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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / December 2005accident report
see http://inlinediesel.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=121 for pictures. my wife had just left a stop sign and was driving approximately 30mph in a 35mph zone on a city street. a truck pulling out of a bank parking lot somehow "didnt see" my wife in her quad cab long bed 1 ton truck and he t-boned her. my wife and the kids are all fine, my son who was sitting at the door that got directly whacked never even stopped playing his video game. as you can see the door is crushed, the bed is crushed, and the pillar that goes between the back of the door and the bed is also crushed. to say im "angry" would be an understatement. her truck that stickered for nearly $45,000 has just been devalued. when it comes time to trade or sell, carfax will show its been wrecked and you know what that does to the value of a vehicle. what i really dont understand is that the highway patrolman didnt write the driver of the other truck a ticket for anything. it was clearly his fault, he claimed the sun was in his eyes (although my wife had headlights on due to dusk setting in!), he impacted her truck, yet he didnt get a ticket? the reason this concerns me is that im afraid this will hurt our ability to collect from his insurance company, or does this really even matter? i called the highway patrol who told me that they dont determine the fault of an accident....told me that was a misconception about their role. is there something different about montana law or is it that way everywhere? im also wondering what my realistic rights are here. the pillar between the door and the bed cannot be replaced, and i dont want to continue making a $700 payment on a truck thats been bondo'd. i have an appointment to see an attorney, but am wondering now what i can expect. i know accidents happen but were it not for [b]his[/b] negligence our truck wouldnt be smashed now. Nathan W. Collier http://InlineDiesel.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com > see http://inlinediesel.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=121 for pictures. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the door that got directly whacked never even stopped playing his video > game. Glad to hear the family is okay. > as you can see the door is crushed, the bed is crushed, and the pillar > that goes between the back of the door and the bed is also crushed. to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > role. is there something different about montana law or is it that way > everywhere? Cop could have cited for a number of things, but chose not to for some reason. Point of impact usually tells the story. It does in your case. Your truck was clearly more than half way through the intersection, no damage to front fender or door. > im also wondering what my realistic rights are here. the pillar between > the door and the bed cannot be replaced, and i dont want to continue > making a $700 payment on a truck thats been bondo'd. They can put in a new panel and pillar I believe. > i have an appointment to see an attorney, but am wondering now what i can > expect. i know accidents happen but were it not for [b]his[/b] negligence > our truck wouldnt be smashed now. Each state has differnt regs. The attorney can shed more light on it. Roy > Nathan W. Collier > http://InlineDiesel.com > http://UtilityOffRoad.com > http://7SlotGrille.com > http://BighornRefrigeration.com > Glad to hear the family is okay. many thanks. this is exactly why my wife is driving a 1 ton truck instead of the cute-ute that she originally wanted. > Cop could have cited for a number of things, but chose not to for some > reason. my insurance company said its irrelevant. looking at the pictures and reading the accident report, my insurance company assured me that fault is not in question so the ticketing is apparently irrelevant. > Point of impact usually tells the story. It does in your case. Your truck > was clearly more than half way through the intersection, no damage to > front fender or door. wasnt even an intersection of streets, it was a parking lot driveway that he came through without stopping. Nathan W. Collier http://InlineDiesel.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com No one was injured. Why do you need an attorney? What law did he break? Did he run a stop sign? Did he run a red light? Was he speeding? If the police did not witness any broken laws or the accident, it is unlikely that they would issue a summons. No one likes bondo. Unless the truck is totalled or you are willing to sell it, get used to it. The pillar has minimal damage that can repaired. Why do you want a new one? Unless you are willing to pay the difference, neither insurance company is required to replace a repairable part. The bank won't care what condition your truck is in. They will still want their payment. I'm pretty sure there is no bondo exclusion in your loan agreement. The sun is usually more of a problem at dawn and dusk. It if was noon and the sun was overhead, the sun is a non-issue. Sorry to sound pesimistic, but accidents happen. Your insurance company should provide you with an attorney if there is any litigation. Why do you have one already? You paid a premium for your insurance company's help during an accident. Ask them these questions. There's no reason to hire an attorney of your own. > No one was injured. Why do you need an attorney? depreciation compensation. you ever try to tell/trade a vehicle thats been wrecked? > What law did he break? failure to yield? > Was he speeding? speeding in what sense? for the highway speed limit, no. the impact occured where the driveway meets the street, and its determined that he was running an estimated 35 mph. obviously he didnt stop (unless a truck with a loaded 8-horse trailer can accelerate from 0 to 35mph in 5 feet). i dont drive 35 mph through bank parking lots, and dont consider it reasonable for others to either. > No one likes bondo. Unless the truck is totalled or you are willing to > sell it, get used to it. and this is why im seeking the advice of an attorney. i will not pay for bondo. it didnt have bondo on it when i bought it, and im not going to settle for it now due to HIS negligence. why should i have to live with bondo due to HIS negligence? > The pillar has minimal damage that can repaired. Why do you want a new > one? Unless you are willing to pay the difference, neither insurance > company is required to replace a repairable part. the door and the bed can both be unbolted and replaced. the pillar cannot be replaced without being frankensteined. > The bank won't care what condition your truck is in. They will still > want their payment. I'm pretty sure there is no bondo exclusion in your > loan agreement. i never said i was going to default on my loan. i said i wasnt going to pay for bondo. this is why im getting an attorney. if bondo is "no big deal" then surely they wont mind taking the truck for themselves and reselling it. they can take the hit, i wont. > You paid a premium for your insurance company's > help during an accident. Ask them these questions. There's no reason to > hire an attorney of your own. ill certainly consider a fair depreciation offer. otherwise ill get it through the courts. im not looking for unjust compensation, only realistic loss compensation. nobody is grabbing their neck crying whiplash or asking for one dime of "pain & suffering" (this despite my wife is in moderate pain in her back, but feels it will pass). im only trying to prevent eating depreciation due to the negligence of someone else. my brother bought a new suburban last year. less than a month later a car ran a light and smacked them. $4800 later the truck was repaired and when he attempted to trade it, the truck was devalued an estimated 30% due to having been wrecked. had he gotten an attorney he could have recovered depreciation compensation.....since he didnt, hes stuck with a truck he no longer wants because he owes WAY more on it than it will sell for now thanks to the negligence of someone else. this is why im trying to protect my interests now. my insurance company said to let them see what they can resolve before i seek outside counsel, but consultations are free. Nathan W. Collier http://InlineDiesel.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com If the attorney is free, then I see why you're going that route. If you want to get reimbursed for depreciation, I'm guessing that a litigation on your own will be the only way. I'm sure that insurance policies have language to prevent them from having to litigate depreciation because if they didn't, everyone involved in accidents would be seeking depreciation compensation. Good luck with this nightmare. John > if they didn't, everyone involved in accidents > would be seeking depreciation compensation. doesnt that seem reasonable? i know accidents happen, but why should i suffer the depreciation as a result of the negligence of someone else? i buy insurance to cover my f.ck-ups.....so does he. he f.cked up, and one way or another i wont be the one to lose out as a result. im not worried about frivvolous crap......just my reasonable depreciation as a direct result of his negligence.  SignatureNathan W. Collier http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://InlineDiesel.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com > doesnt that seem reasonable? i know accidents happen, but why should i > suffer the depreciation as a result of the negligence of someone else? No............... because it is doubtful if you will have any depreciation if any at all. You're just pissed and making a mountain out of a mole hill. Jerry > No............... because it is doubtful if you will have any depreciation > if any at all. You're just pissed and making a mountain out of a mole > hill. so you would pay just as much for a truck that had been wrecked as you would pay for a truck that hadnt been wrecked? sorry, i dont buy it. if youre shopping for a truck and find two identical trucks (its really not that hard to do) with one having been wrecked and one not, youre going to buy the one that hasnt been wrecked even if the repairs are perfect (assuming both trucks are in great shape otherwise). SignatureNathan W. Collier http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://InlineDiesel.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com >>No............... because it is doubtful if you will have any depreciation >>if any at all. You're just pissed and making a mountain out of a mole [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > that hasnt been wrecked even if the repairs are perfect (assuming both > trucks are in great shape otherwise). Nate, my father was a body and fender repair man all his life. If the repair is done correctly it will be just as strong if not stronger than the original. Instead of a pillar that is spot welded you will have one with a continuous weld and you will not be able to find the weld. With todays vehicles most shops don't even use bondo. They cut and weld in complete new panels or replace the entire section. Bondo is for the back yard mechanic. Yes, if the repair is done properly I would buy a previously wrecked vehicle if it was the truck I was looking for. Jerry > Nate, my father was a body and fender repair man all his life. If the > repair is done correctly it will be just as strong if not stronger than > the original. as a welder myself, i understand what youre referencing. what concerns me more than the repair is the damage (and the expected depreciation that will surely follow). > if the repair is done properly I would buy a previously wrecked vehicle if > it was the truck I was looking for. but would you buy it if it were parked beside an identical truck that hadnt been wrecked for the same price? when i shop for trucks (and i buy a lot of trucks) the first thing i look at is the carfax. if any damage at all is listed im done looking at that truck. regardless of condition or price, i dont buy vehicles that have been wrecked. i have little faith in repairs. i hate bondo, panels dont line up or match, the paint fades at different rates, creaks/moans, etc. SignatureNathan W. Collier http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://InlineDiesel.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com > but would you buy it if it were parked beside an identical truck that hadnt > been wrecked for the same price? In all the previous years I have shopped and traded vehicles I have never seen two bumper to bumper identical used vehicles sitting side by side on a lot. What are the odds............ and do you really think the lot is going to mark a vehicle down even if you do use carfax, which I don't. No they won't because they know the vehicle is just as sound as the one that wasn't wrecked. If you want to be concerned about repairs, forget about the metal work. It is the electrical and computer system you need to worry about after a wreck. Besides, I haven't bought a used vehicle since 1982. Jerry > In all the previous years I have shopped and traded vehicles I have never > seen two bumper to bumper identical used vehicles sitting side by side on > a lot. todays shopper doesnt limit his search to a single lot. todays shopper uses the internet (i know this as ive sold many vehicles on autotrader.com) where he can directly compare exact vehicles. SignatureNathan W. Collier http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://InlineDiesel.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com >> No one was injured. Why do you need an attorney? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >drive 35 mph through bank parking lots, and dont consider it reasonable for >others to either. Maybe that trailer and load kept him from being able to stop. <snip> >ill certainly consider a fair depreciation offer. otherwise ill get it >through the courts. im not looking for unjust compensation, only realistic >loss compensation. nobody is grabbing their neck crying whiplash or asking >for one dime of "pain & suffering" (this despite my wife is in moderate pain >in her back, but feels it will pass). im only trying to prevent eating >depreciation due to the negligence of someone else. Even if your wife thinks it will "pass", IMO, you would be a fool not to, at the very least, document this pain by a visit to either a doctor or the ER. My wife got rear-ended while sitting at a stop light. It wasn't a severe crash, but enough that she did suffer some neck pain. She ignored it. Eventually her condition got worse and it was hell going back to get the other driver's insurance company to pay. IIRC, she ended up going through workman's comp insurance to cover medical treatments. She was working at the time of the accident. That was 23 years ago, she is still suffering from the damage done in that tiny little accident and it's contiuned to worsen. <snip> >Nathan W. Collier DJ > Maybe that trailer and load kept him from being able to stop. which would further demonstrate his level of negligence. > Even if your wife thinks it will "pass", IMO, you would be a fool not > to, at the very least, document this pain by a visit to either a > doctor or the ER. she an ICU RN and while at work tonight, she plans on getting checked out. > That was 23 years ago, she is still suffering from the damage done in > that tiny little accident and it's contiuned to worsen. ouch........sorry to hear it. youre lucky she was able to get it in under workmans comp. any dealings ive had with workmans comp (for my employees) has always been like dealing with the IRS.....you can just feel their evil. :-) SignatureNathan W. Collier http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://InlineDiesel.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com > occured where the driveway meets the street, and its determined that he > was running an estimated 35 mph. Nate, if he T-boned your wife's truck doing 35MPH, I am _SERIOUSLY_ impressed at the level of damage. > loaded 8-horse trailer can accelerate from 0 to 35mph in 5 feet). So now we're talking a 35MPH impact from a, what, 20,000lb vehicle? Either he was going far slower than that, or you got one of the rare armor-plated COMBATT Rams :) > Nate, if he T-boned your wife's truck doing 35MPH, I am _SERIOUSLY_ > impressed at the level of damage. im just going by the highway patrols statements that they base on load, skid marks, etc. his estimated speed was 30-35 and my wifes estimated speed was 25-30 which my wife verified. SignatureNathan W. Collier http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://InlineDiesel.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com >>Nate, if he T-boned your wife's truck doing 35MPH, I am _SERIOUSLY_ >>impressed at the level of damage. > > im just going by the highway patrols statements that they base on load, skid > marks, etc. his estimated speed was 30-35 and my wifes estimated speed was > 25-30 which my wife verified. They may have been going 35 at the time they applied their brakes, but it sure doesn't look like the damage to your vehicle was caused by a vehicle going 35 at the time of impact! Did they write those estimates in their police report? That would surprise me because they don't normally go to the expense and trouble of calculating estimated speed unless a fatality was involved. It takes a lot more to estimate speed than just measuring skid marks. For an actual assessment they need to weigh the load, check the brakes on the tow vehicle and trailer, measure the tread, take tire samples, check the air pressure in the tires, check the air temperature, humidity, and check the friction quotient of the asphalt or driveway surface if they want it to hold up in court. They don't normally do that for fender-benders. Of course nowadays they would just get a search warrant in a fatality case and obtain the actual speed from the vehicle computer. John > Did they write those estimates in their police report? i dont know, it will be 10 days before i can access the report. the 30-35mph estimate was given to me by the highway patrolman over the phone. SignatureNathan W. Collier http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://InlineDiesel.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com > They may have been going 35 at the time they applied their brakes, but > it sure doesn't look like the damage to your vehicle was caused by a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > asphalt or driveway surface if they want it to hold up in court. They > don't normally do that for fender-benders. You're absolutely correct. A unloaded 1/2 ton truck traveling 20 mph will skid approximately 25 feet in a panic stop. If this truck had a trailer hooked to it then skid marks will tell absolutely nothing as far as his actual speed. Especially if he only had a few feet to skid anyways from a parking lot entrance into the traffic lane. Tom pointed that out in his first post but decided to change his tune when it was time for lets f.ck with Tbone again. With my truck I have a dead spot on the passenger side from the side mirror and several times I have almost pulled out in front of someone when the timing was just right. It could be just what it is....... a accident and calling the other guy a moron when you don't really know the circumstances is stupid. The only thing some of you people are interested in here is just another stupid pissing thread with as usual Max leading the charge. Grow up............ Jerry > The only thing some of you people are interested in here is just another > stupid pissing thread with as usual Max leading the charge. Grow > up............ Indeed, grow up Jerry. As usual you, among others, overstate the amount that I post on this newsgroup. Secondly, I posted in reply to someone who obviously had no idea of how things might actually be. Third, Nate has genuine concerns, and whether you believe them to be logical or not, its clear your reply (just making a mountain out of a molehill?) was meant to stir things up, not help him with his concerns. If you are going to bitch at somone for behaving a certain way, its best to be sure you don't do exactly what you are complaining about. SignatureMax Give a man a match, and he is warm for a short while. Light him on fire, and he is warm for the rest of his life. >> They may have been going 35 at the time they applied their brakes, but it >> sure doesn't look like the damage to your vehicle was caused by a vehicle [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Jerry >>The only thing some of you people are interested in here is just another >>stupid pissing thread with as usual Max leading the charge. Grow [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > If you are going to bitch at somone for behaving a certain way, its best to > be sure you don't do exactly what you are complaining about. You don't see me jumping into threads posting bullshit that I know is wrong just to keep a pissing match going on and that is just what you do on a constant basics. Any time, night or day, all anyone has to do is log on here and it is the same old crap between you and Tbone and lately Tom Lawrence who by the way seemed to avoid that petty crap in the past. Nate has a right to be upset about a accident that could of injured his family but all it is going to cost him now is the loss of his truck for awhile while being repaired but his concerns about depreciation is a mountain out of a mole hill. You fix the truck and go on.... nothing more and nothing less. Don't give me this crap about looking in a mirror as you are involved in every thread that is a bitch thread and you know it. Grow up............. > You don't see me jumping into threads posting bullshit that I know is > wrong just to keep a pissing match going on and that is just what you do > on a constant basics. And ya don't see me doing that on a constant basis either. Yet, as you complain about it, here you are, bitching again about something that is so insignificant as to be a "mountain out of a mole hill." > Any time, night or day, all anyone has to do is log on here and it is the > same old crap between you and Tbone and lately More bullshit. You have a vivid imagination, or just don't really read that much. > Tom Lawrence who by the way seemed to avoid that petty crap in the past. Yeah, well, some days its just fun to slam the idiot around, especially when ya can't see his face and take pity. > Nate has a right to be upset about a accident that could of injured his > family but all it is going to cost him now is the loss of his truck for > awhile while being repaired but his concerns about depreciation is a > mountain out of a mole hill. I disagree, and thats why I posted. While you are correct in some of what you say, you forget that the general buying public doesn't know all that you know. As such, it is legitimate for Nate to be concerned about resale value. In fact, its an astute businessman that not only knows about it, but covers his a.s on such matters. > You fix the truck and go on.... nothing more and nothing less. Don't give > me this crap about looking in a mirror as you are involved in every thread > that is a bitch thread and you know it. Grow up............. Proof of what I have said is in your idiotic reply. Go ahead, have the last word, then shut the f.ck up. SignatureMax Give a man a match, and he is warm for a short while. Light him on fire, and he is warm for the rest of his life. >>>The only thing some of you people are interested in here is just another >>>stupid pissing thread with as usual Max leading the charge. Grow [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > involved in every thread that is a bitch thread and you know it. Grow > up............. > Go ahead, have the last word, then shut the f.ck up. Awww.... poor little man. Now he is resorting to high school tactics to try and get the last word in.... grow up Max. Jerry > Awww.... poor little man. Now he is resorting to high school tactics to > try and get the last word in.... grow up Max. You've proven me correct three times. I rest my case. SignatureMax Give a man a match, and he is warm for a short while. Light him on fire, and he is warm for the rest of his life. >> Go ahead, have the last word, then shut the f.ck up. > > Awww.... poor little man. Now he is resorting to high school tactics to > try and get the last word in.... grow up Max. > > Jerry >>Awww.... poor little man. Now he is resorting to high school tactics to >>try and get the last word in.... grow up Max. > > You've proven me correct three times. I rest my case. LOL...... here he is again..... poor baby. Your chain is getting longer and longer there Max. Grow up...... Jerry >>>The only thing some of you people are interested in here is just another >>>stupid pissing thread with as usual Max leading the charge. Grow [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >wrong just to keep a pissing match going on and that is just what you do >on a constant basics. while i don't necessarily disagree with some of what you have said jerry, for crying out loud, that is exactloy what you did here and what you have doing lately when you decide to post. you jump in and post bullshit that is only going to stir things up again. if you slow down a bit, and relax, you'd be able to see that nate was pissed and wanted some other people's opinion of what happened. some gave good advise and some went off on the holy grail route. doesn't seem like all that big a deal really. and for tbone and max, that does get a little old, but it just seems to be their calling. i try to stay out of that. max really does like to bait tom, and tom has the rare ability to constantly jump into areas where he has no knowledge and tell people what to do. tom pretty much ends up in the sh.t with everyone. he has some good advise if he would just learn to stay in areas that he knows what he is talking about, he would do much better. i am pretty sure that he is on a few other forums that i read (that is why i keep asking if he is t_bone from arizona) because the comments are so similar and he ends up in the sh.t with everpyone there too. it is interesting though that the onlly time i see you here anymore is when you blast in all pissed off, pitching sh.t on people, because they pitched sh.t on people. just saying jerry. >Any time, night or day, all anyone has to do is >log on here and it is the same old crap between you and Tbone and lately [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >mirror as you are involved in every thread that is a bitch thread and >you know it. Grow up............. > while i don't necessarily disagree with some of what you have said > jerry, for crying out loud, that is exactloy what you did here and > what you have doing lately when you decide to post. you jump in and > post bullshit that is only going to stir things up again. Lately......... I doubt I've made more than a little over a dozen posts this entire year. > if you slow > down a bit, and relax, you'd be able to see that nate was pissed and > wanted some other people's opinion of what happened. And I said that very same thing that Nate had a right to be pissed but as in most of the times Nate had already made up his mind and was merely venting steam. I simply thought he was making the issue larger than it needed to be. Max is a bonafide f.cking a.shole, always has been and always will be. If he isn't crying about something in his personal life he is engaged in stretching out long pissing threads. Take a look at this one for example.... he is burning up because he can't have the last word like some little 2nd grader which is his MO. Jerry > Max is a bonafide f.cking a.shole, always has been and always will be. I'm sure will say otherwise, and hopefully, you'll never know that I'm not. I get the distinct inpression that having you call me a f.cking a.shole, among other things, is a an honor not to be taken lightly. In other words, for someone of your stature to say that of me just proves I'm doing just fine. > If he isn't crying about something in his personal life he is engaged in Exactly what have I "cried" about in my personal life? Ya know, this is just one more in a long string of crap you've posted making claims that you can't substantiate. > stretching out long pissing threads. Yeah, long pissing threads to which you delight in adding posts. You just don't get it. This place is not only a good resource for some kinds of info, but also amusement. The more crap you post, the more amusing you become. > Take a look at this one for example.... he is burning up because he can't > have the last word like some little 2nd grader which is his MO. I don't need the last word. In fact, I think its funny that you feel the need to have it. See, if you keep replying, I've reached my goal. Feel free to reply to this as well. If you post something that leads me to believe another verbal poke in the ribs will get you going again, I'll probably do it. See, the reality is, I'd like for YOU to have the last word. Go ahead Jerry, prove either that you are a decent gentleman, and shut up. Or post again, and reaffirm your ability to post stuff that just isn't grounded in reality. SignatureMax Give a man a match, and he is warm for a short while. Light him on fire, and he is warm for the rest of his life. >> while i don't necessarily disagree with some of what you have said >> jerry, for crying out loud, that is exactloy what you did here and [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Jerry > I don't need the last word. In fact, I think its funny that you feel the > need to have it. Yes you do. You prove that every time you start arguing with someone else. And you don't think it is funny at all but it is funny watching you do a slow burn trying to make excuses over it. Do I need the last word.... not really but it is kind of fun watching you jump through the hoop I throw up and even funnier that you are to stupid to realize what is happing. yank...yank...yank. I realize whats going on Jerry, but do you? I've led you into exactly what you claim you never do, and I've gotten you to whine about getting the last word in. I've offered you the chance to prove me wrong, but you keep jumping. Its all yours..... can you resist? SignatureMax Give a man a match, and he is warm for a short while. Light him on fire, and he is warm for the rest of his life. >> I don't need the last word. In fact, I think its funny that you feel the >> need to have it. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > hoop I throw up and even funnier that you are to stupid to realize what is > happing. yank...yank...yank. > I realize whats going on Jerry, but do you? I've led you into exactly what > you claim you never do, and I've gotten you to whine about getting the last > word in. I've offered you the chance to prove me wrong, but you keep > jumping. > > Its all yours..... can you resist? Oh horseshit...... I've seen you try to make those same moronic statements to others in a attempt to have it your way. It won't work sh.t for brains so look for another way out....... yank..yank..yank. >> Its all yours..... can you resist? > > Oh horseshit...... I've seen you try to make those same moronic statements > to others in a attempt to have it your way. It won't work sh.t for brains > so look for another way out....... yank..yank..yank. My way out is to stop yanking your chain. You are the one that locked yourself into making sure I didn't get the last word. I told you to go ahead and take it, or to just stop posting, but you are determined to make sure I don't get the last word. So now, if you don't answer, you look like the fool (at least in your mind), because I'll have beaten you at YOUR game by getting the last word. And if you do answer, I just poke ya again, and the game goes on. Thats right Jerry, you are so smart, you created your very own "Catch 22", and put yourself in the middle. Hell, I thought you were smarter than that, but thats the way it goes. But no one else cares if you answer or not. Not even me. I think its amusing that you've caught yourself in this little spin. The only one that will think you lost if you stop replying is YOU.... ok, so maybe Tbone will think you lost..... and maybe some casual observers..... I dunno, maybe even they will think you finally got wise. But you cannot resist.....so you'll reply to keep me from "winning". Whatever. Your turn. SignatureMax Give a man a match, and he is warm for a short while. Light him on fire, and he is warm for the rest of his life. >> I realize whats going on Jerry, but do you? I've led you into exactly >> what you claim you never do, and I've gotten you to whine about getting [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > to others in a attempt to have it your way. It won't work sh.t for brains > so look for another way out....... yank..yank..yank. >>>Its all yours..... can you resist? >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Whatever. Your turn. You actually believe I'm replying to you............ you really are the stupid fool............ No maxipad I'm just interested in seeing how big a fool you really are. And yes you do care if I answer..... you're doing a slow burn right now because there is no way out for you. You see maxi I don't really give a damn what people think of me on this ng..... I stopped posting here a long time ago. You on the other had consider this your only world inside you already cramped little world and you do care. So post away maxie.............. eventually You'll start crying just like you did when you were fired as a teacher..... or was when also fired as a tutor... oh that's right, you cried on here during both periods......... you are so stupid. yank, yank, yank.... > You actually believe I'm replying to you............ you really are the > stupid fool............ LOL, nah, it has nothing to do with the fact that you click the "Reply to newsgroup" button on my posts....LOL > No maxipad Maxipad? Jeez, not only is that worn out, its pretty much the second grade crap you complained about. > I'm just interested in seeing how big a fool you really are. Maybe you should try asking difficult questions instead of creating a no win situation for yourself. > And yes you do care if I answer..... No, I really don't. I have some spare time to burn while doing laundry over the weekend. Keep answering, or I'll find something else to amuse me, like Halo 2 or something. > you're doing a slow burn right now because there is no way out for you. LOL. DUH. No way out? You are familiar with the off button, right? See Jerry, I don't give a damn what you think of me, nor do I figure what anyone else on here thinks of me matters too much. Ok, maybe there are a couple, but they already know me offline. So Jerry, the way out for me is to hit the off button. Just like it is for you. I offer you the chance to just walk away, and you keep replying.... all because you don't want me to get the last word. Meanwhile, since you keep replying, you keep doing what you accused me of doing. > You see maxi I don't really give a damn what people think of me on this > ng..... I stopped posting here a long time ago. Really? Why is it we could look up your record on almost any NG search and find that you post at least monthly? And if you stopped, why is it I've been able to get you to post not only several times, but almost everytime I've posted. Jerry, if you stopped posting, you would have stopped. I hate to state the obvious, but clearly you don't get it. > You on the other had consider this your only world inside you already > cramped little world and you do care. Really? wow.... I wasn't aware my world was so cramped..... what makes it so cramped? Do I need counseling? > So post away maxie.............. eventually You'll start crying just like > you did when you were fired as a teacher..... Wow, another chapter of my life I was apparently unaware of, please tell me more, and point to a source. I'm intrigued that I was fired as a teacher, since I don't recall that happening. See Jerry, the more you type, the more you make stuff up, and the more you look silly. Remember, you need proof that I was fired as a teacher. > or was when also fired as a tutor... oh that's right, you cried on here > during both periods......... you are so stupid. yank, yank, yank.... Really? I'm sure you have proof of this. Post it, I'm sure its amusing, just like you. GO JERRY!!!! SignatureMax Give a man a match, and he is warm for a short while. Light him on fire, and he is warm for the rest of his life. >>>>Its all yours..... can you resist? >>> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > tutor... oh that's right, you cried on here during both periods......... > you are so stupid. yank, yank, yank.... > Max is a bonafide f.cking a.shole, always has been and always will be. I'm sure will say otherwise, and hopefully, you'll never know that I'm not. I get the distinct inpression that having you call me a f.cking a.shole, among other things, is a an honor not to be taken lightly. In other words, for someone of your stature to say that of me just proves I'm doing just fine. > If he isn't crying about something in his personal life he is engaged in Exactly what have I "cried" about in my personal life? Ya know, this is just one more in a long string of crap you've posted making claims that you can't substantiate. > stretching out long pissing threads. Yeah, long pissing threads to which you delight in adding posts. You just don't get it. This place is not only a good resource for some kinds of info, but also amusement. The more crap you post, the more amusing you become. > Take a look at this one for example.... he is burning up because he can't > have the last word like some little 2nd grader which is his MO. I don't need the last word. In fact, I think its funny that you feel the need to have it. See, if you keep replying, I've reached my goal. Feel free to reply to this as well. If you post something that leads me to believe another verbal poke in the ribs will get you going again, I'll probably do it. See, the reality is, I'd like for YOU to have the last word. Go ahead Jerry, prove either that you are a decent gentleman, and shut up. Or post again, and reaffirm your ability to post stuff that just isn't grounded in reality. SignatureMax Give a man a match, and he is warm for a short while. Light him on fire, and he is warm for the rest of his life. >> while i don't necessarily disagree with some of what you have said >> jerry, for crying out loud, that is exactloy what you did here and [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Jerry > Tom pointed that out in his first post Yes, I did - because the way it was worded ("the accident occurred where the driveway meets the street, and it's determined that he was running an estimated 35MPH") sounded like it was determined to be a 35MPH impact. > but decided to change his tune when it was time for lets f.ck with Tbone > again. No - I changed my tune (if you want to call it that) when Nate clarified that the HP officer stated (on a phone call - meaning he had time to do some analysis) the initial speed was estimated at 30-35MPH based on the load of the truck and the length of the skid marks. My problem with T-Bone was his statements to the effect of, "you can't place blame on the other driver, because you weren't there, so you don't know what happened". Unless Nate's lying about the details of the accident location (highly unlikely), or lying about the statements the Highway Patrol made to him (again, pretty unlikely), it's hard to imagine a scenario where the other driver ISN'T at fault. > With my truck I have a dead spot on the passenger side from the side > mirror and several times I have almost pulled out in front of someone when > the timing was just right. As have I. But - have you ever pulled into oncoming traffic from a parking lot at 30+ MPH? That's the part that categorizes the other driver as a "moron". Add in the part about the fully loaded horse trailer, and it's even more puzzling why a reckless (let alone careless) driving citation wasn't issued. Putting myself in that situation, I can't imagine a scenario where I don't pull to the end of the driveway, and either come to a stop, or at least a creep, look, and then pull out. Even if I don't see the oncoming truck, no WAY am I pulling out onto the road fast enough to impact the side of the truck that much. Nate - can you take some pics of the area that this happened (if you haven't already?) > > As have I. But - have you ever pulled into oncoming traffic from a parking > lot at 30+ MPH? No I haven't and common sense tells you that wouldn't be a easy thing to do coming out of a parking lot making a 90 degree turn pulling a horse trailer..... and if he hit her broadside he never even got into the turn.......think about it. > That's the part that categorizes the other driver as a > "moron". If it were true.... but my experience is people with horses, assuming he had any aboard are very cautious in how they turn and brake and even when there are no animals aboard they seem to drive in the same manner with their trailer. There is to much missing from this story to make a judgment like this. > Add in the part about the fully loaded horse trailer, and it's > even more puzzling why a reckless (let alone careless) driving citation > wasn't issued. Maybe because it was not the situation as described and no I'm not calling Nate a liar but he could have his information all turned around. You know the Police officer could have been flat wrong. Just how long do you think skid marks would be with the 20,000 pound total weight at 35 mph you mentioned? I'd say a good 50-60 feet and to me that would mean he skidded all the way across the highway into the parking lot across the street before making contact, unless of course the trailer had brakes, locked up and over lapped the truck marks??. Come on Tom, use some logical thinking here. > Putting myself in that situation, I can't imagine a scenario > where I don't pull to the end of the driveway, and either come to a stop, or > at least a creep, look, and then pull out. Even if I don't see the oncoming > truck, no WAY am I pulling out onto the road fast enough to impact the side > of the truck that much. Me either which leads me to think he probable never braked at all until just before impact which would result is the damage that resulted because of the force from the weight of his vehicle and load. It still places the fault with the driver of the other vehicle but a moron it does not make without better information. Most states believe it or not usually have a speed limit of 10 mph in parking lots and certain residential zones where there are children, at least the one's I've lived in so why wasn't he issued a citation for speeding......maybe because he wasn't going that fast? Jerry > common sense tells you that wouldn't be a easy thing to do coming out of a > parking lot making a 90 degree turn pulling a horse trailer not a 90 degree turn at all. there is a one way driveway coming in, and and a one way driveway going out, both are angled. if it will make a difference i can go take a picture of the driveways. SignatureNathan W. Collier http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://InlineDiesel.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com >>common sense tells you that wouldn't be a easy thing to do coming out of a >>parking lot making a 90 degree turn pulling a horse trailer > > not a 90 degree turn at all. there is a one way driveway coming in, and and > a one way driveway going out, both are angled. if it will make a difference > i can go take a picture of the driveways. Thought you said she (your wife) was on the street and the other driver was coming out of a parking lot. Doesn't he have to turn left or right? If it was a angled collision then it could be even easier for the truck and trailer not to see on coming traffic properly or make a misjudgment in speed and flow, especially if he was under the impression your wife was getting ready to enter the parking lot. Sounds like it was what it probable is...... a accident. Jerry > Thought you said she (your wife) was on the street and the other driver > was coming out of a parking lot. Doesn't he have to turn left or right? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > getting ready to enter the parking lot. Sounds like it was what it > probable is...... a accident. Yup, sounds like it was an accident, it was the other guy's fault, and that Nate has legitimate concerns. Just keep proving me correct Jerry, its amusing that way. Even more interesting that the people you attacked in your rant can both justify what they were saying, but you won't rebut the argument. You just whine about how much you think we post, and why you think we post. Better check which end of that chain you are on. SignatureMax Give a man a match, and he is warm for a short while. Light him on fire, and he is warm for the rest of his life. >>>common sense tells you that wouldn't be a easy thing to do coming out of >>>a parking lot making a 90 degree turn pulling a horse trailer [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Jerry >>Thought you said she (your wife) was on the street and the other driver >>was coming out of a parking lot. Doesn't he have to turn left or right? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Better check which end of that chain you are on. The difference stupid is you and a few others in your usual moronic mode was attempting to spin the guy somehow was a moron that had purposely caused the accident. You're not correct about any thing maxipad, and you very seldom are....... if you just go back in every post I made you will see I called it a accident a long time ago. Proved you correct my a.s........now go run to mommy little man/boy and tell her that big bad Jerry is not letting you have the last word and you probable won't be able to sleep tonight because the boogie man will get you. f.cking retard...... pullllllllllllllllll > The difference stupid is you and a few others in your usual moronic mode > was attempting to spin the guy somehow was a moron that had purposely > caused the accident. More bullshit. I never said the guy did it on purpose. > You're not correct about any thing maxipad, and you very seldom are....... More bullshit. > if you just go back in every post I made you will see I called it a > accident a long time ago. I never said you didn't. > Proved you correct my a.s........now go run to mommy little man/boy and > tell her that big bad Jerry is not letting you have the last word and you > probable won't be able to sleep tonight because the boogie man will get > you. f.cking retard...... pullllllllllllllllll LOL, remember, if you are yanking the chain, you got a good hold on it yourself. Since you want me to pull, I must be yanking your chain? Whatever. You amuse me. Please, have the last word. Make it a good one, or I shall taunt you a "second time". SignatureMax Give a man a match, and he is warm for a short while. Light him on fire, and he is warm for the rest of his life. >>>Thought you said she (your wife) was on the street and the other driver >>>was coming out of a parking lot. Doesn't he have to turn left or right? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > to sleep tonight because the boogie man will get you. f.cking > retard...... pullllllllllllllllll > Thought you said she (your wife) was on the street and the other driver > was coming out of a parking lot. Doesn't he have to turn left or right? yes, but its not a 90 degree turn. > If it was a angled collision then it could be even easier for the truck > and trailer not to see on coming traffic properly or make a misjudgment in > speed and flow, especially if he was under the impression your wife was > getting ready to enter the parking lot. sorry, i dont buy it. every day hundreds of people use that same driveway and they have the sense to know when to stop. it doesnt matte anyway, youre still supposed to stop when traffic is coming. > Sounds like it was what it probable is...... a accident. well i know he didnt do it on purpose, but it was still due to his negligence. an "accident" to me is swerving to miss a dog and hitting another car. choosing not to stop before exiting a parking lot onto a very busy city street is negligent at best. SignatureNathan W. Collier http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://InlineDiesel.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com > choosing not to stop before exiting a parking lot onto a very > busy city street is negligent at best. Bullshit......... the local WalMart where I live has no stop sign or a painted stop on the pavement at their exit before the street and I exit there all the time without stopping first. Why should I.... there is a clear view of traffic at least a 100 feet in both direction before even getting to the exit and that view is 500-600 feet on both sides of the road. So if there is no traffic for several hundred feet on the road before the exit why should anyone stop. I doubt there is a single person around this NG that has never done the same thing. It doesn't really matter Nate and like I said before I understand your frustration and right to be mad because your truck has been wrecked but you're picking at straws now. Jerry >> choosing not to stop before exiting a parking lot onto a very busy city >> street is negligent at best. > > Bullshit......... the local WalMart where I live has no stop sign or a > painted stop on the pavement at their exit before the street and I exit > there all the time without stopping first read what i said again. i said choosing not to stop before exiting a parking lot onto a VERY BUSY city street. if nothing is coming there is no reason to stop, but this street in question is very busy. its the only street in and out of a residential area with thousands of residents. my wife said there were cars directly in front of her and directly behind her. its wasnt an issue of would he hit a car, so much as which car would he hit. now i wasnt there to see this, but i trust fully in what my wife tells me. this is an issue of negligence at best. SignatureNathan W. Collier http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://InlineDiesel.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com Why should I.... there is a > clear view of traffic at least a 100 feet in both direction before even > getting to the exit and that view is 500-600 feet on both sides of the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Jerry > read what i said again. i said choosing not to stop before exiting a > parking lot onto a VERY BUSY city street. Then we will just have to disagree Nate. There are times when a slow roll towards a exit and then merging into the flow of traffic is safer than trying to build up speed from a dead stop. If you have ever done a lot of driving in California then you would know that is the only safe way to move into traffic out there. That doesn't mean you never stop but it is not always necessary. I wasn't there and your description of what happened will never be crystal clear to me or anyone except to yourself. Thats just the nature of the beast when trying to explain something in words that you have visioned in your mind. Just like I did and most likely everyone else after being involved in a accident you are going to fume about it right up to the day you get your truck back from the shop. After that it will just be a memory. > Then we will just have to disagree Nate. Jeez, yer gonna let Nate do what he thinks is necessary?? Wow, thats truly generous of you. > There are times when a slow roll towards a exit and then merging into the > flow of traffic is safer than trying to build up speed from a dead stop. I'm betting one of those times isn't while the sun is in your eyes and an 7500# truck is sitting in front of you. > If you have ever done a lot of driving in California then you would know > that is the only safe way to move into traffic out there. Yup, but Nate is in Montana. See, not the same: M-O-N-T-A-N-A C-A-L-I-F-O-R-N-I-A > That doesn't mean you never stop but it is not always necessary. I'll bet its necessary when a 7500# truck is sitting in your way and the sun is in your eyes...... > I wasn't there Damn, you either? I thought from some of the responses, yours included, that you all knew better than Nate what happened. > and your description of what happened will never be crystal clear to me or > anyone except to yourself. I think some of us got enough of it to understand that the other driver was a fault, and Nate is justified in looking out for his interests. And get this.... We figured that out the first time he posted. Feel free to reply....... remember the chain has two ends. SignatureMax Give a man a match, and he is warm for a short while. Light him on fire, and he is warm for the rest of his life. >> read what i said again. i said choosing not to stop before exiting a >> parking lot onto a VERY BUSY city street. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > fume about it right up to the day you get your truck back from the shop. > After that it will just be a memory. >>Then we will just have to disagree Nate. > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Feel free to reply....... remember the chain has two ends. wow........ he's on a roll now..... mommy............ Jerry still won't leave me alone. mommmmmmy. Still answering for someone else I see....LOL............ poor baby...... yank, yank, yank.....LOL > wow........ he's on a roll now..... mommy............ Jerry still won't > leave me alone. mommmmmmy. Still answering for someone else I > see....LOL............ poor baby...... yank, yank, yank.....LOL See Jerry, my humor is more..... thought out. Its more like someone aged 25 or older. Not like a little kid on the playground whining. Go ahead, answer, because you know you can't resist. SignatureMax Give a man a match, and he is warm for a short while. Light him on fire, and he is warm for the rest of his life. >>>Then we will just have to disagree Nate. >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > leave me alone. mommmmmmy. Still answering for someone else I > see....LOL............ poor baby...... yank, yank, yank.....LOL >> wow........ he's on a roll now..... mommy............ Jerry still won't >>leave me alone. mommmmmmy. Still answering for someone else I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Go ahead, answer, because you know you can't resist. LOL.......... I don't intend to resist stupid....... This is starting to become fun now. Look at my last couple posts, you've answered within minutes. You're sitting at the key board drooling all over yourself. You have no other life except this ng. Mommmmy Jerry is still here. Help meeeeee........ > LOL.......... I don't intend to resist stupid....... This is starting to > become fun now. Look at my last couple posts, you've answered within > minutes. You're sitting at the key board drooling all over yourself. You > have no other life except this ng. Mommmmy Jerry is still here. Help > meeeeee........ Yeah, I'm sitting here doing bills, and I see you are answering right away too. When I leave the desk to swap out the laundry, there will be a few minute break. Feel free to get some coffee or a snack. But don't forget to answer. And by golly, make damn sure you get the last word in. SignatureMax Give a man a match, and he is warm for a short while. Light him on fire, and he is warm for the rest of his life. >>> wow........ he's on a roll now..... mommy............ Jerry still won't >>> leave me alone. mommmmmmy. Still answering for someone else I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > have no other life except this ng. Mommmmy Jerry is still here. Help > meeeeee........ > Yeah, I'm sitting here doing bills, and I see you are answering right away > too. When I leave the desk to swap out the laundry, there will be a few > minute break. Feel free to get some coffee or a snack. But don't forget to > answer. And by golly, make damn sure you get the last word in. Still worried about that last word maxipad. BTW maxipad fits you very well, that's why so many people use it.... learn to live with it. Hey maxiepad.... remember this post from 6 years ago? "MAX340 Aug 5 1999, 1:00 am show options Newsgroups: alt.autos.dodge.trucks From: max...@aol.comQ (MAX340) - Date: 1999/08/05 Subject: Re: A satisfied Ford owner... Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse >If you were my English >teacher. It would be fair to correct me, but your *snot*! Better get your tissue, cuz I was ALL OVER that post...... As far as teaching, I am sure I carry more credentials regarding teaching than you could possibly imagine. >If that's all you can rebut about my post, you are lame. Sorry, it wasn't a rebuttal. It was a deliberate attempt to get you pissed off and riled up. It worked splendidly. >English wasn't my best subject. Can you tell? I bet Social Studies wasn't either. Max Nothing has changed in your life in the last 6 years has it maxipad.....You're still the same dumb jerk of a a.shole as before, except maybe that you are now having to do your own laundry. Very interesting going back and reading those old post and how you argued with Roy, Sandman, Gary, Budd, and just about..... no with everyone in the same manner as now and you used the same stupid moronic and childish tactics in trying to have the last word. Think you'll ever grow up maxipad. Oh, don't worry about JPH's post.... you must have missed the part where he said MOST states but then that is your style......LOL.....yank,yank.yank. > Still worried about that last word maxipad. BTW maxipad fits you very > well, that's why so many people use it.... learn to live with it. Hey > maxiepad.... remember this post from 6 years ago? Nope, never was worried about the last word Jerry. That was soemthing you decided you weren't gonna let me have. Thats fine, but I'm gonna make you work at it, just for the hell of it. I guess I remember that post, barely..... it was from '99, so I figured it was water over the dam. I never really tried to remember them all. BTW, for you yanking my chain, you seem to have time to go on wild goose chases as assigned by me. I'm not sure what that post proves, what were you intending by digging it up? > Nothing has changed in your life in the last 6 years has it > maxipad.....You're still the same dumb jerk of a a.shole as before, except > maybe that you are now having to do your own laundry. You sure are obsessed by my life.... "dumb jerk of an a.shole" wow, that would be profound, only its not profound. Its just kinda silly. And I've been doing my own laundry for..... 30 years? I dunno, obviously you've put more thought into my laundry than I have. > Very interesting going back and reading those old post and how you argued > with Roy, Sandman, Gary, Budd, and just about..... no with everyone in the > same manner as now and you used the same stupid moronic and childish > tactics in trying to have the last word. Yeah, when I disagreed, I did argue. Hell, Budd and I have talked on the phone, and even exchanged philosophical/theological ideas and discussion. Gary's been a good source of info and assistance when I got stuck on things I neversaw before. But the real thing is, I never tried to have the last word. This time, I'm just doing it to prick you. You brought it up, you whined about it, and you have claimed it as a prize, so I'm making you work for it. So I'm an a.shole in your opinion. Great, I'm an a.shole thats having an amusing time. > Think you'll ever grow up maxipad. Oh, don't worry about JPH's post.... > you must have missed the part where he said MOST states but then that is > your style......LOL.....yank,yank.yank. I grew up. See, I post rebuttals, not grade school name calling. Yeah, I know he said most states, but I bet if you look, you'll find all states require that you yield right of way or stop at an intersection. Feel free to prove me wrong. Feel free to try for the last word again. You might get it this time, its getting late. But there is always tomorrow. BTW, I missed that proof that I got fired as a teacher. Feel free to post that. SignatureMax Give a man a match, and he is warm for a short while. Light him on fire, and he is warm for the rest of his life. >> Yeah, I'm sitting here doing bills, and I see you are answering right >> away too. When I leave the desk to swap out the laundry, there will be a [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > don't worry about JPH's post.... you must have missed the part where he > said MOST states but then that is your style......LOL.....yank,yank.yank. >>Still worried about that last word maxipad. BTW maxipad fits you very >>well, that's why so many people use it.... learn to live with it. Hey [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > BTW, I missed that proof that I got fired as a teacher. Feel free to post > that. Obsessed by your life...LOL... not hardly. But a guy that can't even hold down a teaching job and gets fired from it has a problem. Usually when a teacher screws up they get promoted with a pay raise. Hell even when you tried to be a tutor the kids father fired your a.s. Then you come on here crying about all the jobs you we're fired from, how your Dad's will screwed you out of , what was it a coin collection and a stack of comic books............. all you ever do is cry, complain and argue with everyone. You don't really want to re-read those posts where you cried because you couldn't have the last word or was fired from every job you attempted do you. Besides I'm confident everyone here remembers them anyway. You remind me of Cliff on Cheers.......same situation, same jerk except he actually had a visible job and not a made up job to try and hide his failures in life as you do. For a guy that has already turned 40 you haven't accomplished much in life have you. I see you have to respond to every single thing I mention, even laundry and I'm sure that comment actually went over your head.......... Been doing laundry since you were 10 years old huh...... Sorry maxipad but you didn't grow up at all. No maxipad, I didn't challenge you to anything. What you are doing now is what you do in every thread and I do mean every thread. I'm simply pulling your chain, watching you jump and spin like the little puppy dog you are and shamefully starting to enjoy it. Wouldn't be surprised if when there is a little slack at the drive up window you run home to read this.....oops.... don't want to give that one away do we. Don't worry, I'll eventually unhook that chain and let you outside to play in another sand box. After all it probable isn't fair to mommy to have to get up several times each night and tell you to stop screaming in the dark. But for the moment seeing you dance and do a slow burn is a little more entertaining. > Obsessed by your life...LOL... not hardly. You sure seem to have made a bunch of assumptions about it and you think you know a lot about it > But a guy that can't even hold down a teaching job and gets fired from it > has a problem. I never got fired fro ma teaching job Jerry, thats just something you made up. I await proof otherwise. > Usually when a teacher screws up they get promoted with a pay raise. LOL, yeah, it must seem like that to those with limited knowledge of how the tenure system works. > Hell even when you tried to be a tutor the kids father fired your a.s. Wow, thats somehting I don't recall, likely because it never happened. Feel free to post proof of that too. > Then you come on here crying about all the jobs you we're fired from, I wasn't fired from any jobs, but feel free to bring proof of your claims. > how your Dad's will screwed you out of , How it screwed me out of what? Jeez Jerry, ya ought to come up with some facts before ya go posting so much crap. > what was it a coin collection and a stack of comic books............. I don't recall either of them being a major deal, I don't even remember the comic books. > all you ever do is cry, complain and argue with everyone. You really ought to get proof of this stuff Jerry. > You don't really want to re-read those posts where you cried because you > couldn't have the last word or was fired from every job you attempted do > you. I'd read em if they existed, but I doubt they exist. > Besides I'm confident everyone here remembers them anyway. It'd be great if someone would back your claims, but no one is. > For a guy that has already turned 40 you haven't accomplished much in life > have you. Well, you seem to think you know my resume, so go ahead, recite it for us. > see you have to respond to every single thing I mention, even laundry and > I'm sure that comment actually went over your head.......... Been doing [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > dark. But for the moment seeing you dance and do a slow burn is a little > more entertaining. Wow, you sure do write a lot of sh.t in reply to one or two lines from me. Your turn. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >>>Still worried about that last word maxipad. BTW maxipad fits you very >>>well, that's why so many people use it.... learn to live with it. Hey [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > for the moment seeing you dance and do a slow burn is a little more > entertaining. > I never got fired fro ma teaching job Jerry, thats just something you made > up. I await proof otherwise. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I wasn't fired from any jobs, but feel free to bring proof of your claims. LOL.... well using your often used tactics I don't have to prove anything. But if you're really interested just go back to July 21, 1999 in this very ng and you will find what you seek. >>how your Dad's will screwed you out of , > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I don't recall either of them being a major deal, I don't even remember the > comic books. Gee maxi, how can you not recall either being a major deal and yet not remember them at the same time..... damn those archived posts.... get you every time. >>all you ever do is cry, complain and argue with everyone. > > You really ought to get proof of this stuff Jerry. Don't need it..... you just proved it. >>You don't really want to re-read those posts where you cried because you >>couldn't have the last word or was fired from every job you attempted do >>you. > > I'd read em if they existed, but I doubt they exist. But you just said they were not a major deal...... so they must exist....make up your mind maxi. > your turn Naw..... i had already decided today that I was through with you maxipad. Exposing you for what your really are has some rewards I guess but it also has the downside that I have to stoop to your level to do it. Very distasteful....... kind of like having to scoop the dog litter out in the yard. So come on back with your moronic last word that seems to be driving you over the edge and then maybe you can get a good nights sleep. I'm sure mommy will enjoy no more screams in the night. I guess you realize by now that all anyone just has to do a google search of news groups with the name Max340 and all your old bullshit pissing matches pop right up. You can run but you can't hide maxipad. Oh BTW, I did find it very interesting the two names you chose to identify as very close friends on this ng. Very interesting indeed. How is that saying.... Birds of a feather......Good night Cliff.... Nate, I am glad your family and no one else was hurt in the accident and hope you get your truck fixed soon. Only point I was making with you was I thought you were being a little more concerned about depreciation value than need be. I guess to each his own. Sorry your thread turned into a shitty pissing match but I'm sure you have seen it before. Jerry > LOL.... well using your often used tactics I don't have to prove anything. > But if you're really interested just go back to July 21, 1999 in this very > ng and you will find what you seek. Whjat I seek is proof that you are correct. What I'll find is surely something different. Thats why I choose to let you prove it by posting it here on this thread. Once again amusing that you went looking for it. > Gee maxi, how can you not recall either being a major deal and yet not > remember them at the same time..... damn those archived posts.... get you > every time. What archived posts, you haven't posted anything that proves what you've said, so.... keep trying. > Naw..... i had already decided today that I was through with you maxipad. LOL, yeah, I guess you finally decided that you had enough of playing the games you claim you don't, only to retreat after claiming you weren't gonna post anymore. > Exposing you for what your really are has some rewards I guess but it also > has the downside that I have to stoop to your level to do it. LOL, The part where you stooped was where you attacked Nate for having legitimate concerns, attacked TomL for eloquently stating his point, attacked Tbone for whatever, depending on the day, attacked Budd for being Budd, and then decided t call me names for no apparent reason. All of it was below the normal conduct you practice in here. IOW Jerry, despite the fact that I regularly disagree with you, it was worth dragging you around a bit until you realized that you had in fact, gotten off the normally respectable hole you claim. I dunno WTF your problem was, but hey, you jumped into the mud. > Very distasteful....... kind of like having to scoop the dog litter out in > the yard. So come on back with your moronic last word that seems to be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > groups with the name Max340 and all your old bullshit pissing matches pop > right up. You can run but you can't hide maxipad. Oh BTW, Nothing to hide from, Jerry, as you haven't proven a damn thing, since none of the things you've claimed were true. > I did find it very interesting the two names you chose to identify as > very close friends on this ng. Very interesting indeed. How is that > saying.... Yeah, I guess it wouldn't surprise you to figure I'd spent several hours via phone and internet helping TomL with trans difficulties, since you attacked him too. Hell, for all the arguing you seem to think I did with Nate, I'd be glad to chat with him and help out if he had a problem. Remember Lee? He stopped here for several nights, even camped out in a local bar for a couple of them, drinking and having a good time. Yeah, I'm such an a.shole. Your turn. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> I never got fired fro ma teaching job Jerry, thats just something you >> made up. I await proof otherwise. [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > Jerry Maxipad being maxipad.......... http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.dodge.trucks/browse_thread/thread/3245d 60d59a9c883/b6fd7758692b892e?lnk=st&q=teacher+author%3AMax340&rnum=12&hl=en#b6fd 7758692b892e http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.dodge.trucks/browse_thread/thread/ff5b5 88876223ff8/60d7349a479d6f0b?lnk=st&q=teacher+author%3AMax340&rnum=25&hl=en#60d7 349a479d6f0b > Maxipad being maxipad.......... Wow Jerry, I'm impressed with the effort you've put int olooking this up. I mean really, you are definitely yanking my chain. Wow, good work. So lets see what you have.... > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.dodge.trucks/browse_thread/thread/3245d 60d59a9c883/b6fd7758692b892e?lnk=st&q=teacher+author%3AMax340&rnum=12&hl=en#b6fd 7758692b892e |
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