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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / January 2006

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89 Dodge Ram Idles Rough

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Nichrosey - 15 Jan 2006 06:29 GMT
I have an 89 Dodge Ram.  I put in a new engine, computer, injectors, the
works.  I disconnected the EGR valve and plugged the vacuum line going to it,
upon installing the new engine.   Ran fine for a year.  Now it idles fine
sometimes, but has occasional surges.  Have replaced distibuter cap,
sparkplugs and didn't help?
I have duel exhaust, and it sounds like the drivers side is coughing
sometimes.  Also, there is no engine light on?  Any help would be great.
Budd Cochran - 15 Jan 2006 22:31 GMT
How many miles on it?

Which engine?

Why did you plug the EGR? This actually could be whole the problem if the
EGR is leaking exhaust into the intake at idle rpm.

Budd

>I have an 89 Dodge Ram.  I put in a new engine, computer, injectors, the
> works.  I disconnected the EGR valve and plugged the vacuum line going to
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I have duel exhaust, and it sounds like the drivers side is coughing
> sometimes.  Also, there is no engine light on?  Any help would be great.
Nichrosey - 16 Jan 2006 04:18 GMT
It's a professionally rebuilt 318, with 3,000 miles at most.  The truck has
like 89,000 on it.  I plugged the EGR valve because I questioned if it was
working, and it ran fine plugged.  A mechanic friend of mine said it would be
fine, and it is not needed.  But, I'm sure he could have been mistaken.
Still unsure.
Rachel Easson - 18 Jan 2006 17:54 GMT
i have a 74, 81, 86, 86, and had a 90 ram

if your mechanic didn't plug the egr, he might not have plugged other
parts -- or removed them for installation -- may have removed the engine
light or simply unplugged it (check behind the dash facing) -- so that you
would not get any indications of problems
definitely i would suspect the egr first, to egr amplifier, to egr solenoid,
ccegr if equipped also goes from egr then to amplifier which goes to carb
(so does solenoid) so look for hookups

if not,
i suspect you have done a lot of these things already -- not to insult your
intelligence but sometimes we forget the obvious, and you probably know how
to test (meters and guages not idiot light) but some readers may want to
know:

if you do not have a plastic tank, see if it runs smoother with more gas in
the tank -- could be sludge -- if this fixes the problem you are lucky --  
clean out the carb and keep enough gas in it until spring then clean out
your tank and check sending unit
check the plugs for oil buildup, other diagnostic problems such as
mechanical damage -- which could indicate motor not done right
pcv valve
old also be the carb -- you have probably adjusted the curb and fast idling
but check choke /carb springs work properly and none are missing -- holes or
places for spings that are not attached to springs, (take off top half,
check gasket, and clean -- holley 6280? -- check air temp sensor plugged in
and grounded), choke, temp guage, o2 sensor, fuel filter, fuel pump
(presuure problem?), gas filter, air filter or other components on the
intake portion of air filter pan, coil -- there are so many things

thermostat? put in boiling water -- it should open

check for vacuum leaks-- look for old hose, and make sure all hoses
connected properly, then if good, wd40 sections of hose at a time (which
temporarily seals a leak), and listen to the idling -- if it improves you
have found a leak, if nothing seems faulty here, get a tester/guage and
check anyway -- very common cause of idling rough

do you smell gas when it runs rough or does it seem to be choking from lack
of oxygen -- , fuel pump or could even be gas line?

if it idles rough, could also be timing -- check with timing light -- mark
with white pencil and look for slippage
could be distributor too -- you know to check firing order first before
removal of old one, then start with replacing the cap and rotor -- and do
the wires at the same time for good measure -- you will know to check at
night first and look for any sparks -- if yes, those wires are bad. keep the
ones in good shape in case you need one in a pinch,  and if you decide to
remove the distributor scribe or use a white pencil to mark the alignment
between the number one on cap and base so you can easily find
top-dead-centre later

best of luck

rachel

> It's a professionally rebuilt 318, with 3,000 miles at most.  The truck
> has
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> fine, and it is not needed.  But, I'm sure he could have been mistaken.
> Still unsure.
JD - 18 Jan 2006 19:46 GMT
> i have a 74, 81, 86, 86, and had a 90 ram
>
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>> fine, and it is not needed.  But, I'm sure he could have been
>> mistaken. Still unsure.

Rachel, impressive mechanical knowledge.  Are you a female?
Rachel Easson - 19 Jan 2006 15:22 GMT
> Rachel, impressive mechanical knowledge.  Are you a female?

i hope so (LOL)

i've just had a LOT of similar problems and no money and always tried to
learn what i can (actually music degree, but i joke around that i have
honourary degrees in beer and sex!) -- lots of time though

i don't know a lot but am not too bad with stuff i can get at and picked up
a few things:
divorced my 1st husband (mechanic, chronic alcoholic) and yeah we get along
well with 2500 miles between us and a 10 yr old son
then i lived common-law with my next hubby (used auto parts manager for 18
yrs) converted me to dodge -- then died of heart attack at 46 -- family got
the mint 1970 440 chrysler300 -- i dug my heels in over the impact tools,
etc

i have consolidated down to 7 dodges, a 1.6L 76 vw vanagon, and a long box
350 gmc 2500 body shot -- soon to become a trailer complete with 2 axles,
electric brakes, and the 350 motor so i can still drive the trailer around
my acre but take it out to fetch the odd thing -- quebec safeties are 200
point check but i will only have to fit new brakes and make it look good for
a trailer licence
i am taking an oxy-acetylene course so i know how to safely use our torches
before i start cutting &/or welding on 8 vehicles come spring
JD - 19 Jan 2006 20:41 GMT
>> Rachel, impressive mechanical knowledge.  Are you a female?
>
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> i am taking an oxy-acetylene course so i know how to safely use our
> torches before i start cutting &/or welding on 8 vehicles come spring

wow, you're the coolest lady I've ever ran across.  Will you marry me?  :-)  
So you're making a neat utility vehicle out of your GMC?  Beats paying
$9000 for one made by Kawasaki or Polaris that only has 25hp.  Are you
removing the cab?  While leaving the engine/tranny, driveshaft?  I guess a
jumpseat with a crude roll cage would suffice.  It would be sort of like
the old Amry mules, but a lot bigger.  

http://www.olive-drab.com/images/id_m274_full.jpg
Rachel Easson - 19 Jan 2006 23:21 GMT
> So you're making a neat utility vehicle out of your [long box] GMC?  Beats
> ...  It would be sort of like
> the old Amry mules, but a lot bigger.
>
> http://www.olive-drab.com/images/id_m274_full.jpg

i love the mule but don't need it legal -- quebec is too tough for licenced
vehicles but not bad on licencing trailers -- just have to weld up a proper
front end and prove you own it (still have ontario ownership and owned it in
alberta since 1999, old trusty rusty)

i know what i want to do -- the rest will be just fun to figure out -- why
not?

keep it looking like a gm van might be whimically funny for towing my dodges
(LOL)

i will leave what i don't need to remove because it won't be on the road
much, weight is not an issue too much unless it is wasted weight, but i will
keep minimal sides on it
i had toyed with the idea of either adding custom reinforced loading rams
that extend and fold up to accomodate the length of a ram, or, hydraulic
bed -- my totally francophone neighbour with a heart of gold made his own
hydraulic log splitter equivalent to $3000 models and has already repaired
it one -- could get the knowhow from him -- i am welding up a trailer from
my 91 dakota parts truck bed -- and see if that is feasible later on this
summer after the functionality and bed are made and the trailer is passed
;-)

it would be cool to have something for construction as well and not have to
modify the cab area too much -- hoist up materials for the house which still
needs siding; haul out logs from the forest -- which you can do for free
here with a 4x4 and winch, because i live in the styx -- where else can you
buy 1 acre with 2bdrm bungalow, well, septic and mountain views for under
40k cdn?

p.s. if you married me you might die too -- these things they say come in
threes! (LOL)
Rachel Easson - 19 Jan 2006 23:37 GMT
"Rachel Easson" wrote in message
> ... made his own hydraulic log splitter ... and has already repaired it
> one

i meant onCe

> i am welding up a trailer from my 91 dakota parts truck bed

i meant i am making up one FOR him (he has fed my shepherd for a month now
while i am stuck in town and doesn't weld)

sorry
JD - 20 Jan 2006 22:03 GMT
> it would be cool to have something for construction as well and not
> have to modify the cab area too much -- hoist up materials for the
> house which still needs siding; haul out logs from the forest -- which
> you can do for free here with a 4x4 and winch, because i live in the
> styx -- where else can you buy 1 acre with 2bdrm bungalow, well,
> septic and mountain views for under 40k cdn?

That's a great price.  My father has 5 acres that were only like 7K USA
but  his land is in the desert -- Southwest USA, Arizona.  But it's
beautiful land and has views of distant mountain ranges.  He has a cabin
and an Airstream trailer and a shop and a shed.  He has a water tank
mounted on a trailer that he takes to town to fill up.  Gravity forces
the water down into his structures (has a small water tower).  Then he
has a cell phone for a phone and uses solar panels for power, with a
bank of batteries to hold the spare juice for nighttime use.  He's a
mechanic and loves old mopars (old ones without computers and fuel
injection).  He has 2 slant 6 powered vehicles -- an '80's Dodge 1/2 ton
truck, and a Dodge Dart wagon.  He also has an old Toyota diesel truck.  

So the vehicle you're making into a utility trailer is a van?  I guess
you could weld in some tubular steel for support if you cut the
sheetmetal down the side (if it needs it).  Sounds interesting.  You
should make up a Geocities homepage with a few pics of it when you're
done.  I'd like to see your mechanical creation.
JD - 19 Jan 2006 20:22 GMT
> It's a professionally rebuilt 318, with 3,000 miles at most.  The
> truck has like 89,000 on it.  I plugged the EGR valve because I
> questioned if it was working, and it ran fine plugged.  A mechanic
> friend of mine said it would be fine, and it is not needed.  But, I'm
> sure he could have been mistaken. Still unsure.

Definition: The EGR valve is the main emissions control component in the
exhaust gas recirculation system. The valve is located on the intake
manifold, and opens a small passageway between the exhaust and intake
manifold to allow a metered amount of exhaust to flow back into the
engine. This reduces combustion temperatures and helps control the
formation of oxides of nitrogen. The EGR valve is opened by the
application of vacuum to its control diaphragm. Some also require a
certain amount of exhaust back pressure before they'll open. On newer
vehicles, the valve is electronic and uses one or more solenoids or a
small stepper motor. The valve should remain closed while the engine is
cold and at idle. It should only open once the engine has warmed up and
is running at part-throttle. If the valve sticks shut (or is
disconnected), NOX emissions will soar and detonation will often result
(See Detonation and Spark Knock). If it sticks in the open position or
fails to close all the way, it acts like a vacuum leak resulting in a
rough idle, hesitation and possible stalling.
 
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