABS.  If they are
> the same numbers, you're set.

It's not simple rotors.  The rotors are part of the hub assembly and the
one for front wheel anti loock brakes cost about twice as much.
Marsh Monster - 29 Oct 2005 05:53 GMT
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rjstewart55@yahoo.com (Bigdad)
wrote:

My wife has a 1996 Dodge B3500 Van.

I need to replace the front rotors.

The guy at AutoZone wants to know if it has 4 wheel anti lock brakes or
rear wheel only.

How can I tell? The owner's manual is of no help.

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Easy proof.....

There will be an electrical wire on both front brakes, running down
behind the spindle and
rotors.....attached to sensors.  

No wires....
No sensors....
No 4 wheel ABS

~;~
MarshMonster
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Bigdad - 29 Oct 2005 16:27 GMT
> Easy proof.....

> There will be an electrical wire on both front
> brakes, running down
> behind the spindle and
> rotors.....attached to sensors.  

> No wires....
> No sensors....
> No 4 wheel ABS

You're right!  There are no wires.

Thanks everyone!
Coasty - 29 Oct 2005 11:04 GMT
> My wife has a 1996 Dodge B3500 Van.  I need to replace the front rotors.
> The guy at AutoZone wants to know if it has 4 wheel anti lock brakes or
> rear wheel only.  How can I tell?  The owner's manual is of no help.

Does your dash have an anti-lock lamp that comes on and goes off when you
start it.  Just take the VIN to the $tealer they can let you know.

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Tom Lawrence - 29 Oct 2005 21:16 GMT
> Does your dash have an anti-lock lamp that comes on and goes off

That doesn't tell you anything.  My '95 with RWAL has the same ABS light
that a truck with 4WABS would have.

Easiest way to tell is to look for the sensor wire along the front brake
line as suggested - which the OP has done and determined he doesn't have
4WABS
 
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