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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / December 2005Rusted out brake lines
In the last few months, I have had to replace four sections of brake line..... 130,000 miles on a 97 Ram 1500...... A word to the wise.....inspect your brake lines! A better rule is to change your fluid every couple of years and to paint everything not painted by the factory BEFORE you drive it. Steve > In the last few months, I have had to replace four sections of brake > line..... > > 130,000 miles on a 97 Ram 1500...... > > A word to the wise.....inspect your brake lines! Yep, works for me too. Coasty >A better rule is to change your fluid every couple of years and to paint >everything not painted by the factory BEFORE you drive it. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> A word to the wise.....inspect your brake lines! >A better rule is to change your fluid every couple of years and to paint >everything not painted by the factory BEFORE you drive it. > Steve And never park in the long grass. Had to do the same thing (only 1 for me so far), same year and less miles. Funny how my 89 Nissan still has its original steel lines and there just fine. I guess that it's just another DC or at the time Chrysler method of increasing profits at the customers expense.  SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > In the last few months, I have had to replace four sections of brake > line..... > > 130,000 miles on a 97 Ram 1500...... > > A word to the wise.....inspect your brake lines! > Had to do the same thing (only 1 for me so far), same year and less miles. > Funny how my 89 Nissan still has its original steel lines and there just > fine. I guess that it's just another DC or at the time Chrysler method of > increasing profits at the customers expense. Yup, couldn't have anything to do with the dozens of other variables, like conditions, design, aerodynamics under the truck, etc. Has to be quality control and an effort to rip off the customer..... SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Had to do the same thing (only 1 for me so far), same year and less miles. > Funny how my 89 Nissan still has its original steel lines and there just [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> A word to the wise.....inspect your brake lines! > Yup, couldn't have anything to do with the dozens of other variables, like > conditions, design, aerodynamics under the truck, etc. Funny how my '95 lines, in just as crappy weather, have managed to hold out for over 100K, with my just replacing the flex lines as a matter of PM (rather than necessity). I think TBone's truck just doesn't like him.... go figure. >> Yup, couldn't have anything to do with the dozens of other variables, >> like conditions, design, aerodynamics under the truck, etc. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I think TBone's truck just doesn't like him.... go figure. My '95 is just over 100K and are just fine but they have been very easy miles, no salt from plowing snow, no dirt and mud from pulling wagons out of the fields ect. You all have never seen a truck babied such as mine. <G> Denny >>> Yup, couldn't have anything to do with the dozens of other variables, >>> like conditions, design, aerodynamics under the truck, etc. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Denny Haulin' your fat a.s around.<VBG> Roy >>>> Yup, couldn't have anything to do with the dozens of other variables, >>>> like conditions, design, aerodynamics under the truck, etc. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Roy I knew there was a reason you have an oil burner and me a gasser...... Denny > > Yup, couldn't have anything to do with the dozens of other variables, like > > conditions, design, aerodynamics under the truck, etc. > > Funny how my '95 lines, in just as crappy weather, have managed to hold out > for over 100K, with my just replacing the flex lines as a matter of PM > (rather than necessity). Well gee, I guess that I'm wrong, after all, 97 and 95 are the same year, right? Hey, wait a minute, you tried to fool me, they are not the same year but after all, nothing ever changes from one year to the next, right Tom!?!?! Funny, but the 93 doesn't look like mine and the steering wheel on the 98 doesn't have those damn horn buttons like my 97 does so I guess that things do change but there would never be a reason to make changes to increase profits now, would there. But hey, wait, didn't they merge (become acquired) by Daimler shortly after 97 and the better they look (higher profits), the more money they (board members) get but we all know that these things only take a few weeks from conception to hammer out and the boards only concern is customer happiness even at their personal cost, right Tom? SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Well gee, I guess that I'm wrong, after all, 97 and 95 are the same year, > right? Hey, wait a minute, you tried to fool me, they are not the same > year > but after all, nothing ever changes from one year to the next, right > Tom!?!?! That's right Tbutt, they change everything one year to the next just to f.ck you up, moron. > > Well gee, I guess that I'm wrong, after all, 97 and 95 are the same year, > > right? Hey, wait a minute, you tried to fool me, they are not the same [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > That's right Tbutt, they change everything one year to the next just to > f.ck you up, moron. Did you sneak past your mommy to play with her computer again? Grow up a.shole. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Well gee, I guess that I'm wrong, after all, 97 and 95 are the same year Ahh...those rich greedy republican business owners are only greedy certain years eh? > > Well gee, I guess that I'm wrong, after all, 97 and 95 are the same year > > Ahh...those rich greedy republican business owners are only greedy > certain years eh? Are you really this stupid miles! Oh, who am I kidding, of course your not, you just hope that most of the others are. The problem is that most of these greedy business owners are not really republicans, they are just scum that votes on the republican ticket because the republican party and its smaller government beliefs makes it easier to rip off the common man. And yes, with the possibility growing for a takeover and big bucks getting into their pockets, your damn right that they can be greedier one year over another. It also takes time to make decisions where cost cutting can be made without being obvious and more time after that to implement those changes so yea, one year can be better than another and if you are not bright enough to even understand this, I feel sorry for your customers, that is if you actually have any. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Some funny crap that was snipped! That was just too priceless TBone. I'm sure others got a good laugh too. > > Some funny crap that was snipped! > > That was just too priceless TBone. I'm sure others got a good laugh too. Especially the part about the Republican party and it's smaller government beliefs. > Ahh...those rich greedy republican business owners are only greedy certain > years eh? Nah - it's all about the Germans. Just like when they bombed Pearl Harbor, they forced Dodge to use sub-standard brake lines. "Ve vant you to use zee crappy lines for zee Amerikaner vehicles, yah?" > > Ahh...those rich greedy republican business owners are only greedy certain > > years eh? > > Nah - it's all about the Germans. Just like when they bombed Pearl Harbor, > they forced Dodge to use sub-standard brake lines. "Ve vant you to use zee > crappy lines for zee Amerikaner vehicles, yah?" Is this really the best that you can do and completely incorrect at that. Zee Germans did not own Dodge in 97 and when exactly did Germany bomb Pearl Harbor??? Do you know for a fact that they didn't use a slightly lower quality material in 97 in an attempt to cut costs? It is possible that they just got a bad batch of line in 97 but with other things such as delaminating paint and bad bearings in the 9 1/4 rear as well as other quality problems I am thinking more toward the first reason. BTW, I see that your noise levels are reaching all new highs, welcome to the club. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Is this really the best that you can do and completely incorrect at that. > Zee Germans did not own Dodge in 97 It's called sarcastic humor... YOU were the one that made this claim: TBone> But hey, wait, didn't they merge (become TBone> acquired) by Daimler shortly after 97 and the TBone> better they look (higher profits), the more money TBone> they (board members) get > and when exactly did Germany bomb Pearl Harbor??? Wow.... if you can't figure that one out, well... I ain't explaining it to you. > > Is this really the best that you can do and completely incorrect at that. > > Zee Germans did not own Dodge in 97 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > TBone> better they look (higher profits), the more money > TBone> they (board members) get Where is it wrong? Did Germany have control of the company yet and if not..... I understand it's humor and is often used when one cannot backup their previous claims. > > and when exactly did Germany bomb Pearl Harbor??? > > Wow.... if you can't figure that one out, well... I ain't explaining it to > you. Yea, because you can't and this was humor as well, only not being used to cover previous posts. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Where is it wrong? Did Germany have control of the company yet and if > not..... I understand it's humor and is often used when one cannot backup > their previous claims. Better humor than more bullshit and outright lies when you make a claim you can't back up. First you made the claim that it was Dodge using junk brake lines to increase profits. Then, once called on that claim, you decide to blame it on ownership (be it German or American) and throw a bunch of "well, it COULD be...." crap. Face it, steel brake line is... well, steel brake line. Its mild steel. Its the diameter that it is, its all made the same, and I'd bet there are less than ten suppliers in the world, if that many. For those that think certain vehicles have a problem with the brake lines, I say hogwash. Its STEEL BRAKE LINE, and its under a vehicle, in water, dirt and generally ugly circumstances, IT WILL RUST. ALL vehicles should be checked regularly, and in PA, inspection requires it. Now, go on with your argument that mild steel is different somehow, and that PA has different regs, and whatever other stupid diversionary tactics you can barf up. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> > Is this really the best that you can do and completely incorrect at > that. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Yea, because you can't and this was humor as well, only not being used to > cover previous posts. > > Where is it wrong? Did Germany have control of the company yet and if > > not..... I understand it's humor and is often used when one cannot backup > > their previous claims. > > Better humor than more bullshit and outright lies when you make a claim you > can't back up. In order to call it a lie, you need to prove me wrong and you have yet to do that but don't worry, I'll wait while you dance. > First you made the claim that it was Dodge using junk brake lines to > increase profits. Then, once called on that claim, you decide to blame it on > ownership (be it German or American) and throw a bunch of "well, it COULD > be...." crap. Really, who called me on it and how? Yea, I made the claim and none of you have proven me wrong or it impossible. I gave valid possibilities while all you did was spin and make a fool out of yourself once again by dancing for me. > Face it, steel brake line is... well, steel brake line. Its mild steel. Its > the diameter that it is, its all made the same, and I'd bet there are less > than ten suppliers in the world, if that many. LOL, brake line comes in different diameters as well as materials and while there may be a limited number of suppliers, I would bet that each one has different grades of material and related costs for them. > For those that think certain vehicles have a problem with the brake lines, I > say hogwash. Its STEEL BRAKE LINE, and its under a vehicle, in water, dirt > and generally ugly circumstances, IT WILL RUST. ALL vehicles should be > checked regularly, and in PA, inspection requires it. So what. I have yet to have a vehicle besides this one lose a metal brake line just like this was the first vehicle that I owned that lost a rear diff bearing and the only one with this delaminating problem, all cost cutting quality control issues. Since the lines will be exposed to the conditions that you listed, they should be made of a material that can deal with it and up to this vehicle, every other one that I owned did, including my 18 year old Dart, my 23 year old Falcon, and my 22 year old T/A. > Now, go on with your argument that mild steel is different somehow, and that > PA has different regs, and whatever other stupid diversionary tactics you > can barf up. If you think that all mild steel is of the same quality and corrosion resistance then you are an idiot. Hell, I'm arguing with someone that called corrosion decomposition, LOL. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > Where is it wrong? Did Germany have control of the company yet and if > > not..... I understand it's humor and is often used when one cannot backup > > their previous claims. > > Better humor than more bullshit and outright lies when you make a claim you > can't back up. In order to call it a lie, you need to prove me wrong and you have yet to do that but don't worry, I'll wait while you dance. > First you made the claim that it was Dodge using junk brake lines to > increase profits. Then, once called on that claim, you decide to blame it on > ownership (be it German or American) and throw a bunch of "well, it COULD > be...." crap. Really, who called me on it and how? Yea, I made the claim and none of you have proven me wrong or it impossible. I gave valid possibilities while all you did was spin and make a fool out of yourself once again by dancing for me. > Face it, steel brake line is... well, steel brake line. Its mild steel. Its > the diameter that it is, its all made the same, and I'd bet there are less > than ten suppliers in the world, if that many. LOL, brake line comes in different diameters as well as materials and while there may be a limited number of suppliers, I would bet that each one has different grades of material and related costs for them. > For those that think certain vehicles have a problem with the brake lines, I > say hogwash. Its STEEL BRAKE LINE, and its under a vehicle, in water, dirt > and generally ugly circumstances, IT WILL RUST. ALL vehicles should be > checked regularly, and in PA, inspection requires it. So what. I have yet to have a vehicle besides this one lose a metal brake line just like this was the first vehicle that I owned that lost a rear diff bearing and the only one with this delaminating problem, all cost cutting quality control issues. Since the lines will be exposed to the conditions that you listed, they should be made of a material that can deal with it and up to this vehicle, every other one that I owned did, including my 18 year old Dart, my 23 year old Falcon, and my 22 year old T/A. > Now, go on with your argument that mild steel is different somehow, and that > PA has different regs, and whatever other stupid diversionary tactics you > can barf up. If you think that all mild steel is of the same quality and corrosion resistance then you are an idiot. Hell, I'm arguing with someone that called corrosion decomposition, LOL. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving Hey, could ya post this again, I didn't get it the first two times...... Only one dancing is you.... same steps, same out of time music. Dealing in woulda, coulda, shoulda, is easy. Bring some facts, not assumptions and far flung reaches of fantasy, and you'll be doing some sort of work. I've seen many vehicles, all sorts of makes and models, with brake line failure due to rust. All brake line is made to withstand certain pressures, otherwise, there is no difference in the steel used to make it. Plainly stated, you are grasping for suppositions, making claims, and lacking facts. Fact is, brake line rusts because it is steel. Conditions dictate its longevity, not materials. If you think your conditions between vehicles are close, you should check out the similarity of the steel from one brake line to another. I guarantee its closer than your supposedly equal conditions for the vehicles. The only issue not resolved at this point is when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. Have fun figuring that out. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> > Where is it wrong? Did Germany have control of the company yet and if >> > not..... I understand it's humor and is often used when one cannot [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > resistance then you are an idiot. Hell, I'm arguing with someone that > called corrosion decomposition, LOL. > Hey, could ya post this again, I didn't get it the first two times...... Sure, if you really need me to. > Only one dancing is you.... same steps, same out of time music. Dealing in > woulda, coulda, shoulda, is easy. Bring some facts, not assumptions and far > flung reaches of fantasy, and you'll be doing some sort of work. The facts are there, my 97 rotted the brake lines and so did the other poster. The other people that said theirs were fine were both 95's. While it is not an outstanding number it is still 2 more than you have. > I've seen many vehicles, all sorts of makes and models, with brake line > failure due to rust. Sure you have, just like you saw all of those vehicles apply pressure to the TB on an hydraulic chutch due to air in the system when the system had nothing else wrong with it, LOL. > All brake line is made to withstand certain pressures, otherwise, there is > no difference in the steel used to make it. Hahahahaha, care to back this up? They need to comply with minimum strength and possible corrosion resistance minimums and to go higher and / or last longer costs more money. There are many grades of steel rated in both makup, QC, and cost that can meet these standards and if you think differently.... > Plainly stated, you are grasping for suppositions, making claims, and > lacking facts. I have some facts backing me up. You OTOH, are completely full of sh.t. You seem to think that all steel is the same but have nothing to back this pure bullshit up. > Fact is, brake line rusts because it is steel. And there are many grades of steel that can meet the minimum strength requirements that have different corrosion resistance at different costs. > Conditions dictate its longevity, not materials. Complete bullshit but feel free to prove this, I'll wait and laugh. > If you think your conditions between vehicles are > close, you should check out the similarity of the steel from one brake line > to another. I guarantee its closer than your supposedly equal conditions for > the vehicles. I don't have the labratory equipment available to do that and neither do you but I don't have to, the proof is in the pudding. > The only issue not resolved at this point is when the Germans bombed Pearl > Harbor. Have fun figuring that out. Since it never happened... SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> The only issue not resolved at this point is when the Germans bombed >> Pearl >> Harbor. Have fun figuring that out. > > Since it never happened... Sure it did. You just don't understand when. But you're on a roll..... SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> Hey, could ya post this again, I didn't get it the first two times...... > [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > Since it never happened... >> The only issue not resolved at this point is when the Germans bombed >> Pearl >> Harbor. Have fun figuring that out. > > Since it never happened... Sure it did. You just don't understand when. But you're on a roll..... SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> Hey, could ya post this again, I didn't get it the first two times...... > [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > Since it never happened... Some links... http://64.90.169.191/applications/automotive/brake.html http://64.90.169.191/applications/automotive/931028-automotive-bra ke-tube.html http://www.fedhillusa.com/pages/709975/index.htm > In order to call it a lie, you need to prove me wrong and you have yet to do > that but don't worry, I'll wait while you dance. You first have to prove yourself right or at least give some credible evidence of such. Instead all you offer is your one single puny personal results. Then claim you're right about making generalized claims about an entire company or brand for a given year. lol. Some funny stuff right there! You have no credibility TBone so making a bonehead statement and then demanding to be proven wrong is absurd. > > In order to call it a lie, you need to prove me wrong and you have yet to do > > that but don't worry, I'll wait while you dance. > > You first have to prove yourself right or at least give some credible > evidence of such. Instead all you offer is your one single puny > personal results. It was not just my personal results but for the metal lines to fail in less than 8 years shows some real second rate materials being used and with the rear bearing problems and delamination problems that MANY have posted about in here, as they say, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... > Then claim you're right about making generalized > claims about an entire company or brand for a given year. lol. Some > funny stuff right there! It is what it is miles even if you don't want to hear it. > You have no credibility TBone so making a > bonehead statement and then demanding to be proven wrong is absurd. I really hate to burst your bubble there miles but you really fair no better in the credibility department. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > Ahh...those rich greedy republican business owners are only greedy certain > > years eh? > > Nah - it's all about the Germans. Just like when they bombed Pearl Harbor, > they forced Dodge to use sub-standard brake lines. "Ve vant you to use zee > crappy lines for zee Amerikaner vehicles, yah?" Don't quit the day job Tom. > > Had to do the same thing (only 1 for me so far), same year and less miles. > > Funny how my 89 Nissan still has its original steel lines and there just [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yup, couldn't have anything to do with the dozens of other variables, like > conditions, design, aerodynamics under the truck, etc. Aerodynamics huh, LOL. Had both vehicles (Nissan much longer) parked in the same driveway, driven on the same roads under similar conditions. Actually, the Nissan went through worse since it delt with the salt covered slushy roads while the truck dealt with fresh snow most of the time with it's over a foot ground clearence compared to the nissans few inches. The lines on both vehicles are subject to direct exposure in places and yet, the Nissans are still holding up just fine. Care to try again, I could use the laugh. > Has to be quality control and an effort to rip off the customer..... Doesn't have to be but usually is, just like the sub-standard couplers on the steering shaft, lower quality bearings in the 9 1/4 rear, under designed ball joints on the Dakota, one piece in-tank pump and filter..... SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Aerodynamics huh, LOL. Yeah, typically we drive through air. You probably drive through hot air. > Had both vehicles (Nissan much longer) parked in the > same driveway, driven on the same roads under similar conditions. There is no way you can guarantee that both vehicles saw exactly the same conditions, and thus cannot compare accurately, the rust time from one to the other. You claim to know science, perhaps you should observe the proper method. > Actually, > the Nissan went through worse since it delt with the salt covered slushy > roads while the truck dealt with fresh snow most of the time with it's > over > a foot ground clearence compared to the nissans few inches. LOL, so maybe the truck went through mud? > The lines on > both vehicles are subject to direct exposure in places and yet, the > Nissans > are still holding up just fine. Care to try again, I could use the laugh. Nah, you try again, your claims don't hold water, let alone rust in that water they are supposed to hold. >> Has to be quality control and an effort to rip off the customer..... > > Doesn't have to be but usually is, just like the sub-standard couplers on > the steering shaft, lower quality bearings in the 9 1/4 rear, under > designed > ball joints on the Dakota, one piece in-tank pump and filter..... And the brake lines that mysteriously rusted ONLY on your truck out of all those on here. Doesn't really matter Tom, most of us know you are full of sh.t somehow, this just proves it. You are welcome to try and prove the two vehicles saw exactly the same conditions, but we know they didn't. Its impossible. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> > Had to do the same thing (only 1 for me so far), same year and less > miles. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > designed > ball joints on the Dakota, one piece in-tank pump and filter..... > > Aerodynamics huh, LOL. > > Yeah, typically we drive through air. You probably drive through hot air. Only when driving near you Maxi. > > Had both vehicles (Nissan much longer) parked in the > > same driveway, driven on the same roads under similar conditions. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the other. You claim to know science, perhaps you should observe the proper > method. They don't have to be exactly the same Max, as it is impossible to ever get "exactly" the same conditions ever. In this case, all they need to be is close and since the Nissan and even my TA were exposed to similar conditions for far longer, they don't even have to be all that close. The Nissan lines held up 8 years longer and the Trans Am lines held up 17 years longer so we are not talking a few months or even a year where you could say that the slight differences had any real effect on longevity. > > Actually, > > the Nissan went through worse since it delt with the salt covered slushy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > LOL, so maybe the truck went through mud? No more than the Nissan would have went through since I don't off-road with this truck. > > The lines on > > both vehicles are subject to direct exposure in places and yet, the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Nah, you try again, your claims don't hold water, let alone rust in that > water they are supposed to hold. Sorry Maxi, but this is just more of your senseless spin. Please explain how arodynamics destroyed the lines, or this magical mudd for that matter. Maybe you use water in your brake lines since you now claim they are supposed to hold it but I'll stick with brake fluid. > >> Has to be quality control and an effort to rip off the customer..... > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > And the brake lines that mysteriously rusted ONLY on your truck out of all > those on here. Reading a new skill that you have yet to master their maxie???? I am not the only one with this problem as I am responding to someone else with the same year truck that has a much worse condition of it than my truck did. Actually, you said the same crap about the bad bearings in the 9 1/4 rear. > Doesn't really matter Tom, most of us know you are full of sh.t somehow, > this just proves it. Funny, that has been said of you as well and your crap here proves it as well... aerodynamics, LOL! > You are welcome to try and prove the two vehicles saw exactly the same > conditions, but we know they didn't. Its impossible. No sh.t Sherlock, I never said otherwise but we are not talking a few months here, we are talking years and many of them and in that case, the conditions don't have to be exact, only similar. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > They don't have to be exactly the same Max, as it is impossible to ever > get > "exactly" the same conditions ever. To make the claims you are attemtping to make, YES Mr. Wizard, the conditions have to be the same. Its called the scientific method. > In this case, all they need to be is > close and since the Nissan and even my TA were exposed to similar [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > are not talking a few months or even a year where you could say that the > slight differences had any real effect on longevity. I think I see the problem here.... a Trans Am owner...... all ego, and no hp. > Sorry Maxi, but this is just more of your senseless spin. Please explain > how arodynamics destroyed the lines, or this magical mudd for that matter. > Maybe you use water in your brake lines since you now claim they are > supposed to hold it but I'll stick with brake fluid. Vehicle aerodynamics on the underside are typically why dirt and water get into places they should not if the vehicle were sitting still. Its not rocket science, but it seems to have escaped you nonetheless. > Reading a new skill that you have yet to master their maxie???? I am not > the only one with this problem as I am responding to someone else with the > same year truck that has a much worse condition of it than my truck did. > Actually, you said the same crap about the bad bearings in the 9 1/4 rear. Yup, because I. among many others, don't believe that big business goes out of its way to rip off you and a select few others. Good luck figuring out when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> > Aerodynamics huh, LOL. >> [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > conditions > don't have to be exact, only similar. > > They don't have to be exactly the same Max, as it is impossible to ever > > get > > "exactly" the same conditions ever. > > To make the claims you are attemtping to make, YES Mr. Wizard, the > conditions have to be the same. Its called the scientific method. Once again, you prove that you don't know sh.t. My claim was for general endurance over an extended period and for that, the conditions only need to be similar and they were. Actually, the brake lines on the Nissan are subjected to more abuse from the elements and for nearly twice as long and yet .... > > In this case, all they need to be is > > close and since the Nissan and even my TA were exposed to similar [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I think I see the problem here.... a Trans Am owner...... all ego, and no > hp. The car was free but I'll agree, all show and no go but it did look good and handle well. > > Sorry Maxi, but this is just more of your senseless spin. Please explain > > how arodynamics destroyed the lines, or this magical mudd for that matter. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > into places they should not if the vehicle were sitting still. Its not > rocket science, but it seems to have escaped you nonetheless. The lines are not protected so there is no place where the lines run where dirt and water can not or should not go and the lines should be made out of a material that can deal with it. The same is true on the Nissan and in that case, they are much closer to the ground and salt spray as well as dirt and water on wet roads and yet, they survived for 8 more years and counting. Similar exposure and nearly twice the life so far, care to dance again? > > Reading a new skill that you have yet to master their maxie???? I am not > > the only one with this problem as I am responding to someone else with the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yup, because I. among many others, don't believe that big business goes out > of its way to rip off you and a select few others. I never said that they did either. They do go out of their way to increase profits, especially if a takeover is possible and the customer is not their primary concern, that would be the stock holders and even then, the board members come first. > Good luck figuring out when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. You had better offer that to Tom, he made the claim. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > They don't have to be exactly the same Max, as it is impossible to ever > > get > > "exactly" the same conditions ever. > > To make the claims you are attemtping to make, YES Mr. Wizard, the > conditions have to be the same. Its called the scientific method. Once again, you prove that you don't know sh.t. My claim was for general endurance over an extended period and for that, the conditions only need to be similar and they were. Actually, the brake lines on the Nissan are subjected to more abuse from the elements and for nearly twice as long and yet .... > > In this case, all they need to be is > > close and since the Nissan and even my TA were exposed to similar [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I think I see the problem here.... a Trans Am owner...... all ego, and no > hp. The car was free but I'll agree, all show and no go but it did look good and handle well. > > Sorry Maxi, but this is just more of your senseless spin. Please explain > > how arodynamics destroyed the lines, or this magical mudd for that matter. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > into places they should not if the vehicle were sitting still. Its not > rocket science, but it seems to have escaped you nonetheless. The lines are not protected so there is no place where the lines run where dirt and water can not or should not go and the lines should be made out of a material that can deal with it. The same is true on the Nissan and in that case, they are much closer to the ground and salt spray as well as dirt and water on wet roads and yet, they survived for 8 more years and counting. Similar exposure and nearly twice the life so far, care to dance again? > > Reading a new skill that you have yet to master their maxie???? I am not > > the only one with this problem as I am responding to someone else with the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yup, because I. among many others, don't believe that big business goes out > of its way to rip off you and a select few others. I never said that they did either. They do go out of their way to increase profits, especially if a takeover is possible and the customer is not their primary concern, that would be the stock holders and even then, the board members come first. > Good luck figuring out when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. You had better offer that to Tom, he made the claim. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving Tom and I know exactly when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. You, OTOH, don't know squat about brake lines, dirt and rust on an under carriage, scientific method, or corporate profits, let alone when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> > They don't have to be exactly the same Max, as it is impossible to ever >> > get [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > You had better offer that to Tom, he made the claim. > Tom and I know exactly when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. Yea, sure you do. > You, OTOH, don't know squat about brake lines, dirt and rust on an under > carriage, scientific method, or corporate profits, let alone when the > Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. And yet, I prove you wrong time and time again. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> Tom and I know exactly when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. > > Yea, sure you do. Yeah, We DO. LOL >> You, OTOH, don't know squat about brake lines, dirt and rust on an under >> carriage, scientific method, or corporate profits, let alone when the >> Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. > > And yet, I prove you wrong time and time again. Only in your own mind Tommy Boy....... SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> Tom and I know exactly when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > And yet, I prove you wrong time and time again. > Doesn't have to be but usually is, just like the sub-standard couplers on > the steering shaft, lower quality bearings in the 9 1/4 rear, under designed > ball joints on the Dakota, one piece in-tank pump and filter..... Talk to anyone who owns a Nissan Armada and then tell me how Nissan uses only top quality parts. I never said that Nissan was perfect. Everybody builds a lemon every now and then. I never said that all DC builds is junk either. I don't have much to complain about with my truck but it is not perfect and some of the flaws it has are due to cost cutting. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > Doesn't have to be but usually is, just like the sub-standard couplers on > > the steering shaft, lower quality bearings in the 9 1/4 rear, under designed > > ball joints on the Dakota, one piece in-tank pump and filter..... > > Talk to anyone who owns a Nissan Armada and then tell me how Nissan uses > only top quality parts. >I never said that Nissan was perfect. Everybody builds a lemon every now > and then. I never said that all DC builds is junk either. I don't have > much to complain about with my truck but it is not perfect and some of the > flaws it has are due to cost cutting. I think one of the flaws it has is the nut behind the wheel. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >I never said that Nissan was perfect. Everybody builds a lemon every now > and then. I never said that all DC builds is junk either. I don't have [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> Talk to anyone who owns a Nissan Armada and then tell me how Nissan uses >> only top quality parts. > I never said that Nissan was perfect. Everybody builds a lemon every now > and then. I never said that all DC builds is junk either. I don't have > much to complain about with my truck but it is not perfect and some of the > flaws it has are due to cost cutting. Same as most any other brand of any other product. Again, I never said anything different. I have just noticed it more in the end of Chrysler and early DC products. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > I never said that Nissan was perfect. Everybody builds a lemon every now > > and then. I never said that all DC builds is junk either. I don't have > > much to complain about with my truck but it is not perfect and some of the > > flaws it has are due to cost cutting. > > Same as most any other brand of any other product. > Again, I never said anything different. I have just noticed it more in the > end of Chrysler and early DC products. I haven't. I also question your quickfire predictable reason that it's always some rich bastards greed that causes product problems. Sure any company tries to cut costs. Thats business. Sometimes they make bad designs and when they do they pay the price. Usually the errors are corrected. When they're not, sales take a nose dive and the company goes belly up. When will you learn the vast majority of business owners are not rich greedy bastards? > > Again, I never said anything different. I have just noticed it more in the > > end of Chrysler and early DC products. > > I haven't. LOL, please Miles, you change every fluid just about daily. With the maintanence level you keep up with, a Yugo would probably last for years. > I also question your quickfire predictable reason that it's > always some rich bastards greed that causes product problems. Because in many cases that is exactly what it is even though you try and make it seem like it never happens. > Sure any company tries to cut costs. Thats business. No, unless you are losing money or cleaning up wasteful spending, that's greed. > Sometimes they make bad designs and when they do they pay the price. LOL, no, it is usally the customer that pays the price. > Usually the errors are > corrected. When they're not, sales take a nose dive and the company > goes belly up. This is complete BS when it comes to things like vehicles. They still have a significant brand loyalty which is obvious by the reactions in here when anyone says anything bad about one. I did notice that you said usually but as with Ford and the Pinto, money always comes first. > When will you learn the vast majority of business owners are not rich > greedy bastards? I cannot learn what simply isn't true. The days of the fair and honest businessman is sadly over. To succeed now you pretty much either have to have a product that nobody else has and can't get or you need to be a greedy bastard willing to screw anyone and many are the latter but what you need to do is to stop equating the common business owner with the a.sholes that are on the board of these major public corporations because they are not business owners. They just work for these companies and their primary concern is, was and always will be themselves. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > "miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message > LOL, please Miles, you change every fluid just about daily. With the > maintanence level you keep up with, a Yugo would probably last for years. Ahh...so the truth comes out. You don't believe in keeping fluids clean and obviously have a problem with doing so to extend the life of a vehicle. If any fluid comes out looking dirty then you waited too long and it's your own damn fault for the failure. > Because in many cases that is exactly what it is even though you try and > make it seem like it never happens. Lol! Many cases? MOST people have no problems at all. > I cannot learn what simply isn't true. The days of the fair and honest > businessman is sadly over. Thats your liberal left spewing again. The vast majority of business owners aren't any different than the rest of people in the country. They're mostly good hard working people. It's your liberal mindset that always sees doom and gloom everywhere you look. How to piss off a liberal, work, be successfull, be happy. Works every time. > > "miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > vehicle. If any fluid comes out looking dirty then you waited too long > and it's your own damn fault for the failure. Hahahahaha, give me a break Miles. If you owned a diesel, you would be changing its oil as you drive it with this level of paranoia. Now if the brake line rotted from the inside out you would be correct but since I cut the bad section out and replaced it, I could see that the inside of the line was clean, except where it was destroyed from the external corrosion. > > Because in many cases that is exactly what it is even though you try and > > make it seem like it never happens. > > Lol! Many cases? MOST people have no problems at all. Most huh, and you can prove this how? Oh, that's right, you cant but because YOU say it, it must be true. Too bad you don't give this same level of respect to others opinions or thoughts. > > I cannot learn what simply isn't true. The days of the fair and honest > > businessman is sadly over. > > Thats your liberal left spewing again. The vast majority of business > owners aren't any different than the rest of people in the country. > They're mostly good hard working people. Once again, you try and distort the point to small business owners and I'll agree, most of them start off as good hard working people. The problem is that absolute power corrupts absolutly and many of them (like you) begin to like that money and power and while they may remain hard working, they also become greedy for them (again, like you) and are no longer so good of people. But like I said before, they are not what I'm talking about and you know it. What I'm talking about are high level corporate execs that could care less about anything but themselves and their money (most of them). > It's your liberal mindset that > always sees doom and gloom everywhere you look. How to piss off a > liberal, work, be successfull, be happy. Works every time. I see, you have confused the words "work" and "take". Now I understand. Liberals see doom and gloom because they both look long term and reflect back to what happened in the past under similar situations, something that the conservatives have long forgotten how to do. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Most huh, and you can prove this how? NHTSA for one. You're the one that made the claim that this year of truck has brake line troubles yet you can't show me one scrap of credible evidence of such. > > Most huh, and you can prove this how? > > NHTSA for one. You're the one that made the claim that this year of > truck has brake line troubles yet you can't show me one scrap of > credible evidence of such. If the problem is just beginning to show itself, then how would they know about it? SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> NHTSA for one. You're the one that made the claim that this year of >> truck has brake line troubles yet you can't show me one scrap of >> credible evidence of such. > > If the problem is just beginning to show itself, then how would they know > about it? Even more to the point, if the problem is just beginning to show itsef, how the hell would you know the scale of said problem???? More spin. Miles kicked your a.s. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> > Most huh, and you can prove this how? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If the problem is just beginning to show itself, then how would they know > about it? > >> NHTSA for one. You're the one that made the claim that this year of > >> truck has brake line troubles yet you can't show me one scrap of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Even more to the point, if the problem is just beginning to show itsef, how > the hell would you know the scale of said problem???? Because I'm smarter than you but then again, that's not saying much. > More spin. Miles kicked your a.s. The only real spin is coming from you but if it makes you feel better to believe this, knock yourself out. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> Even more to the point, if the problem is just beginning to show itsef, > how >> the hell would you know the scale of said problem???? > > Because I'm smarter than you but then again, that's not saying much. If you were smarter than me, you'd have proof of what you claim. But you don't, so the only other conclusion that comes to mind is..... You aren't as smart as me. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> >> NHTSA for one. You're the one that made the claim that this year of >> >> truck has brake line troubles yet you can't show me one scrap of [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > The only real spin is coming from you but if it makes you feel better to > believe this, knock yourself out. > >> Even more to the point, if the problem is just beginning to show itsef, > > how [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > If you were smarter than me, you'd have proof of what you claim. I do, it's sitting in my driveway. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> If you were smarter than me, you'd have proof of what you claim. > > I do, it's sitting in my driveway. You have all 1997 Dodge trucks in your driveway? If not, you don't have proof. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> >> Even more to the point, if the problem is just beginning to show >> >> itsef, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I do, it's sitting in my driveway. > >> If you were smarter than me, you'd have proof of what you claim. > > > > I do, it's sitting in my driveway. > > You have all 1997 Dodge trucks in your driveway? If not, you don't have > proof. I don't need all of them, just one. The brake line on mine failed at only 8 years old which shows it to be inferior. I have three other vehicles that have not had this problem and all were driven under similar conditions and two of them are significantly older so it is not just a matter of time. If these lines were used on many trucks then there will be a huge problem in the near future but I did say that is could be nothing more than a bad batch but with DC, recent history I'm not sure about that and the chances are good that it is something more. It was you and Miles that spun it into all of this BS. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > I don't need all of them, just one. The brake line on mine failed at only > 8 > years old which shows it to be inferior. Nope. Shos that it failed. It doesn't prove anything else at all. > have three other vehicles that > have not had this problem and all were driven under similar conditions and > two of them are significantly older so it is not just a matter of time. I've had older vehicles that the brake lines were fine, and younger ones that the brakelines were rusted through. Its a matter of conditions, not "inferior materials." Brake line is manufactured to a pressure spec, thus all brake line will be of similar material. > If these lines were used on many trucks then there will be a huge problem > in > the near future Ok, so it WAS you that said the problem was huge, despite your denial in the immediately previous post where you informed Miles that he and I said it, not you. Given that your truck is a 97, and there are not any "huge problems" with the 94, 95, and 96 model years, I seriously doubt there will be a huge problem on the 97. > but I did say that is could be nothing more than a bad batch > but with DC, recent history I'm not sure about that and the chances are > good > that it is something more. It was you and Miles that spun it into all of > this BS. No, it was you. You claimed that DC had a massive campaign to screw the consumer, that they used inferior materials, and that brake lines don't rust out in eight years. You've backed none of those claims with facts, and thus the conclusion that comes from all this is thta you are once again full of sh.t. Have a nice day. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> >> If you were smarter than me, you'd have proof of what you claim. >> > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > that it is something more. It was you and Miles that spun it into all of > this BS. >>I don't need all of them, just one. The brake line on mine failed at only >>8 [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Have a nice day. This is not exactly true. Something will try to react with the air (rust is a gavlanic reaction) and your brake line are the most suseptable in some applications. What I have long done with my plow trucks that are in salt a lot is to spary them with 90 weaght oil in a paint spray gun and they last for years in even the harshest environment. Signature----------------- www.thesnoman.com > This is not exactly true. Something will try to react with the air (rust > is a gavlanic reaction) and your brake line are the most suseptable in > some applications. What I have long done with my plow trucks that are in > salt a lot is to spary them with 90 weaght oil in a paint spray gun and > they last for years in even the harshest environment. What is "not exactly true?" What you described proves that conditions are the biggest factor in brake lines rusting. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >>>I don't need all of them, just one. The brake line on mine failed at >>>only 8 [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > salt a lot is to spary them with 90 weaght oil in a paint spray gun and > they last for years in even the harshest environment. > > I don't need all of them, just one. The brake line on mine failed at only > > 8 > > years old which shows it to be inferior. > > Nope. Shos that it failed. It doesn't prove anything else at all. LOL, I expect nothing more form you. > > have three other vehicles that > > have not had this problem and all were driven under similar conditions and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > "inferior materials." Brake line is manufactured to a pressure spec, thus > all brake line will be of similar material. Complete Bullshit. There are many materials and alloys that can meet a given pressure spec but they don't all have the same durability, corrosion resistance or cost. The fact that you said this just shows how little you really know and I didn't even mention the multiple corosion prevention treatments that can be applied to any one of these numerous materials also at different levels of durability and cost. > > If these lines were used on many trucks then there will be a huge problem > > in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > immediately previous post where you informed Miles that he and I said it, > not you. Learn how to read and then tell me where I said it WAS huge and that it DID affect massive numbers of vehicles. > Given that your truck is a 97, and there are not any "huge > problems" with the 94, 95, and 96 model years, I seriously doubt there will > be a huge problem on the 97. Why, are the 94,95,96 and 97's EXACTLY the same? > > but I did say that is could be nothing more than a bad batch > > but with DC, recent history I'm not sure about that and the chances are [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > consumer, that they used inferior materials, and that brake lines don't rust > out in eight years. LOL, no that was Miles spin saying a massive campaign to screw the customer and brake lines don't normally rust out in eight years. > You've backed none of those claims with facts, and thus > the conclusion that comes from all this is thta you are once again full of > sh.t. No, you are just spinning and making yourself look like an idiot once again. The sad thing is that you do it so often, that nobody really notices anymore. > Have a nice day. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Complete Bullshit. There are many materials and alloys that can meet a > given pressure spec but they don't all have the same durability, corrosion > resistance or cost. The fact that you said this just shows how little you > really know and I didn't even mention the multiple corosion prevention > treatments that can be applied to any one of these numerous materials also > at different levels of durability and cost. Yup, there are a lot of different metals that can meet different pressure spec. But we're talking about common steel brake line. So try as you might, that little bit of spin ain't gonna cut it. >> > If these lines were used on many trucks then there will be a huge > problem [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > DID > affect massive numbers of vehicles. Right up there. You keep repeating how the problem is so big. Then, when we say its small to nonexistant, you backpedal and claim that every big problem starts somewhere. Its in nearly every post you make on this topic. >> Given that your truck is a 97, and there are not any "huge >> problems" with the 94, 95, and 96 model years, I seriously doubt there > will >> be a huge problem on the 97. > > Why, are the 94,95,96 and 97's EXACTLY the same? Actually, yeah, they are. Try looking up any part for the chassis, like brake line or suspension parts, and you'll find that it fits all those years, and likely on up to the 2002 body change. >> No, it was you. You claimed that DC had a massive campaign to screw the >> consumer, that they used inferior materials, and that brake lines don't [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > customer > and brake lines don't normally rust out in eight years. Yeah, now the outright denail. Next, Morgan Fairchild will be your wife. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Next, Morgan Fairchild will be your wife. Careful.... that reference is likely to fly right over his head, too. $10 says he'll demand you produce a marriage certificate to back up your "rediculous claim". > > Complete Bullshit. There are many materials and alloys that can meet a > > given pressure spec but they don't all have the same durability, corrosion [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > spec. But we're talking about common steel brake line. So try as you might, > that little bit of spin ain't gonna cut it. You keep making this BS claim about common steel brake line like it is the only thing ever used. Lets see some proof to back this up. The links supplied by aarcuda shows you to be full of sh.t so as you said, your little bit of deception and spin aint gonna cut it. > >> > If these lines were used on many trucks then there will be a huge > > problem [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Right up there. You keep repeating how the problem is so big. Once again, your ignorance and spin rank supreme. I said IF and IF they did use this sub-standard line on many trucks it WILL be a big problem for them. > Then, when we > say its small to nonexistant, you backpedal and claim that every big problem > starts somewhere. Its in nearly every post you make on this topic. That part is true, every big problem starts somewhere and that holds true for all situations, not just this potential one. > >> Given that your truck is a 97, and there are not any "huge > >> problems" with the 94, 95, and 96 model years, I seriously doubt there [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Actually, yeah, they are. LOL, too funny. > Try looking up any part for the chassis, like > brake line or suspension parts, and you'll find that it fits all those > years, and likely on up to the 2002 body change. Could you really be this ignorant, who am I kidding, of course you are. Just because they carry the same part number does not mean that they are exactly the same and in many cases, your lookup will only show the most current part that fits the vehicle and it can be completely different form the origional one. Do you think that the current fuel pump for the 97 RAM is exactly the same one that came in it when it was new? They can change the material that makes up a part and retain the same part number if it still serves the same purpose, even if it is not as strong. > >> No, it was you. You claimed that DC had a massive campaign to screw the > >> consumer, that they used inferior materials, and that brake lines don't [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Yeah, now the outright denail. Show me exactly where I said that it was a massive campaign to screw the customer. Don't worry, I'll wait but all you are going to find is Miles spin trying to make it look like that is what I said because his argument was otherwise worthless. As for brake line not normally wearing out in 8 years, I did say that because with the possible exception of extreme conditions such as plowing or heavy beach driving, they shouldn't and up to this vehicle, none have so far for me. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > You keep making this BS claim about common steel brake line like it is the > only thing ever used. Lets see some proof to back this up. The links > supplied by aarcuda shows you to be full of sh.t so as you said, your > little > bit of deception and spin aint gonna cut it. The links supplied that lead to the brake lines made of copper refer to aftermarket sources. The only manufacturers specifically mentioned are Audi and Porsche, one other I don;t recall, but it was not Dodge. Dodge trucks have long been built with common steel brake line. The links don't change that fact. Meanwhile, you've posted nothing to back your claim of several grades of stel in those lines. > Once again, your ignorance and spin rank supreme. I said IF and IF they > did > use this sub-standard line on many trucks it WILL be a big problem for > them. No... you said the problem was a change due to corporate greed. If in fact that change occurred, it would happen on all trucks. All trucks would be a huge problem. There was no "if" about it, you claimed the brake lines were changed from one year to the next, even chastized TomL about it. >> > Why, are the 94,95,96 and 97's EXACTLY the same? >> >> Actually, yeah, they are. > > LOL, too funny. No, THAT is ACTUALLY part of the corporate greed you like to talk about so much. See, they save money if a part works over several years of the same vehicle. So its not funny at all, very practical, and cost cutting in fact. Again, this reversal of your previous claims of corporate greed is amusing. > Could you really be this ignorant, who am I kidding, of course you are. > Just because they carry the same part number does not mean that they are > exactly the same and in many cases, LOL, WHAT? You think that one part number indicates several different parts? LOL > your lookup will only show the most > current part that fits the vehicle and it can be completely different form > the origional one. Wrong. > Do you think that the current fuel pump for the 97 RAM > is exactly the same one that came in it when it was new? Yup. > They can change > the material that makes up a part and retain the same part number if it > still serves the same purpose, even if it is not as strong. Nope. Obviously, you have no clue what MOPAR part numbers do when a part is changed due to design or materials. They have a system that clearly indicates a change, even if the number appears to be the same. That change is evident to anyone who knows the system, and knows the alphabet. > Show me exactly where I said that it was a massive campaign to screw the > customer. 12/11/05, 4:22PM "I guess that it's just another DC or at the time Chrysler method of increasing profits at the customers expense" 12/12/05 1:16AM "But hey, wait, didn't they merge (become acquired) by Daimler shortly after 97 and the better they look (higher profits), the more money they (board members) get but we all know that these things only take a few weeks from conception to hammer out and the boards only concern is customer happiness even at their personal cost, right Tom?" Thats just the first to posts you made to this thread. > Don't worry, I'll wait but all you are going to find is Miles > spin trying to make it look like that is what I said because his argument > was otherwise worthless. Both were made before Miles posted to the thread. As I said, you are trying outright denial as a tactic. Its not working. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> > Complete Bullshit. There are many materials and alloys that can meet a >> > given pressure spec but they don't all have the same durability, [quoted text clipped - 93 lines] > to > this vehicle, none have so far for me. > > You keep making this BS claim about common steel brake line like it is the > > only thing ever used. Lets see some proof to back this up. The links [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > have long been built with common steel brake line. The links don't change > that fact. Once again, you talk with nothing to back up what you say. And you have the nerve to talk about me. There are multiple grades of steel fluid line material for both pressure and corrosion resistance as well as materials for protecting those materials and none of the bullshit you have been spewing out says anything different. Until you can conclusively prove that every brake line in every vehicle uses EXACTLY the same material and possible protection method, you have no facts, just your typical crap. > Meanwhile, you've posted nothing to back your claim of several grades of > stel in those lines. The manufacturer does not have to list such things, actually, they could be considered trade secrets so your chances of finding this information would be slim at best. > > Once again, your ignorance and spin rank supreme. I said IF and IF they > > did > > use this sub-standard line on many trucks it WILL be a big problem for > > them. > > No... you said the problem was a change due to corporate greed. Go back and read my second post. I said that the problem could be caused by that and that it could also be caused by a batch of bad line but I suspected the greed reasonto be the most likely with the other things they have been doing. > If in fact that change occurred, it would happen on all trucks. All trucks would be a > huge problem. There was no "if" about it, you claimed the brake lines were > changed from one year to the next, even chastized TomL about it. Yawn, more spin. If the change occurred, it would happen to all trucks from the time of the change. If a change began sometime in the 97 production run, then only the 97's built after the change and up would be affected. I chastised Tom because like you, he made an invalid assumption (that parts and materials can't change from year to year) and was wrong. > >> > Why, are the 94,95,96 and 97's EXACTLY the same? > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] |
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