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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / December 2005help with my dodge please
about one week ago I tried to start my truck. nothing it just clicked .so i put some dry gas in and heated the truck up and nothing so i looked at the plugs and replaced them. it started right up no problem. as i was driving it chugs. the more i accelerate the more it chugs my check engine light blinks when it chugs then goes off when it returns normal. not i came upona stop sign and when i went to go it chuged then stalled out now my cel stays on and blinks still when it feel like its starving for gas its a 98 dodge dakota 3.9 2wd thanks Sounds like either a failing fuel pump or perhaps a bad tank of fuel.  SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > about one week ago I tried to start my truck. nothing it just clicked > .so i put some dry gas in and heated the truck up and nothing so i [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > stalled out now my cel stays on and blinks still when it feel like its > starving for gas its a 98 dodge dakota 3.9 2wd thanks Could be a fuel filter, but since most fuel problems are not monitored by the PCM, and your CEL is coming on, I'd check for codes before assuming anything else. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > about one week ago I tried to start my truck. nothing it just clicked > .so i put some dry gas in and heated the truck up and nothing so i [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > stalled out now my cel stays on and blinks still when it feel like its > starving for gas its a 98 dodge dakota 3.9 2wd thanks Most fuel problems are not monitored, Hahahahahahahahahaha. About the only fuel problem that is not monitored is fuel pressure directly. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Could be a fuel filter, but since most fuel problems are not monitored by > the PCM, and your CEL is coming on, I'd check for codes before assuming [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > stalled out now my cel stays on and blinks still when it feel like its > > starving for gas its a 98 dodge dakota 3.9 2wd thanks "Most fuel problems are not monitored, Hahahahahahahahahaha." Max made a correct statement in this context not sure what is so funny about that. If you take his statement to the logical level it in fact can not be proven wrong; as anybody can think up more problems than are on the fixed PCM detection list. If you think so, please give me a list of fuel problems that are not monitored. If what he said is true, your list should be quite long. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > "Most fuel problems are not monitored, Hahahahahahahahahaha." Max made > a correct statement in this context not sure what is so funny about > that. If you take his statement to the logical level it in fact can > not be proven wrong; as anybody can think up more problems than are on > the fixed PCM detection list. As should your list of what is monitored. But I didn't see that in your post? I'll show you mine if you show me yours. Are you not the one who made the claim? Try backing up what you say. I already said that it pretty much monitors everything short of direct fuel pressure. It monitors rich run, lean run, misfires and which cylinder which pretty much catches all fuel delivery problems. Your turn. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > As should your list of what is monitored. But I didn't see that in > your post? I'll show you mine if you show me yours. TBone said "...catches all fuel delivery problems" funny how you are already backpedaling. Since when was this a fuel delivery problem? Yes nice slight bit of word play to shift away from the fact you were wrong. And for the record I made no claim only pointed out the obvious. Good luck with that all encompassing list you got going there buddy. How is this backpedaling, sh.t for brains? What other problems could there be besides delivery problems that are fuel related that would keep the engine from running? And for that matter, you didn't point out sh.t. All you said was that Max made a correct statement which in this case (like so many others) he did not and you were completely unable to back up any of it. Now stay in your corner until you actually have something of value to post or at least not make a fool out of yourself. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > TBone said "...catches all fuel delivery problems" funny how you are > already backpedaling. Since when was this a fuel delivery problem? > Yes nice slight bit of word play to shift away from the fact you were > wrong. And for the record I made no claim only pointed out the > obvious. Good luck with that all encompassing list you got going there > buddy. > Now stay in your corner until you actually have something of value to post > or at least not make a fool out of yourself. Talk about not taking ones own advice.......... Denny >> Now stay in your corner until you actually have something of value to >> post >> or at least not make a fool out of yourself. > > Talk about not taking ones own advice.......... Ouch! That will leave a mark . Roy > Denny Denny, Yopu oe mi a kaybod. B*Dd > > Now stay in your corner until you actually have something of value to post > > or at least not make a fool out of yourself. > > Talk about not taking ones own advice.......... > > Denny Sorry Denny but your opinion means, well, nothing. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > > Now stay in your corner until you actually have something of value to post [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Denny >> Now stay in your corner until you actually have something of value to >> post [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Denny Rabbit, he still doesn't get it. Roy >>> Now stay in your corner until you actually have something of value to >>> post [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Roy <sigh> and he never will........ it's simply a waste of time.... M >>>> Now stay in your corner until you actually have something of value to >>>> post [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com Are any of you experts able to help the OP? --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0551-0, 19/12/2005 Tested on: 19/12/2005 6:17:10 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com >>>> Now stay in your corner until you actually have something of value to >>>> post [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > M Every once in awhile I break the promise that I made to myself and hit that damned "reply group" button. One of these days I'll learn............. Denny I don't need to make a list your claim is wrong from point one, you claim a finite phase space is greater than an infinite phase space. You actually proved my point by trying to narrow down the parameters of your original statement because even you know it is wrong. You went from saying by proxy of negative association that; the only fuel problem that is not monitored by the PCM is fuel pressure directly to the PCM catches all fuel delivery problems unless they are pressure related. Those are two very different claims. So why should I respond with any sort of list when you can't even make up your mind about what you Mr. high and mightly are right about? And just so you leave with some extra knowledge, just about any soluble or distillate you can imagine can do this and not be detected by the PCM. >Are you not the one who made the claim? Try backing up what you say. I >already said that it pretty much monitors everything short of direct fuel >pressure. It monitors rich run, lean run, misfires and which cylinder which >pretty much catches all fuel delivery problems. Your turn. tom, do you ever read these posts in the morning when you first get up? try it. sort of out of the emotion of the posts and all? you would see how absolutely ridiculous, stupid, moronic, childish..........on and on, that they are. not talking about just you, several others are the same. just hopin that you will listen though. > Most fuel problems are not monitored, Hahahahahahahahahaha. About the > only > fuel problem that is not monitored is fuel pressure directly. Which, coincidentally, is what a lack of fuel is, isn't it? The fuel delivery system in a Dodge has no direct monitoring. A failed pump will not show a code or an CEL. Thus, a code would show a problem with the engine management, not the fuel delivery system. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Most fuel problems are not monitored, Hahahahahahahahahaha. About the > only [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> > stalled out now my cel stays on and blinks still when it feel like its >> > starving for gas its a 98 dodge dakota 3.9 2wd thanks Sorry Max, but you said that it will not monitor MOST fuel problems and it in fact will. Absolute fuel pressure is the only thing that it will not monitor but just about every other fuel delivery problem will cause symptoms that it can, hence the code he is getting. You are of course correct that he should get the codes before proceeding but to say that most fuel problems are not monitored is wrong. Now if you had said directly monitored, you would have been much more accurate but since you like to jump on me for crap like this, what comes around goes around. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > Most fuel problems are not monitored, Hahahahahahahahahaha. About the > > only [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >> > stalled out now my cel stays on and blinks still when it feel like its > >> > starving for gas its a 98 dodge dakota 3.9 2wd thanks > Sorry Max, but you said that it will not monitor MOST fuel problems and it > in fact will. And in fact it won't. Here is a short list of what the PCM has no clue about: Fuel filter, fuel pump, fuel lines, fuel injector spray pattern, clogged fuel injectors, failing fuel injectors (it knows if it fired the injector, but it doesn't know if that event went well), fuel pressure, fuel leaks, grade of fuel, if water is in the fuel (the diesels know this, but not the gassers, AFAIK) or if the fuel is even capable of igniting, as in, varnished or aged. > Absolute fuel pressure is the only thing that it will not > monitor but just about every other fuel delivery problem will cause > symptoms > that it can, hence the code he is getting. Um, yeah, except the problem YOU mentioned first was a failed fuel pump, which is not monitored. This is directly related to fuel PRESSURE, which is not monitored. Further, if it was enough to get the truck going, but not enough to properly spray from the injector, there would be an atomization problem, which is not monitored. > You are of course correct that > he should get the codes before proceeding but to say that most fuel > problems > are not monitored is wrong. Its absolutely correct. The only thing the PCM knows about the fuel is injector timing and A/F mixture via sensors. > Now if you had said directly monitored, you > would have been much more accurate but since you like to jump on me for > crap > like this, what comes around goes around. Nah, I just jump on you for crap where you are wrong. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Sorry Max, but you said that it will not monitor MOST fuel problems and it > in fact will. Absolute fuel pressure is the only thing that it will not [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > its >> >> > starving for gas its a 98 dodge dakota 3.9 2wd thanks > > Sorry Max, but you said that it will not monitor MOST fuel problems and it > > in fact will. > > And in fact it won't. Here is a short list of what the PCM has no clue > about: Fuel filter, fuel pump, fuel lines Lean run condition , fuel injector spray pattern, > clogged fuel injectors, failing fuel injectors (it knows if it fired the > injector, but it doesn't know if that event went well) Misfire codes fuel pressure, fuel leaks, These are really just repeates from above grade of fuel, Is not a delivery problem if water is in the fuel (the diesels know this, but > not the gassers, AFAIK) or if the fuel is even capable of igniting, as in, > varnished or aged. Again, non of this is a delivery problem > > Absolute fuel pressure is the only thing that it will not > > monitor but just about every other fuel delivery problem will cause [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Um, yeah, except the problem YOU mentioned first was a failed fuel pump, > which is not monitored. It depends on what failed. A complete failure will not be detected but a partial failure (very low pressure) would show up as lean run and misfire codes. > This is directly related to fuel PRESSURE, which is > not monitored. Further, if it was enough to get the truck going, but not > enough to properly spray from the injector, there would be an atomization > problem, which is not monitored. Did you forget about misfire codes. It would also probably result in rich run codes that would be false but would indicate a fuel delivery problem. > > You are of course correct that > > he should get the codes before proceeding but to say that most fuel [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Its absolutely correct. The only thing the PCM knows about the fuel is > injector timing and A/F mixture via sensors. And fuel delivery problems severe enough to cause running difficulties are doing it why Max, because it will cause the very mixture problems you just said so I guess that they are monitored indirectly after all. > > Now if you had said directly monitored, you > > would have been much more accurate but since you like to jump on me for > > crap > > like this, what comes around goes around. > > Nah, I just jump on you for crap where you are wrong. If that were only true but we both know better than that. Have a Merry Christmas Max. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> And in fact it won't. Here is a short list of what the PCM has no clue >> about: Fuel filter, fuel pump, fuel lines > > Lean run condition A lean run condition doesn't necessarily point to the fuel system. On the chance that it does, it does not pinpoint a cause. As such, a lean run condition only points to a lean run condition, not a cause. From there, it takes a trouble shooting procedure to determine cause. > , fuel injector spray pattern, >> clogged fuel injectors, failing fuel injectors (it knows if it fired the >> injector, but it doesn't know if that event went well) > > Misfire codes Misfire codes indicate that a cylinder did not fire correctly. It does not indicate why the cylinder fired incorrectly. > fuel pressure, fuel leaks, > > These are really just repeates from above Unfortunately, they are not. They are problems unto themselves, not just symptoms. > grade of fuel, > > Is not a delivery problem Sure it is. If for some reason the fuel vaporizes in the line, (rare, I know) the PCM would never know it. > if water is in the fuel (the diesels know this, but >> not the gassers, AFAIK) or if the fuel is even capable of igniting, as >> in, >> varnished or aged. > > Again, non of this is a delivery problem Unfortunately, you are wrong. Fuel varnish can clog injectors, stall pumps, and doesn't burn very well, if at all. If it doesn't burn, its not fuel, thus fuel isn't being delivered. Same is true of water in the fuel. >> > Absolute fuel pressure is the only thing that it will not >> > monitor but just about every other fuel delivery problem will cause [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > It depends on what failed. No, it depends on what you said failed, which was the fuel pump. And what you said failed, is NOT monitored by the PCM. > A complete failure will not be detected but a > partial failure (very low pressure) would show up as lean run and misfire > codes. While true, both codes could indicate other problems. That is why its essential to get all info, since the fuel system will not show any dedicated codes. >> This is directly related to fuel PRESSURE, which is >> not monitored. Further, if it was enough to get the truck going, but not [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Did you forget about misfire codes. It would also probably result in rich > run codes that would be false but would indicate a fuel delivery problem. See above. There are no dedicated fuel delivery codes. >> Its absolutely correct. The only thing the PCM knows about the fuel is >> injector timing and A/F mixture via sensors. > > And fuel delivery problems severe enough to cause running difficulties are > doing it why Max, because it will cause the very mixture problems you just > said so I guess that they are monitored indirectly after all. OOPS, what did you say? INDIRECTLY? Right. INDIRECTLY, you could use the codes to find a problem, and THEN use deductive reasoning (troubleshooting) to INDIRECTLY find the problem in the fuel system. But there are no dedicated codes, nor any sensors monitoring, the fuel delivery system. > If that were only true but we both know better than that. Have a Merry > Christmas Max. Who is we? I'd love to see a list of people you think agree with you consistantly. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> > Sorry Max, but you said that it will not monitor MOST fuel problems and > it [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > If that were only true but we both know better than that. Have a Merry > Christmas Max. well all i have to say is WOW Andy > about one week ago I tried to start my truck. nothing it just clicked > .so i put some dry gas in and heated the truck up and nothing so i [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > stalled out now my cel stays on and blinks still when it feel like its > starving for gas its a 98 dodge dakota 3.9 2wd thanks |
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