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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / January 2006

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Engine light 01 Dakota

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ninebal310@aol.com - 25 Jan 2006 05:04 GMT
I had the local Auto Zone run a check on it. They said it was a code
p0161 which means: O2 sensor Heater circuit malfunction (bank 2 sensor
2).

They said it was the O2 sensor that is behind the Catalyctic converter.
Well, there is no sensor behind or aft of the converter. So, which one
is it? I have 2 sensors on the exhaust system. One on each side (bank)
before it joins into one pipe before the converter. Are they both the
same sensor?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Hank <~~~~totally confused by todays electronics
The Reverend Natural Light - 25 Jan 2006 16:23 GMT
Ask the autoparts store.  They're probably the same part number.  Buy
one.  Trial and error.

Or replace both.

-rev
ninebal310@aol.com - 26 Jan 2006 12:20 GMT
Rev writes:
Ask the autoparts store.  They're probably the same part number.  Buy
one.  Trial and error.

Or replace both.

-rev

I could do this for sure, but I am from the school of finding out what
is truly wrong and how to fix it.

Thanks anyway,

Hank <~~~not a parts changer
The Reverend Natural Light - 26 Jan 2006 16:13 GMT
You know that one of the two sensors is bad.  You can spend hours
tracking down the error code to determine which one of the two is bad.
Or you can replace one.  If it doesn't fix it, put the old one back in
and replace the other one.

Or, since you're probably 100k miles past the reasonable service life
of a thin platinum wire that lives in the exhaust stream, you can just
replace both and move on to something more interesting.

-rev  <~~~parts changer who's time is worth more than a $25 sensor
ninebal310@aol.com - 26 Jan 2006 19:09 GMT
Rev writes:
You know that one of the two sensors is bad.  You can spend hours
tracking down the error code to determine which one of the two is bad.
Or you can replace one.  If it doesn't fix it, put the old one back in
and replace the other one.

Or, since you're probably 100k miles past the reasonable service life
of a thin platinum wire that lives in the exhaust stream, you can just
replace both and move on to something more interesting.

-rev  <~~~parts changer who's time is worth more than a $25 sensor

Ninebal310 responds with:

First, let me apologize if I offended you.

Second, since I am not sure either sensor is bad (since the diagnostic
readout says it is the post-cat sensor, and I don't have a post-cat
sensor) I don't want to replace or waste my time replacing one or both.

Third, the motor only has 38k miles. I bought it new, so I know that is
true.

Fourth, the sensor that the diagnostics says is bad costs $139.00 not
$25.00.

Fifth, this is a learning experience for me.

Sixth, Thanks for your response.

Hank <~~has more time than money and loves to learn
TBone - 25 Jan 2006 16:47 GMT
Are you sure that there is no sensor behind the converter.  It could be on
top of the pipe and sometimes it is actually on the very tail of the
converter itself (again on the top).

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> I had the local Auto Zone run a check on it. They said it was a code
> p0161 which means: O2 sensor Heater circuit malfunction (bank 2 sensor
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>
> Hank <~~~~totally confused by todays electronics
ninebal310@aol.com - 26 Jan 2006 12:17 GMT
Tbone Writes:
Are you sure that there is no sensor behind the converter.  It could be
on
top of the pipe and sometimes it is actually on the very tail of the
converter itself (again on the top).

Yes, I am sure. I have "cat-back" dual exhaust. But thanks for asking.

Has anybody tried the "sensor imitator". I guess it is suppose to ACT
like the O2 sensor, but isn't. If you have tried it, does it work?

Also, what happens if you just disconnect the sensor? Is there a way to
test the sensor?

Thanks,

Hank
TBone - 26 Jan 2006 16:10 GMT
If you say so but that really doesn't make sense.  The error code you are
getting indicates a post converter sensor so your vehicle thinks it is or
was there.  Bank 2 IIRC refers to the passenger side and sensor 2 refers to
the downstream sensor or post converter.  Without a sensor behind or
attached to the converter, how does the PCM know if the converter is
functioning properly?  Where did you get this cat-back dual exhaust?  If you
disconnect either sensor, you will get additional diag codes.  You could try
replacing the passenger side sensor but I doubt that it will correct the
problem.  When did the light come on in relation to your installation of
your dual exhaust?  I would also take another look at that converter for
that sensor.

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> Tbone Writes:
> Are you sure that there is no sensor behind the converter.  It could be
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>
> Hank
ninebal310@aol.com - 26 Jan 2006 18:59 GMT
Tbone writes:
If you say so but that really doesn't make sense.  The error code you
are
getting indicates a post converter sensor so your vehicle thinks it is
or
was there.  Bank 2 IIRC refers to the passenger side and sensor 2
refers to
the downstream sensor or post converter.  Without a sensor behind or
attached to the converter, how does the PCM know if the converter is
functioning properly?  Where did you get this cat-back dual exhaust?
If you
disconnect either sensor, you will get additional diag codes.  You
could try
replacing the passenger side sensor but I doubt that it will correct
the
problem.  When did the light come on in relation to your installation
of
your dual exhaust?  I would also take another look at that converter
for
that sensor.

--
I agree that it doesn't make sense. I had the Cat-back exhaust put on
about a year ago. The light didn't come on until the last month. The
truck only has 38K miles on it. I installed new Bosch Platinum plugs
also. But that was AFTER the light came on.

I have the 4.7 V-8. 2001 Dakota SLT. Is there a web site or anybody
that can tell me that it definately came with a post cat. sensor? If it
did, why so long for the light to come on? I am soooooooo confused.
:-)

I will crawl under it again and check for any wiring, plugs or sensor.
I have made mistakes in the past, just not many.....LOL.

Thanks

Hank <~~~easily confused
ninebal310@aol.com - 27 Jan 2006 22:16 GMT
Tbone writes:
Are you sure that there is no sensor behind the converter.  It could be
on
top of the pipe and sometimes it is actually on the very tail of the
converter itself (again on the top).

I checked again. There is no sensor on or behind the cat. The original
exhaust extends 3 feet past the cat before the duals split. I even
checked for any type of wiring that may have been there before, no
wiring.

If I get time next week, I may end up taking it in. I hate to do
this....LOL

Thanks again,

Hank <~~~Hates lawyers more than dealerships
 
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