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B3500 bumper tow capacity?

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motorpsychol@gmail.com - 04 Jan 2006 21:24 GMT
I have a 94 Dodge Van, B3500. I believe it's like the 15 passenger
version.

It runs off CNG, and I believe the tanks are too big to mount a frame
hitch.

So now my question is.. I want to tow several (450-500 pound)
motorcycles about 600 miles to bike week.  what's my best configuration
and how heavy of a trailer can I tow from the bumper?

rear seats are gone. Should I load two bikes in the back?  or just tow?

And then how much weight can i expect the bumper to pull without
damage/risk ?
TheSnoMan - 04 Jan 2006 21:45 GMT
> I have a 94 Dodge Van, B3500. I believe it's like the 15 passenger
> version.
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> And then how much weight can i expect the bumper to pull without
> damage/risk ?

Given the long overhang of rear end past axle, It is not a good towing
platform and I would limit tongue weight to about 300lbs or so and
trailer to about 3000lbs max too for safty and stabilty reasons.

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motorpsychol@gmail.com - 04 Jan 2006 22:12 GMT
Thanks!  I found that the van came with  a manual! (duh on me).

It recommends 2000 pounds from the bumper.   The rear doesn't hang too
far away from the backwheel. I measured around 31 inches from center of
the rear hub to the ball on the bumper  (not straght to the ball mind
you, but if the ball were mounted say on the right corner of the bumper
and i measuered there to the axle).  It's not one of those vans that
has like 4 feet hanging behind the rear wheel.

So I'm figured I can tow  about 4 bikes  for a total of under  2000
pounds... with 200-300 tongue weight...

now I'm thinkng I should be able to put two more bikes in the back, if
they're at around 400 pounds each.

So it looks like i can take 6 bikes.

Anyone see a problem with this setup ?    Originially I was thinkng
open trailer.. would there be any benefits to using an enclosed
trailer?

I'm used to using regular hitches, is there anything to else to
consider using a bumpber hitch? less rearward turn angle?
Tom Lawrence - 04 Jan 2006 23:19 GMT
> I'm used to using regular hitches, is there anything to else to
> consider using a bumpber hitch? less rearward turn angle?

Yep...  I can always tell the vehicles that tow from the bumper...  they're
the ones with the two dents on either side of the license plate  :)

Try and use a trailer with a straight tongue, instead of a 'V' that joins at
the coupler.  This will increase your turning radius.
TheSnoMan - 04 Jan 2006 23:25 GMT
> Thanks!  I found that the van came with  a manual! (duh on me).
>
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> I'm used to using regular hitches, is there anything to else to
> consider using a bumpber hitch? less rearward turn angle?

A enclosed triler might actually have a bit less drag if it is not
taller than van as the open bikes will cause a lot of drage and a
enclosed trailer will also protech them from elements too and a theft
deterent as well.

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Alex - 05 Jan 2006 02:15 GMT
Before you bunper tow, price a class three hitch.  They are not very
expensive, not hard to put on.  You are towing bikes that total what in
value?

>I have a 94 Dodge Van, B3500. I believe it's like the 15 passenger
> version.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> And then how much weight can i expect the bumper to pull without
> damage/risk ?
Tom Lawrence - 05 Jan 2006 02:31 GMT
> Before you bunper tow, price a class three hitch.

He already said he can't fit a hitch because of the CNG tank.
JPH - 05 Jan 2006 03:51 GMT
>>Before you bunper tow, price a class three hitch.
>
> He already said he can't fit a hitch because of the CNG tank.

No, he just said he doesn't believe he can fit a frame hitch, not that
he definitely can't fit one. "It runs off CNG, and I believe the tanks
are too big to mount a frame hitch."
If he checks the dimensions he might find one that fits.
motorpsychol@gmail.com - 05 Jan 2006 04:06 GMT
I double checked.. the tanks aren't in the way of the frame rails but
the control valves are mounted to the frame.   I suppose I'll take it
to a trailer place and see if they can mount a frame hitch...

if they can, that will give me a lot more tow capacity.. woohoo!  :)

thanks all for your help!

ps average bike value.. probably about $5500 :)
TheSnoMan - 05 Jan 2006 16:42 GMT
>>> Before you bunper tow, price a class three hitch.
>>
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> are too big to mount a frame hitch."
> If he checks the dimensions he might find one that fits.

I guessyou have not seen a CNG tank installation. It will need a custom
made hitch to be able to install one because of size and mounting of tanks.

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JPH - 06 Jan 2006 02:17 GMT
>>>> Before you bunper tow, price a class three hitch.
>>>
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> I guessyou have not seen a CNG tank installation. It will need a custom
> made hitch to be able to install one because of size and mounting of tanks.

Yes, I have. That's why I said if he checks the dimensions he might find
one that fits. Different companies install CNG with different
clearances. A lot depends on the size of the tanks and how they're
mounted. Different hitch manufacturers also create hitches with
different ways of frame mounting and dimensions. Can't rule out a frame
hitch without taking measurements. Or, as you say, possibly a custom hitch.
Alex - 05 Jan 2006 05:27 GMT
You wouldn't Tom and that's fine.  Motorpsychol may not and that's his call.
I would find a good welding shop and find a way to install a frame mounted
hitch.  Aren't differing opinions interesting?

>> Before you bunper tow, price a class three hitch.
>
> He already said he can't fit a hitch because of the CNG tank.
motorpsychol@gmail.com - 05 Jan 2006 06:42 GMT
Hmm I never thought about that..    good idea!  

thanks
 
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