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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / November 2005

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Heavy backfiring at low speeds

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Issy - 27 Nov 2005 21:13 GMT
I don’t know if this should go under Cars & Minivan or Trucks so I’ll put
it under both, as this is a small motor home.

I have family in New Orleans so was anxious to get there after Katrina
and
took off knowing that I had a deal hole on# 6 (burned valve). I’m driving
a
1977 Concord motor home with a dodge 360-3 engine. I put in new plugs and
a
new carburetor before leaving.

It didn’t have all the power I would have liked but it ran OK and I made
it there. I headed home (Tigard Oregon) after a couple of months and got
as far as Phoenix Arizona. I don’t remember if there was a pop or loud
noise of any sort but suddenly I could barely make 20 mph. I got towed
into Phoenix where I was told that #1 and 3 cylinders were bypassing gas
(raw gas squirting out of carb). He pulled the heads and we swapped for a
rebuilt set. He seemed to do a good job and the engine ran fine. After
leaving Phoenix I was able to make hills at 60 that would have been 45
before the heads were replaced.

I made about 800 miles and then everything went to hell. I could barely
get it started and when I did, it sounded like it was a shooting gallery.
It was backfiring worse than I’ve ever seen. This started about 20 miles
from a city and I pushed on only to find that once I got above 45 or 50
mph it seemed to settle down and ran well enough that I decide to carry
on
because I really wanted to get home.

I finally made it and was glad to walk away from it.  But now I need to
get it fixed because I want to go back and work with Habitat for Humanity
to help some of those people who have lost so much. But I don’t have a
clue of where to start. I am thinking about shot gunning in a new
distributor to see if that helps, but that is only a guess. I would
really
appreciate some guidance.
TheSnoMan - 27 Nov 2005 22:01 GMT
> I don’t know if this should go under Cars & Minivan or Trucks so I’ll put
> it under both, as this is a small motor home.
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> really
> appreciate some guidance.

Sounds like excessively lean mixture which can cause the backfires you
are seeing and also burn valves too. A burnt intake valve can cause bad
backfiring too.

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RamMan@dodgecity.cc - 28 Nov 2005 00:43 GMT
It could be anything, but given your story and symptoms my guess would be
the timing chain has jumped a tooth.

Newly rebuilt heads bolted onto a worn out bottom end is frequently a
recipe for trouble. You didn't mention how many miles were on the engine
before the first breakdown, but somehow I'd imagine on a '77 it was a lot.
With the heads already off, how much extra would it have cost to hone the
cylinders, re-ring it and put in new bearings, seals & timing gear &
chain? Perhaps a new cam while we're in there. Probably double the
original job but if you had done so, you would essentially have a brand
new motor except for the carbeurator.

It is also possible the "rebuilt" heads weren't fully rebuilt. Some
rebuilders will simply grind the valves & seats and put it back together
with all the original hardware (valves, springs, lifters, push rods,rocker
arms and keepers). I cannot imagine anyone putting newly rebuilt heads on
and not replacing the springs and lifters, but I'm sure it happens.
TheSnoMan - 28 Nov 2005 00:53 GMT
Not likely a timing chain, he said he has a burnt valve and they only
get worse.

> It could be anything, but given your story and symptoms my guess would be
> the timing chain has jumped a tooth.
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> arms and keepers). I cannot imagine anyone putting newly rebuilt heads on
> and not replacing the springs and lifters, but I'm sure it happens.

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CBHVAC - 28 Nov 2005 18:50 GMT
> Not likely a timing chain, he said he has a burnt valve and they only get
> worse.

He also said thats gone with the rebuilt heads...

>> It could be anything, but given your story and symptoms my guess would be
>> the timing chain has jumped a tooth.
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>> arms and keepers). I cannot imagine anyone putting newly rebuilt heads on
>> and not replacing the springs and lifters, but I'm sure it happens.
TheSnoMan - 28 Nov 2005 19:23 GMT
Check for lean mixture as it would cause the backfiring and the burnt
valve to begin with.

>>Not likely a timing chain, he said he has a burnt valve and they only get
>>worse.
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>>>arms and keepers). I cannot imagine anyone putting newly rebuilt heads on
>>>and not replacing the springs and lifters, but I'm sure it happens.

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